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pjcowley    0
4 hours ago, Jazzy Jan said:

Imagine those wonderful drag queens of Priscilla fixing up those stupid women in that advert and the conservative politicians! 

Lighting their tampon and blowing their box apart because that's the only BANG they're ever gonna get ... wouldn't be a bad idea on them

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Leebf    0

Its disgusting. I am over the whole "campaign" its bullshit to have a campaing on whether or not we should give people the same rights as everyone else. 

The no campainers who are labled biggots claim they are being bullied because they don't believe in equal rights and people are claiming this bullying to vote yes is making them vote no.

Now the PM has said a no vote would mean no equal marriage rights whilst they are in government. So there is no guarantee a yes vote will even mean equal marriage rights.

Now there are reports of votes being thrown out instead of being posted and there is to be a straight lives matter rally nextto a gay holocaust memorial.

This is just sick and i am over the whole "vote". This country really is a racist bigoted backwards redneck country and i am ashamed to be from here.

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Jazzy Jan    0
2 minutes ago, Leebf said:

Its disgusting. I am over the whole "campaign" its bullshit to have a campaing on whether or not we should give people the same rights as everyone else. 

The no campainers who are labled biggots claim they are being bullied because they don't believe in equal rights and people are claiming this bullying to vote yes is making them vote no.

Now the PM has said a no vote would mean no equal marriage rights whilst they are in government. So there is no guarantee a yes vote will even mean equal marriage rights.

Now there are reports of votes being thrown out instead of being posted and there is to be a straight lives matter rally nextto a gay holocaust memorial.

This is just sick and i am over the whole "vote". This country really is a racist bigoted backwards redneck country and i am ashamed to be from here.

Leebf, this campaign has disgusted me.  The no campaigners are some of the most hateful people I have witnessed with what they are claiming.   Some of their stunts are appalling and they are forever complaining about being bullied on religious grounds.  I dread to think what the world thinks of Australians due to them. They are making so many false claims and getting too much attention. 

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MeakMaker    0
1 hour ago, Jazzy Jan said:

Leebf, this campaign has disgusted me.  The no campaigners are some of the most hateful people I have witnessed with what they are claiming.   Some of their stunts are appalling and they are forever complaining about being bullied on religious grounds.  I dread to think what the world thinks of Australians due to them. They are making so many false claims and getting too much attention. 

Don't worry Jazzy. The world will think no more different than they did with the USA viaTrump and with the UK via Brexit. France was close with Le Pen and many western countries are now at a crossroad. In Europe far right/ fascist/ Nazi movements are still on the rise;  Australia is just a part of this insane picture. Of course liberals in the world will condemn it if the no vote wins but anybody else will use it as an example to start reforming our laws so gay marriages are illegal.

 The problem I have is that many gay people are actually supporting far right - nationalist parties so I guess if these disgusting movements/political parties can brainwash gay people into believing in hate and division and supremacy then the average person will be easier to be manipulated. 

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Leebf    0

Yes it is a horrible voting process and i am over hearing how people don'tget why voting no even for religious grounds is just wrong and hateful. Why should another group of people get to decide how another group of people get to live theor lives.

People keep saying to just rely on defacto relationship for protection but we do not have the same rights and automatic protection should your partner die.

Last year an newlywed English couple had a tragic death whilst on their honeymoon andthe husband had to get his deceased husband's parents to allow him to be next of kin as our law didn't recognise him as next of kin.

This is why equality is needed.

Then you have people who throw away voting forms to try and have thevote go the no way. Just makes me sick plus the straight rally i mentioned at a gay memorial site is just wrong. This is just giving the opportunity to people to be biggots and claim freedom of speech or religious freedom allows them to spew hate.

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-09-19/ssm-surveys-dumped-in-brunswick-garden-raise-security-concerns/8961044?pfmredir=sm

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/gay-marriage/far-right-nationalist-party-for-freedom-to-hold-straight-lives-matter-antisamesex-marriage-rally/news-story/23808028e7150ce7d1bb2e8e1eb148d0

 

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runa    0

Postal vote on such an important issue seems very strange and weird to me. This is such a curious and ineffective democratic process. 

It has been proved many time that, in a referendum, it depends less on the true balance of public opinion and more on which side has the more energized supporters. If the idea is to let the people decide, the truth is that minority opinions can easily speak louder and get more vote. 

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VogueMusic    0
4 hours ago, Leebf said:

Yes it is a horrible voting process and i am over hearing how people don'tget why voting no even for religious grounds is just wrong and hateful. Why should another group of people get to decide how another group of people get to live theor lives.

People keep saying to just rely on defacto relationship for protection but we do not have the same rights and automatic protection should your partner die.

Last year an newlywed English couple had a tragic death whilst on their honeymoon andthe husband had to get his deceased husband's parents to allow him to be next of kin as our law didn't recognise him as next of kin.

This is why equality is needed.

Then you have people who throw away voting forms to try and have thevote go the no way. Just makes me sick plus the straight rally i mentioned at a gay memorial site is just wrong. This is just giving the opportunity to people to be biggots and claim freedom of speech or religious freedom allows them to spew hate.

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-09-19/ssm-surveys-dumped-in-brunswick-garden-raise-security-concerns/8961044?pfmredir=sm

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/gay-marriage/far-right-nationalist-party-for-freedom-to-hold-straight-lives-matter-antisamesex-marriage-rally/news-story/23808028e7150ce7d1bb2e8e1eb148d0

 

Just like the theocratic, neofascist US...

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This is beyond ridiculous, tired, yet unfortunately quite similar and very possibly an effective pattern of what we've seen before. Very similar vibes here of Prop 8 in CA. :/ Trends ain't looking good. Everyone basically assumed it's CA so 'how' could that garbage pass? Yes, it ALL came down to last minute momentum, right wing groups obsessing 24/7 on it, organization, propaganda to sway/change the GP (people who are indifferent, soft yes voters, or basically supportive but still easily swayed based on a f'king commercial lol)  

For things like this and other social related elections, candidates, votes etc...these far right self loathing shit bags almost always get their bigots out mob style. While the other side is complacent, lazy etc...Just like Brexit, Trump, Prop 8 and now maybe Australia. Sorry, but the worldwide far right 'trend' that started around 2014/15 after serious momentum of progress hasn't come close to dying its well overdue death yet. Beyond obvious there's still some serious backlash to the social changes that happened w.w in 2010-14 or so. Angry, hateful, bigoted white man last stand here. They're going balls out. Beyond flabbergasted in 2017 this shit is happening in Australia of all places! 10 years ago easily would've believed Australia would've had marriage equality before the US! To think if one liberal Supreme Court justice croaks (RBG) very good chance it gets overturned in the US! Couldn't be more clear Aus is like the US to what NZ is to Canada. 

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Let's face it, most of these things end at a supreme court anyway. And I don't remember a ruling in the last years that was not in favor of marriage equality. Sometimes justice is blind or in this case has no sexual orientation. The point is, laws are made to protect the people and before the law all citizens are equal. At least in modern, enlightened societies. The fact that some governments want to limit certain rights to a certain group of people is unlawful as it gets. It has always been but it has never been challenged until two decades now. Most certainly because there were still laws that were much more harmful for gays. If being gay could result in prison time, marriage equality is not on your mind. And it usually needs a supreme court ruling anyway if a government or parliament is hesitant to vote on it out of fear to lose some votes from conservative people. For the simple bureaucratic act that a supreme court ruling is binding for all courts in the land. A ruling there, basically becomes law. And I suppose it will end there in Australia too. The unfortunate thing is that the damage is done and Australias reputation has suffered immensely. I mean, it's kinda surreal. Some time ago when someone would have asked me which countries I consider the most open minded, Australia would have been in my Top 3, next to Canada and The Netherlands.

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20 hours ago, Raider of the lost Ark said:

Let's face it, most of these things end at a supreme court anyway. And I don't remember a ruling in the last years that was not in favor of marriage equality. Sometimes justice is blind or in this case has no sexual orientation. The point is, laws are made to protect the people and before the law all citizens are equal. At least in modern, enlightened societies. The fact that some governments want to limit certain rights to a certain group of people is unlawful as it gets. It has always been but it has never been challenged until two decades now. Most certainly because there were still laws that were much more harmful for gays. If being gay could result in prison time, marriage equality is not on your mind. And it usually needs a supreme court ruling anyway if a government or parliament is hesitant to vote on it out of fear to lose some votes from conservative people. For the simple bureaucratic act that a supreme court ruling is binding for all courts in the land. A ruling there, basically becomes law. And I suppose it will end there in Australia too. The unfortunate thing is that the damage is done and Australias reputation has suffered immensely. I mean, it's kinda surreal. Some time ago when someone would have asked me which countries I consider the most open minded, Australia would have been in my Top 3, next to Canada and The Netherlands.

Absolutely. New Zealand (which has it since 2013) is another place I would have def added to the top 5 10 years ago. Spain too. Like I said yesterday, beyond perplexed..still that the f'king US (even though they barely squeaked it through) has marriage quality (for now lol) and NOT Australia! Aside from third world countries, Middle East etc..in the modern western world the anti gay right wing mafia machine in the US is the worst and will NOT attempt to end their mission until legal gay marriage is overturned. Of course they'll continue to be a few groups everywhere w.w. else who are against it or are not 'pro' gay marriage but (like Merkel in Germany) majority move on and/or truly don't give a shit. They most def still do in the US

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On 9/20/2017 at 2:47 PM, Raider of the lost Ark said:

Let's face it, most of these things end at a supreme court anyway. And I don't remember a ruling in the last years that was not in favor of marriage equality. Sometimes justice is blind or in this case has no sexual orientation. The point is, laws are made to protect the people and before the law all citizens are equal. At least in modern, enlightened societies. The fact that some governments want to limit certain rights to a certain group of people is unlawful as it gets. It has always been but it has never been challenged until two decades now. Most certainly because there were still laws that were much more harmful for gays. If being gay could result in prison time, marriage equality is not on your mind. And it usually needs a supreme court ruling anyway if a government or parliament is hesitant to vote on it out of fear to lose some votes from conservative people. For the simple bureaucratic act that a supreme court ruling is binding for all courts in the land. A ruling there, basically becomes law. And I suppose it will end there in Australia too. The unfortunate thing is that the damage is done and Australias reputation has suffered immensely. I mean, it's kinda surreal. Some time ago when someone would have asked me which countries I consider the most open minded, Australia would have been in my Top 3, next to Canada and The Netherlands.

From what I understand (the Australians here can correct me if I'm wrong), the Australian Constitution does not have the same Bill of Rights, guarantees of individual freedom and equal protection of the laws as the US Constitution does. Therefore that makes it much more difficult if not impossible to challenge the gay marriage ban in the Supreme Court as was done in the US. If in the US we had to rely on our legislators to approve of gay marriage, we wouldn't have it either! 

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