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There's no conspiracy. Official numbers of the dead aren't known because simply they're not known. Barely anything is left inside the tower block and they are only guessing right now how many bodies are there. Its going to take time to accurately count the bodies. 

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No one is saying there's a dastardly conspiracy or that we should have official or final figures yet. We were saying (days ago when discussing the numbers) that they seemed way off, and they were. This is a tactic to prevent mass hysteria,

Karbatal, as a reporter himself. explained how he saw the same thing happening during the 7/7 bombings.

Like the fireman that said there were 40 odd bodies found huddled in one room (while they were officially still giving an overall number in the 50s) 

 

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http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-40389148

Camden flats: Hundreds of homes evacuated over fire risk fears

 

More than 800 homes in tower blocks on a council estate in Camden, north London, have been evacuated because of fire safety concerns. Camden Council says people in five towers on the Chalcots estate are being moved for "urgent fire safety works". The council said it was booking hotels but 80 residents are spending the night on air beds in a leisure centre.

The estate's cladding is similar to Grenfell Tower in west London, where there was a deadly fire this month. Camden Council said it will remove external thermal cladding from five tower blocks on the Chalcots estate. It also said there were concerns about "gas pipe insulation". The council initially announced the evacuation of one tower block, Taplow, but later extended the move to all five tower blocks it had checked.

Residents of the estate attended a public meeting with council officials on Thursday evening. The council leader, Labour's Georgia Gould, said the decision to evacuate the buildings was made at about 18:30 BST on Friday. She said the fire service "told us they could not guarantee our residents' safety in those blocks". Some residents said the first they heard of the evacuation was on the news.

"I know it's difficult, but Grenfell changes everything and I just don't believe we can take any risk with our residents' safety and I have to put them first," Ms Gould said. Camden Council said officials had been knocking on the doors of the towers one at a time for safety reasons - starting at Taplow and followed by Burnham, Bray, Blashford and Dorney. Residents will be allowed in at the weekend to collect more possessions under escort from the fire brigade.

Prime Minister Theresa May tweeted: "My thoughts are with residents being evacuated in Camden while their homes are made safe tonight." She said the government was "offering every support we can" to residents and officials working at the estate.

 

 

 

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A Hotpoint branded fridge freezer caused this tragedy, apparently.

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Well those landlords from the Parliament who allowed the safety law to get less rigorous surely will have to spend some millions now.  

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On 2017-6-24 at 4:15 PM, karbatal said:

Well those landlords from the Parliament who allowed the safety law to get less rigorous surely will have to spend some millions now.  

Well it still needs to be confirmed where the error was. It could be that somebody has signed off the use of the cladding when it should have been rejected. Nobody is yet sure. The cladding could be perfectly legal. Building regulations could be fine. It's all being checked.

They said yesterday they wouldn't be able to confirm the final death toll for months. So awful for friends and family.

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They can.  But they won't.  

About the caddlin.... No building can burn like that because of a fridge with legal materials.  It's impossible.  Small fires happen in tall buildings every day in the world. 

They are lying. 

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9 minutes ago, karbatal said:

They can.  But they won't.  

About the caddlin.... No building can burn like that because of a fridge with legal materials.  It's impossible.  Small fires happen in tall buildings every day in the world. 

They are lying. 

Yes that's suspicious. The fire in that kitchen and flat must have been intense to inflame the cladding of the building. How fast did it spread? When got it noticed? I seriously don't understand what happened there. 

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This is a fire in a hotel in my city in the late 70s. I guess around 70 or 80 people died. The fire started in the basement: 

Resultado de imagen de hotel corona incendio

 

It spread: 

Resultado de imagen de hotel corona incendio

Lots of people died, mostly because of the smoke. But the burning was serious in lots of floors 

This was the result 

Resultado de imagen de hotel corona incendio

 

Now let's remember another building that burned like a torch. This time it was Madrid, I guess around 10 years ago. The Windsor Hotel. Even though the investigation (hahahaha) concluded that it was caused by some electricity fail, popular opinion is that it was burned intentionally. Reason? Buildings don't burn like that! 

 

Resultado de imagen de windsor incendio provocado

 

 

 

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8 hours ago, Lolo said:

Yes that's suspicious. The fire in that kitchen and flat must have been intense to inflame the cladding of the building. How fast did it spread? When got it noticed? I seriously don't understand what happened there. 

It was a series of errors. The window was open and the flames got out setting fire to the cladding.

The cladding is perfectly legal in some circumstances like insulating tanks. It may not be legal in this case but it's not known.

People were told to stay in their flats as the flats are individual concrete blocks and are supposedly fire proof . People were in them for three hours before some decided to escape whilst the fire took hold as they were told to stay there by the fire brigade. 

No conspiracies. Just very unfortunate set of circumstances 

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I went into London last night and had to drive right past it. I was shocked as it was so close. It's just this black burnt out shell now.

I know someone who's involved with the investigation - number of deaths will probably reach 93 max - still a terrible number. No more despite all the gossip you might read.

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