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22 hours ago, Raider of the lost Ark said:

What I find so funny is that much about the Brexit was supposedly about the NHS. I wonder if people have really thought this through. Especially with that "really great" trade deal with the U.S. that will come soon (well, I guess that's "soon" the way Madonna understands it). Do people realize that the U.S. will most definately demand the opening of the U.K. Health market to U.S. companies, which will most likely be the last step to bring down the NHS. Conservatives for years have cut the budget of the NHS to create the impression of ineffectivity and a lack of care. All of this was supposed to open the system to private insurances etc. The trade deal will be the moment those attempts will come full circle. 

Do people remember TTIP? That deal that was negotiated behind closed doors between the EU and the U.S. Negotiations were so secret that not even members of the national parliaments were granted information about the content. When someone leaked parts of it, all hell broke loose because of chlorine chicken, dismanteling workers rights, environmental rights etc., dubious courts to rule over cases where U.S. companies sue European countries over damages they allegedly have to suffer because those parliaments, as the representive of the people, dare to introduce or change certain laws. A democratic act that may cost countries billions of dollars in damages. Let's just say, TTIP was very much in favor of the U.S. Trump claims it was bad for the U.S. and that's why he called it off. The truth is, the deal was off the moment those documents saw the light of day. Now imagine what the U.S. will demand from the U.K., which is obviously in much weaker position than the EU.

true to all.and after the UK, they will come for the rest of europe.I´m sorry, but we are in a war, and the sad part is that they are so inteligent that nobody thinks about it. well, not the media, the politicians... you know

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On 8/30/2019 at 7:14 PM, promise to try said:

true to all.and after the UK, they will come for the rest of europe.I´m sorry, but we are in a war, and the sad part is that they are so inteligent that nobody thinks about it. well, not the media, the politicians... you know

Media "thinks" about it, but absolutely all media belong to banks and corporations. 

 

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On 8/31/2019 at 7:18 PM, karbatal said:

Media "thinks" about it, but absolutely all media belong to banks and corporations. 

 

yes, this is really sad, and, dangerous

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Brexit has been a shit show since it was first announced and comes back to the arrogance of those who ran the Remain campaign that it was a done deal. Why plan for something that would never ever come to pass? Only it did. Oops! Hence why Cameron bailed. Because if he stayed on, he knew he would be exposed as having no plan. It wasn't just because he would have been doing something he claims to have not believed in (despite his pre-vote insistences that he would trigger Article 50 'the next day' after the vote if Leave won).

It's something that has plagued this Government since. Theresa May's insistence that 'No Deal is better than a bad deal' yet providing minimal to no planning for it believing she could strong-arm her own vision through. And flipping that round, it seems Boris has been planning for No Deal but not for a deal, all the while thinking he can strong-arm his vision through.

A responsible government should plan for every scenario. And not one of them has been responsible, so no proper planning.

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Nobody nowadays proposing disruptive politics has a plan. Nobody. Lepen has no plan in case France leaves the EU. Not even after Brexit they explain how would France trade with other countries. Catalonia has no plan at all regarding retirement pensions, economic deals, the cost of a new army (and if you go all Swiss, having no army but knowing that then civil forces will have to make those task. how much is that cost) or being expelled from the EU. Which makes a very interesting case of study: why do.people who support those movements don't ask for the planning?

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On 9/10/2019 at 9:42 AM, karbatal said:

Nobody nowadays proposing disruptive politics has a plan. Nobody. Lepen has no plan in case France leaves the EU. Not even after Brexit they explain how would France trade with other countries. Catalonia has no plan at all regarding retirement pensions, economic deals, the cost of a new army (and if you go all Swiss, having no army but knowing that then civil forces will have to make those task. how much is that cost) or being expelled from the EU. Which makes a very interesting case of study: why do.people who support those movements don't ask for the planning?

Because its rednecks - neonazis who support those "movements", who are never educated or base their decision on facts or studies. Its a well known fact (and undisputed) that EU has brought prosperity and peace to all its members and Europe in general. But that doesnt matter for those ppl. They want to "make it alone" against all odds or logic. Catalunia for example would never be as prosperious as within Spain and there are many reasons why, but the nationalists do not care about it. Anyways Barcelona is overrated, Madrid is MILES better anyways :).

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Well here's the 'Operation Yellowhammer' document if anyone is curious.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/831199/20190802_Latest_Yellowhammer_Planning_assumptions_CDL.pdf

it does seem to be an updated version of the one that leaked several weeks ago and makes for grim reading.

 

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The Brexit Short: How Hedge Funds Used Private Polls to Make Millions

Private polls—and a timely ‘concession’ from the face of Leave—allowed the funds to make millions off the pound’s collapse.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-06-25/brexit-big-short-how-pollsters-helped-hedge-funds-beat-the-crash

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Glad I have never ever used PayPal....

 

BREXIT PARTY PAYPAL INVESTIGATION
Rampant Impermissible Donations Revealed by Watchdog's Visit Tip of the Iceberg?
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Byline Times’ exclusive report on the loopholes in the Brexit Party’s PayPal funding system led to a visit from the elections watchdog, which subsequently revealed impermissible donations – but questions remain.

Following Byline Times’ investigation into the Brexit Party’s Paypal funding methods, the elections watchdog, the Electoral Commission, visited the party on 21 May to review the systems it had in place to receive funds.

A month later, the commission concluded that “the fundraising structure adopted by the party leaves it open to a high and on-going risk of receiving and accepting impermissible donations”.

It made a number of recommendations to the Brexit Party – including that it should check and identify all of the online payments it had received to ensure that the party had not accepted any donations that it was not entitled to, including foreign money.

However, the latest figures published by the Electoral Commission on political party donations and loans have raised concerns as to whether the Brexit Party heeded this advice.

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As a result of the watchdog’s visit on 21 May, the Brexit Party altered its funding system to register the identities of donors. Prior to this, it was not recording the identities of those contributing. In line with the change, the filings from the Electoral Commission reveal that a number of prohibited donations occurred rapidly the day after the visit. This is because the changes the visit instigated resulted in illegal payments to the Brexit Party becoming visible and a pattern rapidly emerging. 

However, while the filings confirm that vast amounts of impermissible foreign donations were moved through the Brexit Party’s PayPal structure, they also reveal that Nigel Farage’s party has not reviewed any donations it received before the visit by the Electoral Commission on 21 May. Not a single impermissible donation was reported from this period to the watchdog.

Tip of the Iceberg?

When Nigel Farage launched his party on 12 April this year he claimed that, during the preceding 10 days, it had amassed funding at record rates – £750,000, all in small donations of less than £500. He had “never seen anything like it in his 25 years in politics,” he declared. 

Under UK electoral law, donations to political parties under £500 can be accepted anonymously as they are exempt from the requirement to store addresses and check that the donor is a UK resident.

As the PayPal function for receiving donors’ addresses on the Brexit Party’s donation system was disabled, it amassed a number of anonymous payments. If several separate payments of £500 or under were made to the party, which exceeded individual donation limits by actually coming from the same source, these would be impermissible.

Just six days after the Electoral Commission insisted on more checks following its visit to the Brexit Party, it made up 60% of all reported illegal payment transactions for all political parties for the entire three month period, all from separate seemingly unconnected donors.

The Electoral Commission told Byline Times that it was “the legal duty of the party to report any impermissible donations it receives and it is the responsibility of the party to record details of permissible and impermissible donations”.

Just six days after the Electoral Commission insisted on more checks following its visit to the Brexit Party, it made up 60% of all reported illegal payment transactions for all political parties for the entire three month period, all from separate seemingly unconnected donors.

The Electoral Commission told Byline Times that it was “the legal duty of the party to report any impermissible donations it receives and it is the responsibility of the party to record details of permissible and impermissible donations”.

“Some of the information you have requested relates to our visit to the Brexit Party on 21 May 2019,” the Electoral Commission wrote. “It is important that we are able to conduct such regulatory work in confidence, and disclosure would result in those we regulate having detailed knowledge of our approach to our regulatory work, with the real risk that it would provide assistance to any organisation seeking to evade the rules.”

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, and the £500 donations loophole does nothing to increase transparency and trust in electoral finances. The Brexit Party has had a profound influence on British politics since its inception. All parties must be treated impartially.

Despite these glaring gaps in its finances, the Electoral Commission has told Byline Times that it is not investigating the Brexit Party’s funding, but that it reserves the right to launch an investigation if more evidence comes to light in the future.

https://bylinetimes.com/2019/09/03/brexit-party-paypal-investigation-rampant-impermissible-donations-revealed-by-watchdogs-visit-tip-of-the-iceberg/

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The Guardian view on Yellowhammer: the ugly truth about a no-deal Brexit

Ministers insist it is a worst-case scenario. But with no new deal in sight, the dangers set out in a document they wanted to hide must be taken seriously

Even for a government that prides itself on high-handedness, Jacob Rees-Mogg’s vicious attack on consultant neurologist David Nicholl was a low point. Dr Nicholl, who drew up a risk register for the newly released Yellowhammer no-deal Brexit planning document, asked Mr Rees-Mogg, on live radio, what “level of mortality” he would regard as an acceptable price for leaving the European Union with no arrangements in place. Since this was a direct challenge to ministers’ strategy of trying to normalise what should be unthinkable, Mr Rees-Mogg’s anger was not surprising. His insolence, however, in comparing Dr Nicholl to the struck-off anti-vaccination campaigner Andrew Wakefield, proved too much for his frontbench colleagues and Mr Rees-Mogg was forced to apologise.

Now that Yellowhammer has been published, it is clear why Dr Nicholl felt compelled to confront him. No-deal Brexit is a recipe for chaos, with medical supply shortages near the top of a list of consequences that are already scaring people around the country. While the long-term impact of a bitter divorce is strategically more damaging than any initial shocks, even voters tempted to buy into Mr Johnson’s no-deal bluster could be put off by the prospect of two-day traffic jams, energy price rises, civil unrest or a lack of clean water.

For Gibraltar and Northern Ireland the prospects are far bleaker, with a revived black market described as “likely”, particularly in border areas where criminals and terrorists are already active. Even given all the politics that surround Brexit, it is extraordinary that ministers thought it appropriate to hide such warnings from parliament and the public.

Both tips of the government’s two-pronged damage limitation exercise – that Yellowhammer represents a worst-case scenario, and that a deal is in any case on the cards – require careful handling. Since other versions of the Yellowhammer document are headed “base case”, it seems more likely that it sets out what civil servants believe will happen rather than what they think won’t (even if further attempts at mitigation are now in train), while the latest claims about a new deal being within view are at odds with the resignation statements of Amber Rudd and Jo Johnson.

Angela Merkel’s warning of the risk to the EU that could be posed by a low-tax, low-regulation “Singapore-on-Thames” on its doorstep is more illuminating. That such threats are being taken seriously, following Brexit negotiator David Frost’s announcement that Mr Johnson’s government wants to walk back from Theresa May’s commitment to a level playing field on social and environmental standards, should alarm everyone who wants the UK to continue in a constructive partnership with our neighbours, whether within or outside the EU. Given the enormous difficulties that would beset trade negotiations were the UK to pursue such a course, it is tempting to dismiss such statements as empty boasts, intended to force the EU’s hand with regard to Ireland. But Yellowhammer provides some support for this week’s complaint by a French foreign minister that the UK is attempting to negotiate “side deals” with individual member states, and subvert the Brussels process.

Since parliament has all but ruled out no deal, Yellowhammer’s predictions are not as frightening as they might be, even if an extension from the EU is not guaranteed. But it remains extremely disturbing that members of the prime minister’s immediate circle apparently believed, as recently as last weekend, that riots and shortages could be features of the near-future for which he is readying the country.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/sep/12/the-guardian-view-on-yellowhammer-the-ugly-truth-about-a-no-deal-brexit?CMP=share_btn_tw

 

... meanwhile coward spineless David Camoron published his fucking book....

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This exchange was accompanied by the loud crash of many, many pennies dropping...

Can any Prime Minister ever have been less informed, less equipped, less equal to the task he faces?

Thread ⬇️

 

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Cannot believe it's been over three years we've been talking about this, sigh

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On 9/19/2019 at 2:47 PM, BrendanT1993 said:

This can't be true :lmao:

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