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I was switching channels last night and for some reason got stuck at Sky News and they had something like discussing the headlines of the next day and there was this guy, I think he was editor or something of the Daily Mail?, and they were discussing the French plot to damage the British economy by luring financial services to Paris. Well, everyone knows this is hardly a plot considering most companies seeking access to the EU post Brexit are already looking for new headquaters and its not secret that Paris and Frankfurt are their favorites because they are seat of the biggest financial institutions in France and Germany, the two biggest economies in Europe. Anyway, this guy seriously argued that the EU will need to make concessions to Great Britain. Fortunately there was this woman who did remind him that the EU economy is at least 7 times the size of Great Britain and that it is rather Great Britain that will need to make concessions if they wish to have access to the European market. So the delusion is real.

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Davis looks like he's just about to say that his dog ate his homework 😂

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SIXTY leading figures call for Brexit to be halted

Scots academics and politicians demand rethink as second round of talks begin

SCORES of Scotland’s most high- profile academics and politicians have called for last year’s Brexit vote to be overturned as “its disastrous consequences become clearer every day” Senior figures from the worlds of politics, business, academia and the arts have signed a landmark letter to The Herald breaking a fragile consensus accepting the referendum.

Signatories include Labour former first minister Henry McLeish, ex-Liberal Democrat leader Lord Campbell of Pittenweem and former defence secretary and ex-Nato secretary general Baron Robertson. Leading figures from the fields of academia, business, arts and NGOs have also signed the letter, including Scotland’s former chief medical officer Sir Harry Burns, historians Sir Tom Devine and Chris Smout,  director of Friends of the Earth Scotland Dr Richard Dixon, distinguished international jurist Sir David Edward; businessman and diplomat Lord John Kerr; and trade union leader Grahame Smith.

In the letter they write: “We see our society, economy and politics becoming ever more undermined due to the impact of Brexit. We recognise that a narrow majority voted to leave the European Union, but the disastrous consequences are now becoming ever clearer - every day. Even before the UK has left the EU, we face falling living standards, rising inflation, slowing growth and lower productivity.

“Our international reputation has been seriously damaged, leaving the UK weak, with diminished influence, in an increasingly uncertain and unstable world.” The letter continues: “In a democracy, it is always possible to think again and to choose a different direction. We need to think again about Brexit, to have a UK-wide debate about calling a halt to the process and changing our minds.”

The ground-breaking intervention comes as David Davis came under a double attack as rancour broke out within the Brexit movement.

Dominic Cummings, the former Vote Leave campaign chief, unleashed a tirade of criticism on Twitter against the Brexit Secretary, branding him “thick as mince, lazy as a toad and vain as Narcissus”. Mr Davis was also condemned for turning up for a second round of talks with his EU counterpart Michel Barnier declaring they were now “getting into the substance of the matter” but leaving after just three hours.

Today’s open letter comes amid growing concern at home and abroad the UK economy is already suffering from crippling uncertainty over its future relationship with its biggest trading partner. It concludes: “We call for a national debate on Brexit. We ask our fellow citizens, and our politicians, to think again. It is time to call a halt to Brexit.”

The letter represents a significant challenge to both Labour and the Conservatives at Westminster. The SNP and the Liberal Democrats have both opposed Brexit staunchly, with the latter party calling for a second referendum. But both Prime Minister Theresa May and Opposition leader Jeremy Corbyn have accepted the result of the Brexit vote even as public and academic doubts grew.

Earlier this month, veteran Labour MEP David Martin told The Herald his party should be the vehicle to stop Brexit. Mr Martin has signed today’s letter as have former Labour cabinet ministers Helen Liddell and George Robertson and their fellow peer George Foulkes. It came after former prime minister Tony Blair this weekend suggested it was “possible’ Brexit would not happen. Westminster sources have suggested there are now Conservative ministers who feel the same.

The first Tory to break ranks on the issue was former MEP Struan Mr Stevenson, who last week in this newspaper revealed his desire for a rethink amid evidence leaving the EU will put up barriers to Scottish farm exports while a potential US trade deal opens up Scotland to imports of cheap, low-quality American beef and chicken.

Academics this week warned Brexit marked a serious threat to Britain’s food security with 80 per cent of vegetables and 40 per cent of fruit being imported. Tim Lang of City University described the situation as a “serious policy failure on an unprecedented scale”. His concerns over food security echo those of Professor David Bell of Stirling University and farming experts who warned of similar problems earlier this summer.

A spokeswoman for the Department for Exiting the European Union said: “In one of the biggest democratic exercises in our history, the British people voted to leave the European Union. The Government is committed to delivering on that mandate, by building a new deep and special partnership with our closest allies and neighbours in Europe.

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On ‎18‎/‎07‎/‎2017 at 0:34 AM, pieciolot said:

Davis looks like he's just about to say that his dog ate his homework 😂

 

:lmao::chuckle:

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3 hours ago, Kim said:

SIXTY leading figures call for Brexit to be halted

Scots academics and politicians demand rethink as second round of talks begin

SCORES of Scotland’s most high- profile academics and politicians have called for last year’s Brexit vote to be overturned as “its disastrous consequences become clearer every day” Senior figures from the worlds of politics, business, academia and the arts have signed a landmark letter to The Herald breaking a fragile consensus accepting the referendum.

Signatories include Labour former first minister Henry McLeish, ex-Liberal Democrat leader Lord Campbell of Pittenweem and former defence secretary and ex-Nato secretary general Baron Robertson. Leading figures from the fields of academia, business, arts and NGOs have also signed the letter, including Scotland’s former chief medical officer Sir Harry Burns, historians Sir Tom Devine and Chris Smout,  director of Friends of the Earth Scotland Dr Richard Dixon, distinguished international jurist Sir David Edward; businessman and diplomat Lord John Kerr; and trade union leader Grahame Smith.

In the letter they write: “We see our society, economy and politics becoming ever more undermined due to the impact of Brexit. We recognise that a narrow majority voted to leave the European Union, but the disastrous consequences are now becoming ever clearer - every day. Even before the UK has left the EU, we face falling living standards, rising inflation, slowing growth and lower productivity.

“Our international reputation has been seriously damaged, leaving the UK weak, with diminished influence, in an increasingly uncertain and unstable world.” The letter continues: “In a democracy, it is always possible to think again and to choose a different direction. We need to think again about Brexit, to have a UK-wide debate about calling a halt to the process and changing our minds.”

The ground-breaking intervention comes as David Davis came under a double attack as rancour broke out within the Brexit movement.

Dominic Cummings, the former Vote Leave campaign chief, unleashed a tirade of criticism on Twitter against the Brexit Secretary, branding him “thick as mince, lazy as a toad and vain as Narcissus”. Mr Davis was also condemned for turning up for a second round of talks with his EU counterpart Michel Barnier declaring they were now “getting into the substance of the matter” but leaving after just three hours.

Today’s open letter comes amid growing concern at home and abroad the UK economy is already suffering from crippling uncertainty over its future relationship with its biggest trading partner. It concludes: “We call for a national debate on Brexit. We ask our fellow citizens, and our politicians, to think again. It is time to call a halt to Brexit.”

The letter represents a significant challenge to both Labour and the Conservatives at Westminster. The SNP and the Liberal Democrats have both opposed Brexit staunchly, with the latter party calling for a second referendum. But both Prime Minister Theresa May and Opposition leader Jeremy Corbyn have accepted the result of the Brexit vote even as public and academic doubts grew.

Earlier this month, veteran Labour MEP David Martin told The Herald his party should be the vehicle to stop Brexit. Mr Martin has signed today’s letter as have former Labour cabinet ministers Helen Liddell and George Robertson and their fellow peer George Foulkes. It came after former prime minister Tony Blair this weekend suggested it was “possible’ Brexit would not happen. Westminster sources have suggested there are now Conservative ministers who feel the same.

The first Tory to break ranks on the issue was former MEP Struan Mr Stevenson, who last week in this newspaper revealed his desire for a rethink amid evidence leaving the EU will put up barriers to Scottish farm exports while a potential US trade deal opens up Scotland to imports of cheap, low-quality American beef and chicken.

Academics this week warned Brexit marked a serious threat to Britain’s food security with 80 per cent of vegetables and 40 per cent of fruit being imported. Tim Lang of City University described the situation as a “serious policy failure on an unprecedented scale”. His concerns over food security echo those of Professor David Bell of Stirling University and farming experts who warned of similar problems earlier this summer.

A spokeswoman for the Department for Exiting the European Union said: “In one of the biggest democratic exercises in our history, the British people voted to leave the European Union. The Government is committed to delivering on that mandate, by building a new deep and special partnership with our closest allies and neighbours in Europe.

 

Admirable of them

If only those who sold Brexit to the British public had a modicum of credibility, professionalism and leadership value in carrying out the referendum outcome ... Fat chance. They look and sound like they are in a race with each other to make it all so much worse ... They had the outcome they wanted and look hell bent on unintentionally proving they were wrong to begin with

I mean what is Theresa May's excuse to appoint a Boris Johnson as Foreign Secretary :blink: It looks like a self-sabotage inside job. Same for that Fallon defense guy or this Davis

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On ‎16‎/‎07‎/‎2017 at 2:37 PM, Raider of the lost Ark said:

I was switching channels last night and for some reason got stuck at Sky News and they had something like discussing the headlines of the next day and there was this guy, I think he was editor or something of the Daily Mail?, and they were discussing the French plot to damage the British economy by luring financial services to Paris. Well, everyone knows this is hardly a plot considering most companies seeking access to the EU post Brexit are already looking for new headquaters and its not secret that Paris and Frankfurt are their favorites because they are seat of the biggest financial institutions in France and Germany, the two biggest economies in Europe. Anyway, this guy seriously argued that the EU will need to make concessions to Great Britain. Fortunately there was this woman who did remind him that the EU economy is at least 7 times the size of Great Britain and that it is rather Great Britain that will need to make concessions if they wish to have access to the European market. So the delusion is real.

 

He probably thinks the UK can go on parasiting off now commonly referred to as Commonwealth countries like in the good old Empire days. I find it telling there have been several unconfirmed reports of the British Royal family being in favour of the country leaving the EU

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On ‎16‎/‎07‎/‎2017 at 8:10 AM, karbatal said:

It's really appalling how IGNORANT politicians in the UK are.  The fact that Brussels had to explain to them that Euratom is part of the EU is shocking.  They support Brexit and don't even know that the Union is the sum of three communities and the Atomic and Nuclear is one of them???????? 

I can imagine the faces of the people in Brussels. No wonder Juncker was appalled after that meeting with May. 

:chuckle:

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On ‎15‎/‎07‎/‎2017 at 5:52 PM, jonski43 said:

That is such a good idea but will the EU countries actually give us the choice? We can't just pick and choose and then turn round and say, OK, we'll stay?

:hotmess:

 

Brussels has already expressed something to this regard :laugh: "Open arms"

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On ‎16‎/‎07‎/‎2017 at 1:29 AM, pjcowley said:

Strong and stable Britain, with street acupuncture (knifing) and random vile acid attacks by random teenage fucks on the rampage - welcome to a disgracefully fucked up island:

London acid attacks: teenager charged with 15 offences

16-year-old boy to face court over five linked attacks on Thursday night

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A 16-year-old boy has been charged by police investigating five linked acid attacks in London.

The teenager is charged with 15 offences including grievous bodily harm and possession of an item to discharge a noxious substance, the Metropolitan police said. He has been remanded in custody to appear before Stratford youth court on Monday.

Five acid attacks took place in north and east London in less than 90 minutes on Thursday night.

Police said the teenager has been charged with one count of GBH with intent, one count of possession of an item to discharge a noxious substance, three counts of robbery, one count of handling stolen goods, four counts of attempted robbery and five counts of attempted GBH with intent.

Earlier on Saturday, a 15-year-old boy who was arrested at an address in Stoke Newington, north London, on Friday morning on suspicion of grievous bodily harm and robbery was released on bail until a date in early August.

Scotland Yard said the investigation into the attacks is continuing.

Five men – all on mopeds – were allegedly targeted by two moped-riding attackers.

Food delivery rider Jabed Hussain, 32, who works for UberEats, had his moped stolen and his face sprayed with liquid. He was the victim of the night’s first attack at about 10.25pm at traffic lights on Hackney Road, east London, on his way home from work.

Hussain told the Guardian that the area had been the scene of many knife and other violent attacks on delivery drivers in recent months. “First of all, I didn’t realise it was acid; then it started to burn. I saw they wanted to do it again, so I jumped off my bike and tried to hide from them behind cars,” Hussain said.

After his moped was stolen, Hussain ran up to cars stopped at the traffic lights, knocked on windows and begged for help. “I was screaming for help and for water. No one was opening their door or window.”

A female passerby stopped to help Hussain, who was taken to an east London hospital. His injuries are not being treated as life-changing.

“I’m too scared to go back to work,” he told the Press Association. “I’m really scared. I don’t know what to do. My wife, she’s scared. My family’s scared. They were asking me to leave that job, but I love that job.”

Little more than 20 minutes after the first attack, at 10.49pm, a 44-year-old moped driver was sprayed with a searing liquid at the Upper Street junction with Highbury Corner in Islington, north London.

The victim was taken to a hospital in north London. His vehicle was not stolen.
Then at about 11.05pm, police were called after attackers targeted a man in Shoreditch High Street, east London, tossing a substance in his face.

His injuries were not life-threatening and his moped was not stolen, police said.
Within 15 minutes, a corrosive substance was hurled at a man on Upper Clapton Road, causing “life-changing” facial injuries.

Police were called to the scene at 11.18pm. The final assault was reported to police at 11.37pm, when another man was confronted as he sat on his moped in traffic in Chatsworth Road. Liquid was sprayed in his face and his moped was stolen by the attackers, who then fled.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jul/15/london-acid-attacks-teenager-charged

 

Apparently there is no money tree to avoid making cuts on the police force, on the NHS, on all basic public all important services... but a million for a bunch of retrograde homophobic bigots was readily available.

May-bot ruled Britain is a sinking ship. Who can save its passengers from drowning?

 

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The only thing strong and stable in May's leadership so far is her bank account and "vicar's daughter" privilege / good Christian image

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The EU's chief Brexit negotiator has urged the UK for more "clarity" on where it stands on key issues such as citizens rights and the "divorce bill". Michel Barnier said progress had been made in talks with David Davis in areas where the UK position was clear. But there were still differences on how citizens' residence rights will be "guaranteed" and how it will maintain the common travel area in Ireland. He was speaking at a media conference at the end of the second week of talks. 

 

 

 

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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/21/brexit-banking-exodus-theresa-may-morgan-stanley


Is this the Brexit banking exodus Theresa May told us couldn’t happen?

Nesrine Malik

 


With Morgan Stanley quitting the City, the question is no longer if Brexit will damage the UK financial services industry – but how bad the damage will be

 

The latest financial institution making plans to relocate jobs away from the UK is Morgan Stanley, which has announced that Frankfurt will become its post-Brexit EU hub, a move that could shift an initial 200 jobs to Germany.
 
Morgan Stanley joins Standard Chartered and Nomura, both of which also picked Frankfurt as a new EU base, and JP Morgan and Goldman Sachs, which are moving jobs out of London to various other centres. Morgan Stanley’s asset management arm is to relocate to Dublin, as several European cities woo jittery banks that will not hang around to see what final deal is hammered out between the UK and Europe before they start looking elsewhere. A competition to host the UK’s bankers post-Brexit would have as its slogan: “Better in than out.”

 

 

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http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-40674883

Theresa May urged to intervene in imminent Saudi executions

A group of MPs have written to PM Theresa May asking her to intervene in the case of 14 Saudi prisoners believed to be facing imminent execution.

The MPs say they are "gravely concerned" UK police training of Saudi agents may have directly enabled the arrests under anti-cyber crime law.

The human rights group Reprieve says at least two of the prisoners were children when they were arrested.

Former Labour leader Ed Miliband was one of three MPs who signed the letter.

It asks the prime minister to "personally urge" Saudi Arabia's King Salman and his son, Crown Prince bin Salman, to halt the executions.

"We also ask that you take urgent steps to confirm that UK assistance played no role in these individuals' conviction under Saudi Arabia's anti-cyber crime law," it continues.

The letter, also signed by Conservative MP Andrew Mitchell and Lib Dem MP Tom Brake, calls for a "full account to Parliament of any and all UK training for Saudi police and criminal justice institutions".

Reprieve has expressed concern that British police trainers sent to Saudi Arabia may have been complicit in the arrest of the suspects, who were then allegedly tortured into confessions.

The prisoners, according to the charity, include a disabled man and a student who was arrested, aged 17, on his way to study in the United States.

Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International said the men confessed to crimes under torture and were put on death row after more than two-and-a-half years of pre-trial detention.

The Saudi authorities have faced frequent criticism for a lack of transparency in their justice system but have always insisted that criminal cases are carried out in strict accordance to Sharia law.

'Deafening silence from PM' :bad:

Mr Brake, the Lib Dem foreign affairs spokesman, raised concerns about the situation of the 14 men in an urgent question in the Commons earlier this week.

He called for the UK to stop any assistance offered to Saudi Arabia that could contribute to the arrest of dissidents and to condemn the use of the death penalty in such cases.

Foreign Office minister Alistair Burt responded by saying the government had "sketchy" reports and was seeking clarity in Riyadh and London.

Mr Burt added: "The UK government opposes the use of the death penalty in all circumstances and in every country including Saudi Arabia, especially for crimes other than the most serious and for juveniles."

Maya Foa, director of Reprieve, said: "Minister Burt is right to make clear the UK's opposition to the brutal death penalty in Saudi Arabia, but his words stand in stark contrast to the deafening silence from Theresa May on this issue.

"When 14 young men face imminent beheading for protest-related offences, simply raising the cases in private doesn't cut it."

The BBC has asked the Saudi Embassy for a response

 

 

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12 minutes ago, Hector said:

 

Does he have any idea what he is tweeting about ?  His tweets are incoherent and look like a child writes them.  This whole JOBS in capitals he keeps pushing is wearing very thin.  

Trump and Theresa May - what a pair matched in Hell. 

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On 25/07/2017 at 7:26 PM, Hector said:

 

 

The EU is very protectionist? :lmao:

The EU has just recently signed that horrible CETA deal with Canada that in reality is just the backdoor to a bigger EU/US deal called TTIP which serves the only purpose of finally greenlighting dreadful companies like Monsanto to flood Europe with unhealthy,  carcinogenic, cheap GMO products, where a much less lax set of regulations for food classification and denomination of controlled origin had reigned supreme so far

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On 25/7/2017 at 7:26 PM, Hector said:

 

Yeah right,  the US will prefer tiny UK instead of a market of 500 million people :rotfl:

This man is such a moron to think these words will make other countries commit suicide like the UK. 

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Besides,  the UK is in a high record employment economy right now.  They do not need JOBS.  They need higher wages,  which won't come from any US trade agreement.  Much the contrary :lmao:

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On 25/07/2017 at 6:26 PM, Hector said:

 

Trump is preparing his larger than life visit to the UK. He thinks he ll be celebrated like royalty...  little he knows everybody and their mother despise him in Britain. Even strong and stable Theresa May is shaking in her leopard printed shoes knowing the humiliation Trump will have to suffer in the UK. Trump hopes all the brexiters will be giving him the best ever welcome a US president has ever received on English soil. Unfortunately for him brexiters don't live in London but in rural U.K. and they'd rather watch an episode of the Jeremy Kyle Show than catch a train to London and cheer him on. Besides they're all broke; they can barely afford their phone bill let alone a trip to London.

Trump will be greeted by the Londoners and the Muslim community. Both of which hate him with a passion after his obsnoxious remarks against the London mayor and his administration discrimination against Muslims. Now the LGBT community will definitely join forces, too. 

He won't make it alive out of London. Trust me. His ego will be so hurt he might even declare nuclear war on us. His trade deals promises mean shit to the UK people. 

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3 hours ago, MeakMaker said:

his administration discrimination against Muslims

Discrimination against some, not all Muslims. If the ban had been against each and every single Muslim country one could say that Trump and his administration is against Muslims - but no, only certain Muslim countries had been targeted, and ironically the ones that had caused the least amount of trouble against the oh almighty Disunited States of Crappy America.

Those Saudis scumbags with their hands dirty of ISIS blood continue to be left untouched. By everyone.

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6 hours ago, pjcowley said:

Discrimination against some, not all Muslims. If the ban had been against each and every single Muslim country one could say that Trump and his administration is against Muslims - but no, only certain Muslim countries had been targeted, and ironically the ones that had caused the least amount of trouble against the oh almighty Disunited States of Crappy America.

Those Saudis scumbags with their hands dirty of ISIS blood continue to be left untouched. By everyone.

For sure but all the Muslims I know who haven't been affected by Trump policy as the live in the U.K. hate Trump on a matter of principle. And Trump more than often has accused all Muslims to be somewhat connected to ISIS because they don't report anything. We all know how the US president feels about anyone who is not white and heterosexual and rich and male.... 

And of course his Saudis friends don't care about Trump policies as long as they keep getting richer and richer. 

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