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Skin    0
1 minute ago, Hector said:

Birds of a feather ...

 

EW!!!

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2 hours ago, Roland Barthes said:

I'm sorry if Gaga keeps popping up here but the matter of fact is that the media are not going hard on Gaga as much as they do on Swshit when EVERYTHING they write against Swshit is what Gaga is and does and that really pisses me off. Gaga comes from an even more priviledged background. Maybe we don't care as much for Taylor in europe because she really is not a big deal and not pushed down our throats like she is in the us and australia apparently (hi Jan sweetie <3) because she really isn't. At least gaga was something here around 2009/2011. Taylor ? Never. I think she's this generation's Janet in terms of popularity within VS outside the USA.

 

To widen the conversation what about today's pop stars being from super wealthy backgrounds like Swift, Gaga and Sheeran ? Our heroes came from broken homes, difficult childhood and poverty, compare these 3 to Michael's, Prince's and Madonna's background (not even talking about Bowie, the Beatles, Kurt Cobain, 2pac, Mary j. blige and even Mariah). It shows in their art and passion. Even Beyonce grew up in wealth even though her father was a crook he provided large (remember her early declaration comparing her background favourably to the ones of the Jacksons that was totally inappropriate and mean ?). These popstars are pushed by their parents who were more than supportive (as if they are living their dreams through their kids). Madonna could sing "Live to tell" or "Oh father" because it was coming from a place of hurt. Their backgrounds is also what drew a lot of people to these pop stars. Now they are resumed to unearth a dead aunt they did not even know to playing the victim of nasty games they intrigued in the first place (there's a name for that : narcissistic perversion). these popstars don't make us dream because they remind us that we live in the 1% world and not the american dream symbolized by Prince, Michael and Madonna. These 3 became the biggest popstars not only because of their talents but because they overcame so many boundaries to get where they were. Prince was height challenged, too feminine and from a place where blacks and black music was non existent. Michael broke the walls of colour and Madonna was a woman IN CHARGE of her destiny. These things we take for granted today were totally broken by these 3. Prince and Michael managed to be played on white radios and Madonna on urban ones. Michael and Prince were no machos in the way they presented themselves, of course Bowie gave the first hit on these walls but he was english and in America his extravagances were seen as a british thing. Madonna, Prince and Michael changed the way pop music treated gender, sex, colours because they were hungry, because they had no back up. Michael suffered at the hands of his father to get his family out of poverty. Prince was abandonned by both his mother and father in his teens. He waited hours outside his father's house to let him back in, he said that was the last time he cried. His father did not let him back in and he went to live at friend's. Madonna lost her mother at 5 and according to her brother they grew up in a family that was not loving, not that her father was mean but he was cold and siblings were rivals for his attention. She also had to fight the dogmas that were pushed on her, belittling her because she was female in a catholic home. The role she was supposed to play was not what she aspired to. All this transfered into their art because they lived and still struggled with it. 

boy,Roland Barthes indeed :inlove::inlove::inlove::inlove:

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What a bunch of floppy gays.  Especially thinking a part of the video is shade toward Madonna.  Dumbasses.  

 

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1 hour ago, Skin said:

What a bunch of floppy gays.  Especially thinking a part of the video is shade toward Madonna.  Dumbasses.  

 

I didn't notice any shade toward Madonna, but one of them did say M came for TS, which isn't true. That one guy also thinks every single shot is a takedown of another female (Britney, Beyonce, etc.). Silly gays.

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1 minute ago, vocalism said:

I didn't notice any shade toward Madonna, but one of them did say M came for TS, which isn't true. That one guy also thinks every single shot is a takedown of another female (Britney, Beyonce, etc.). Silly gays.

One of them says she is coming for Madonna and one asks why would she come for Madonna and the other one says cause Madonna came for her.  

It just ticked me off cause we are in the era where people just spout shit that isn't even close to the truth. 

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Those reaction videos are silly, way too self-important with nothing significant to contribute.

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3 hours ago, Roland Barthes said:

I'm sorry if Gaga keeps popping up here but the matter of fact is that the media are not going hard on Gaga as much as they do on Swshit when EVERYTHING they write against Swshit is what Gaga is and does and that really pisses me off. Gaga comes from an even more priviledged background. Maybe we don't care as much for Taylor in europe because she really is not a big deal and not pushed down our throats like she is in the us and australia apparently (hi Jan sweetie <3) because she really isn't. At least gaga was something here around 2009/2011. Taylor ? Never. I think she's this generation's Janet in terms of popularity within VS outside the USA.

 

To widen the conversation what about today's pop stars being from super wealthy backgrounds like Swift, Gaga and Sheeran ? Our heroes came from broken homes, difficult childhood and poverty, compare these 3 to Michael's, Prince's and Madonna's background (not even talking about Bowie, the Beatles, Kurt Cobain, 2pac, Mary j. blige and even Mariah). It shows in their art and passion. Even Beyonce grew up in wealth even though her father was a crook he provided large (remember her early declaration comparing her background favourably to the ones of the Jacksons that was totally inappropriate and mean ?). These popstars are pushed by their parents who were more than supportive (as if they are living their dreams through their kids). Madonna could sing "Live to tell" or "Oh father" because it was coming from a place of hurt. Their backgrounds is also what drew a lot of people to these pop stars. Now they are resumed to unearth a dead aunt they did not even know to playing the victim of nasty games they intrigued in the first place (there's a name for that : narcissistic perversion). these popstars don't make us dream because they remind us that we live in the 1% world and not the american dream symbolized by Prince, Michael and Madonna. These 3 became the biggest popstars not only because of their talents but because they overcame so many boundaries to get where they were. Prince was height challenged, too feminine and from a place where blacks and black music was non existent. Michael broke the walls of colour and Madonna was a woman IN CHARGE of her destiny. These things we take for granted today were totally broken by these 3. Prince and Michael managed to be played on white radios and Madonna on urban ones. Michael and Prince were no machos in the way they presented themselves, of course Bowie gave the first hit on these walls but he was english and in America his extravagances were seen as a british thing. Madonna, Prince and Michael changed the way pop music treated gender, sex, colours because they were hungry, because they had no back up. Michael suffered at the hands of his father to get his family out of poverty. Prince was abandonned by both his mother and father in his teens. He waited hours outside his father's house to let him back in, he said that was the last time he cried. His father did not let him back in and he went to live at friend's. Madonna lost her mother at 5 and according to her brother they grew up in a family that was not loving, not that her father was mean but he was cold and siblings were rivals for his attention. She also had to fight the dogmas that were pushed on her, belittling her because she was female in a catholic home. The role she was supposed to play was not what she aspired to. All this transfered into their art because they lived and still struggled with it. 

Like your many good points, including class issues that are often ignored in some discussions regarding identity politics in US. Always admired Madonna who did not come from poverty, but was raised in a somewhat oppressive working class religious family where she experienced early trauma at age five. Her life story is really about overcoming many barriers & adversity that some of today's more privileged pop girls don't have to experience because she opened doors for them. I'm not saying everyone has it easy though. Most female artists have to deal with many issues that might impede their success...

Lorde is another pop girl that cracks me up a bit because she comes across so miserable in her performances, but she was raised in one of the wealthier suburbs of New Zealand! Makes me sterotype her a wannabe hipster brat even though some of her songs are very good. 

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28 minutes ago, Skin said:

One of them says she is coming for Madonna and one asks why would she come for Madonna and the other one says cause Madonna came for her.  

It just ticked me off cause we are in the era where people just spout shit that isn't even close to the truth. 

And then it becomes truth. The only connection I've ever been aware of between M and TS is Taylor saying she loved LAP and then when they performed "Ghosttown" together.

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2 hours ago, Skin said:

What a bunch of floppy gays.  Especially thinking a part of the video is shade toward Madonna.  Dumbasses.  

 

All this free time to film reaction videos... why wouldn't they use the camera for a better purpose & film some sloppy, amateur-quality pornos?

Just kidding! They're all bottoms. 

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As for Taylor, I usually refrain from commenting on her (cuz there's nothing to talk about) but I just saw the new vid.

Great cinematography, of course, but she should leave the dance breaks alone NOW AND FOREVER :rotfl: 

The song itself is tired, especially the lackluster bridge with those dusty hand-claps. & did she really rhyme "TIME" with "TIME?"

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3 hours ago, Skin said:

What a bunch of floppy gays.  Especially thinking a part of the video is shade toward Madonna.  Dumbasses.  

 

I've always found this reaction videos to be the silliest fakest thing ever, people who do them are more worried about looking (insert reaction) than giving a solid commentary. Wasn't the Filipino one the first and truest one? 

55 minutes ago, IsaacHarris said:

All this free time to film reaction videos... why wouldn't they use the camera for a better purpose & film some sloppy, amateur-quality pornos?

Just kidding! They're all bottoms. 

Exactly!!! 

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26 minutes ago, Hector said:

 

 

Love her or mock her.  For 35 years Madonna has been non stop part of the discussion. 

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I love this:

"Side note: Do you know anyone in real life who has “feuds” who isn’t utterly insufferable?"

 

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13 hours ago, Roland Barthes said:

I'm sorry if Gaga keeps popping up here but the matter of fact is that the media are not going hard on Gaga as much as they do on Swshit when EVERYTHING they write against Swshit is what Gaga is and does and that really pisses me off. Gaga comes from an even more priviledged background. Maybe we don't care as much for Taylor in europe because she really is not a big deal and not pushed down our throats like she is in the us and australia apparently (hi Jan sweetie <3) because she really isn't. At least gaga was something here around 2009/2011. Taylor ? Never. I think she's this generation's Janet in terms of popularity within VS outside the USA.

 

To widen the conversation what about today's pop stars being from super wealthy backgrounds like Swift, Gaga and Sheeran ? Our heroes came from broken homes, difficult childhood and poverty, compare these 3 to Michael's, Prince's and Madonna's background (not even talking about Bowie, the Beatles, Kurt Cobain, 2pac, Mary j. blige and even Mariah). It shows in their art and passion. Even Beyonce grew up in wealth even though her father was a crook he provided large (remember her early declaration comparing her background favourably to the ones of the Jacksons that was totally inappropriate and mean ?). These popstars are pushed by their parents who were more than supportive (as if they are living their dreams through their kids). Madonna could sing "Live to tell" or "Oh father" because it was coming from a place of hurt. Their backgrounds is also what drew a lot of people to these pop stars. Now they are resumed to unearth a dead aunt they did not even know to playing the victim of nasty games they intrigued in the first place (there's a name for that : narcissistic perversion). these popstars don't make us dream because they remind us that we live in the 1% world and not the american dream symbolized by Prince, Michael and Madonna. These 3 became the biggest popstars not only because of their talents but because they overcame so many boundaries to get where they were. Prince was height challenged, too feminine and from a place where blacks and black music was non existent. Michael broke the walls of colour and Madonna was a woman IN CHARGE of her destiny. These things we take for granted today were totally broken by these 3. Prince and Michael managed to be played on white radios and Madonna on urban ones. Michael and Prince were no machos in the way they presented themselves, of course Bowie gave the first hit on these walls but he was english and in America his extravagances were seen as a british thing. Madonna, Prince and Michael changed the way pop music treated gender, sex, colours because they were hungry, because they had no back up. Michael suffered at the hands of his father to get his family out of poverty. Prince was abandonned by both his mother and father in his teens. He waited hours outside his father's house to let him back in, he said that was the last time he cried. His father did not let him back in and he went to live at friend's. Madonna lost her mother at 5 and according to her brother they grew up in a family that was not loving, not that her father was mean but he was cold and siblings were rivals for his attention. She also had to fight the dogmas that were pushed on her, belittling her because she was female in a catholic home. The role she was supposed to play was not what she aspired to. All this transfered into their art because they lived and still struggled with it. 

Deep. I honestly love this ❤️ Another reason why I love Madonna sooo much and am proud to be her fan!

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18 hours ago, vocalism said:

I'm personally skeptical of everything in the media/blogs/etc. regardless of who it's about. There's no doubt Taylor is vindictive and catty, but I still don't see what the big deal was about the Kimye thing and nothing she's done has been anywhere near as calculatedly malicious and delusional as the things Gaga has done and said. The talk on here in recent months about how how she singlehandedly ruined Katy's career, etc. was just silly.

Skeptical is good. I'm quite the skeptic (about a lot of things)...but being so skeptical that you miss, or just refuse to see, the non-stop smoke might just get you burned. (or bitten in Taylor's case).

 

18 hours ago, Jazzy Jan said:

I know.  It seems that useless Gaga has taken over this thread.   Taylor is the most discussed pop star in the World at the moment. Everywhere people are talking about her video, her underhand ways, the lyrics of her songs etc. Love her or hate her or be indifferent to her, but she is the one princess who should be discussed at this very moment.  Yet, we have to go over and over about how much we instead prefer her to Ghastly Gaga in this thread.  :wacko:

Say it again Jazzy...   Gaga's maliciousness doesn't just turn around and negate. or lessen, Taylor's...

 

 

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13 hours ago, Hector said:

Birds of a feather ...

 

Like some of us have continually said..... :newspaper:

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8 hours ago, mnino said:

I love this:

"Side note: Do you know anyone in real life who has “feuds” who isn’t utterly insufferable?"

 

Simplistic and very true!

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17 hours ago, vocalism said:

THIS. And Katy Perry too. All of the bad press Katy got was credited to Taylor Swift on this board for some reason. The media ALWAYS goes after women for everything. But not Gaga.  :confused:

Media thinks gaga is handicapped or something, you don't make fun of special people, that's why she invents all those illnesses tbh

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3 hours ago, VogueMusic said:

Skeptical is good. I'm quite the skeptic (about a lot of things)...but being so skeptical that you miss, or just refuse to see, the non-stop smoke might just get you burned. (or bitten in Taylor's case).

 

Say it again Jazzy...   Gaga's maliciousness doesn't just turn around and negate. or lessen, Taylor's...

 

 

I mean, we're talking about pop singer gossip here. I'm not worried about getting bitten! :madgemanson:

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