Jump to content
MadonnaNation.com Forums
Sign in to follow this  
XXL

BREXIT / British Politics thread - cont

Recommended Posts

Wow Darren Hayes went IN, i love it :lol:

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 2017-6-13 at 8:33 PM, Hector said:

 

 

tumblr_inline_mx7cztPC2G1qhxoyk.gif

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

This friday this British guy was chatting to a friend from Poland and me in a club. From what he said he's been living in Madrid for a while so we got into the whole Brexit thing and the guy says the downside is that the poles might potentially leave as "somebody's got to keep the toilet cleans". Felt so much second hand embarrassment. I know such xenophobic remark doesn't represent all brits but reminded me why things have gotten to this point there.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, Je5u5 said:

This friday this British guy was chatting to a friend from Poland and me in a club. From what he said he's been living in Madrid for a while so we got into the whole Brexit thing and the guy says the downside is that the poles might potentially leave as "somebody's got to keep the toilet cleans". Felt so much second hand embarrassment. I know such xenophobic remark doesn't represent all brits but reminded me why things have gotten to this point there.

Well the Brits voted for Brexit, so they can start cleaning the toilets themselves. Ignorant idiots.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, Je5u5 said:

This friday this British guy was chatting to a friend from Poland and me in a club. From what he said he's been living in Madrid for a while so we got into the whole Brexit thing and the guy says the downside is that the poles might potentially leave as "somebody's got to keep the toilet cleans". Felt so much second hand embarrassment. I know such xenophobic remark doesn't represent all brits but reminded me why things have gotten to this point there.

but that´s the typical stupid thing that people in any country say about other people living there...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 2017-6-18 at 7:14 PM, Je5u5 said:

This friday this British guy was chatting to a friend from Poland and me in a club. From what he said he's been living in Madrid for a while so we got into the whole Brexit thing and the guy says the downside is that the poles might potentially leave as "somebody's got to keep the toilet cleans". Felt so much second hand embarrassment. I know such xenophobic remark doesn't represent all brits but reminded me why things have gotten to this point there.

Well I hope you mentioned to that 'British' guy (after kicking his balls) that the only reason he's so easily living and working in Madrid is thanks to EU freedom of movement. 

But not to worry, they're already talking about 'barista visas' so we'll still have people to serve our coffee to us, and 'summer visas' so we'll still have people to come over and pick strawberries for 12 hours a day for 7 quid an hour, and 'nursing visas' so we'll still have people to come across and wipe the arses of our sick and elderly etc etc. Which begs the question...why even bother?

What a CARRY ON...

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 18/06/2017 at 8:14 PM, Je5u5 said:

This friday this British guy was chatting to a friend from Poland and me in a club. From what he said he's been living in Madrid for a while so we got into the whole Brexit thing and the guy says the downside is that the poles might potentially leave as "somebody's got to keep the toilet cleans". Felt so much second hand embarrassment. I know such xenophobic remark doesn't represent all brits but reminded me why things have gotten to this point there.

 

This is exactly the type of attitude that makes my blood boil

And like Promise To Try said it's the same attitude you can see in many countries where you have people coming from abroad to find work there

How can some people be so annoyingly patronising and ignorant in the year 2017?

Racist, xenophobic etc etc

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
39 minutes ago, Kim said:

But not to worry, they're already talking about 'barista visas' so we'll still have people to serve our coffee to us, and 'summer visas' so we'll still have people to come over and pick strawberries for 12 hours a day for 7 quid an hour, and 'nursing visas' so we'll still have people to come across and wipe the arses of our sick and elderly etc etc. Which begs the question...why even bother?

What a CARRY ON...

 

 

 

:chuckle: 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
5 hours ago, pjcowley said:

 

 

 

 

:chuckle: 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Some very good points raised in this RT panel debate

 

Is the UK in crisis? In the wake of a series of deadly terrorist attacks, a hung parliament and the horrific human tragedy of the Grenfell Tower, as well as the burning issue of Brexit, many are asking if the ruling elites are out of touch.

 

Panel:

Steve Keen  professor of Economics at Kingston University in London

Marcus Papadopoulos  Editor of Politics First Magazine

Steven Fielding Professor of Political History at the University of Nottingham

 

 

 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The real enemy are the ruling elites. In the UK,  in Spain,  France,  Germany,  USA... 

But as Nirvana said,  in the most insightful and clairvoyant lyrics ever, "here we are now,  entertain us".  And we argue nonstop about sterile issues while they laugh.  

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
17 hours ago, pjcowley said:

 

 

This isn't the first time Eddie Mair has eviscerated BOZO the clown. And people want THAT as next PM?!

"You're a NASTY piece of work, aren't you?"

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
9 hours ago, karbatal said:

The real enemy are the ruling elites. In the UK,  in Spain,  France,  Germany,  USA... 

But as Nirvana said,  in the most insightful and clairvoyant lyrics ever, "here we are now,  entertain us".  And we argue nonstop about sterile issues while they laugh.  

Exactly. The major problem is inequality in our societies but everybody seems to be stuck moaning about immigration. It just doesn't make sense.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, MeakMaker said:

Exactly. The major problem is inequality in our societies but everybody seems to be stuck moaning about immigration. It just doesn't make sense.

Because when poorer people, who are the ones affected most by inequality of course, are constantly bombarded with right wing propaganda from their daily newspapers, from some of their elected representatives, from the hate speech of Katie Hopkins, Melanie Philips and the like (who inexplicably keep getting airtime on primetime UK TV) telling them that the REASON they're poor is due to immigrants, then yes, it does make sense.

It's about time the mainstream media in this country got a kick up the arse about their right wing bias. It's despicable.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Kim said:

Because when poorer people, who are the ones affected most by inequality of course, are constantly bombarded with right wing propaganda from their daily newspapers, from some of their elected representatives, from the hate speech of Katie Hopkins, Melanie Philips and the like (who inexplicably keep getting airtime on primetime UK TV) telling them that the REASON they're poor is due to immigrants, then yes, it does make sense.

It's about time the mainstream media in this country got a kick up the arse about their right wing bias. It's despicable.

Yes I totally see it but it's still perplexing to me that people can't see through that.  Of course the wealthy are not stupid and know how to pull the strings with their mass media brainwashing machine but are people that stupid? Or are they simply evil? Or only ignorant? When are they going to wake up? If Brexit does turn out to be a real tragedy for this country economically and people are going to suffer in the process who are they going to blame then? When you start on the wrong path it gets easier to follow the same logic after all. I see hope in Jeremy Corbyn but for him to be in power he will need a coalition; Labour alone won't win a full majority. And he said many times that he won't accept a coalition. This country is so divided that I can't see people to come together and fight the system.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, Kim said:

Because when poorer people, who are the ones affected most by inequality of course, are constantly bombarded with right wing propaganda from their daily newspapers, from some of their elected representatives, from the hate speech of Katie Hopkins, Melanie Philips and the like (who inexplicably keep getting airtime on primetime UK TV) telling them that the REASON they're poor is due to immigrants, then yes, it does make sense.

It's about time the mainstream media in this country got a kick up the arse about their right wing bias. It's despicable.

Agree 100 %   People continually under-estimate how much power the right wing media has when their views are continually pounded on people. People like Murdoch and his fellow billionaires that own most of the papers plus the right wing trash that he hires to help spin his views and messages are so damaging .  I have been astounded at the amount of people that blindly believe everything they read - whether it be celebrity gossip or political and cultural issues.

 Just recently for example, there was front page articles in Murdoch's Herald Scum a few months back on schools wanting to ban fairy tales for children as they are politically incorrect.  People naturally and rightly got riled up and angry and the attention turned to how "the latte drinking elite"  were talking over our lives.  Truth is, there was a "suggestion"  about that issue by one person out of many in a study on school education and it was shot down by everyone else on the board who did not agree. Was not even considered.  Our Labor government stressed that it was not any part of their policy at all but just a passing suggestion by one person that was ignored.  But it sure made a good point to convince the public that we were all being ruled by the PC police - over one rejected opinion.  Then they media tell us all that is why we need people like Pauline Hanson etc to fight the politically correct.   It is so manipulative and wrong. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

A year on.

Still no plan for Leaving.

What an achievement.

I was watching something with my mum about how there is going to be a shortage of fruit & veg pockets after Brexit, and her response was: "Well, they shouldn't grow so much stuff then. They're just trying to be greedy and make loads of money". She is a classic Leave voter who is going around with her fingers in her ears going lalala can't hear you, Brexit is one of the worst things to happen to Britain, but also one of the best to have happened to British politics. UKIP died overnight, the Tories have been exposed as the cunts they are, and Labour showed itself to be a strong - and now even stronger - opposition, bringing back socialist politics. Britain is fucked, but now right-wing populism has gone down the drain in UK, at least for now.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, pieciolot said:

18193942_10155128972542667_1309022314650386597_n.jpg

I am surrounded by cunts at work.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Angela Merkel and Donald Tusk were not impressed by Theresa's "offer"   ...

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-40378913

 

 

 

European leaders have criticised the UK's offer to EU nationals after Brexit - with one senior figure claiming it could "worsen the situation" for them. European Council President Donald Tusk said the plan was "below expectations" while German Chancellor Angela Merkel said there had been "no breakthrough". Theresa May conceded there were differences between the two sides.

But the prime minister said those who had "made their lives and homes" in the UK would have their rights guaranteed. She also suggested that while rights would be enforced by British courts, they could also be enshrined in international law if the agreement was included in the final treaty of withdrawal. Both the UK and the rest of the EU say they want to come to an arrangement to secure the status of the 3.2 million EU citizens in the UK and the estimated 1.2 million Britons living in EU countries.

Under plans announced on Thursday by Mrs May, the UK envisages giving all EU citizens the right to stay after the UK's exit - due on 30 March 2019 - and granting those resident for at the least five years the same rights to welfare, pensions and education as UK citizens. However, no cut-off date for the package has been specified by Downing Street and further details of the plans will not be released until Monday.

The offer has received a mixed response from EU leaders with some describing it as a "good start" but calling for more detail. Speaking at a joint press conference with French president Emmanuel Macron, German Chancellor Angela Merkel said there was a "long way to go". "That was a good beginning but - and I'm trying to word this very carefully - it was not a breakthrough," she said.

"We don't want a wedge to be driven between us. We do want to make our interests very clear and if there is no guarantee for the full freedoms, then this exercise will have to lead to a situation where there are certain effects on the future relationship between the UK and the 27 member states."

Mr Tusk, who represents the other EU 27 nations, said the EU would "analyse line by line" the UK's proposals when they were published in full but his "first impression is that the UK's offer is below our expectations and that it risks worsening the situation of citizens". And Joseph Muscat, the prime minister of Malta - who currently holds the rotating presidency of the EU - warned of people being "treated differently" depending on when they arrived in the UK.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-hard-theresa-may-tory-labour-lib-dems-eu-mps-remain-alliance-defeat-a7805581.html

Hard Brexit under threat as MPs from all parties plan alliance to defeat Theresa May's plans

'Certainly, the threat of losing a vote will weigh very heavily on the Government’s mind,’ says Tory MP Anna Soubry

 

theresa-may.jpg

 

 

MPs from all parties are already planning an alliance to defeat Theresa May’s plans for a hard Brexit, just days into the new Parliament. Strategies to amend future legislation – including a key immigration bill – to force ministers to listen to business groups and to show the EU that Parliament wants a “softer” exit are being drawn up, The Independent has learned.

One Conservative MP said the aim was to give confidence to “bullied” ministers who are reluctant to “speak out”, despite sharing the view that the Prime Minister’s plans put Britain on the road to disaster. Another MP outlined the importance of convincing Brussels that Parliament can “coordinate” to present a different, more EU-friendly policy to that of the Government.

“It would really show how power has shifted if Parliament can coordinate itself – and that’s not impossible,” the MP said. Pro-EU Tory Anna Soubry told The Independent: “We are talking to each other and will continue to talk to each other – this is something that transcends normal party political considerations. “It doesn’t have to be about forcing votes, but it may come to that. Certainly, the threat of losing a vote will weigh very heavily on the Government’s mind.”

The threat emerged as Ms May suffered a bruising encounter in Brussels, where the EU torpedoed her “generous offer” on the fate of EU citizens, warning it would make their situation worse. Some of the MPs want to keep Britain in the EU single market and customs union, although others involved may not be not willing to go that far.

One target will be the Immigration Bill, announced in the Queen’s Speech, because the extent of new controls could be crucial in determining how close Britain can stay to the single market. The Independent, along with Open Britain, has campaigned for Ms May to drop the target of reducing annual net migration to tens of thousands.

Another MP spoke of giving voice to changing public opinion, amid the first evidence that some people who voted Leave a year ago are changing their minds. Ms Soubry added: “I am up for working with everybody. Hopefully something concrete will come out of it, because this is the most important thing that’s been done in decades.”

She said she was in contact with some of the 34 Labour MPs who, this week, challenged Jeremy Corbyn to change course by fighting to stay in the single market. Chris Leslie, a former Labour minister, said: “There are discussions informally and my door is always open to MPs from any party, because we have got to put the country first.”

Fellow Labour MP Chuka Umunna MP said: “I know there are many Conservatives, Liberal Democrats and others who reject the Prime Minister’s plan for a chaotic, ideological Brexit, and agree with me that working people will be better off by the UK staying in the single market and customs union.”

Sir Vince Cable, the Liberal Democrat leadership contender, has also spoken of how “tribal differences between the parties have broken down”, as Brexit looms. "Informally all kinds of networks are being established and I have been sounded out by several of them,” Sir Vince said.

“There are a lot of Conservative MPs who may not have put up a flag called Remain but are very, very worried about the more extreme options on the table and would like to keep either the customs union, or the single market, or both.” MPs from all parties recognise the greater opportunities for Parliament to wield influence, after the Conservatives lost their majority at the general election.

With no fewer than eight Brexit bills planned, crunch votes loom on future customs arrangements, agriculture and other issues, as well as on immigration controls. The discussions are tentative until Ms May has passed her Queen’s Speech next week – with the backing of the Democratic Unionist Party, she still expects to do so.

Two former Tory cabinet ministers have also made clear their determination to put together a “sensible cross-party majority” to head off the economic damage from refusing to compromise in the exit talks. Ken Clarke told the Commons it could “easily command” the future agenda, if MPs put aside party rivalries and worked together. “Let us show that we can rise above things. I am glad to know that channels are already open to the Liberals and the Labour party – as well as the Scottish National Party, I am sure,” the veteran MP said.

Former Attorney General Dominic Grieve backed him, saying: “If we do not get this right, we will be in very serious trouble. The question is how Parliament goes about ensuring that we come to the right outcome.” The cross-party challenge presents a further headache for Ms May, after Britain caved in to the EU on its attempt to force an immediate start to talks on future trade.

Those negotiations will only take place if and when the EU judges “enough progress” has been made on the rights of EU citizens, the size of Britain’s “divorce bill” and the Irish border, Brexit Secretary David Davis conceded.

 

 

 

:madgemanson:        :IMG_1564:

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I watched the movie Paddington yesterday.  I had a lazy afternoon and outside was so hot I decided to watch some light films.  Was so surprised how the message of Paddington is in fact a cry about the state of UK (and other countries,  let's face it)  regarding immigrants and refugees.  A film for kids but with a very serious message. In the end the Peruvian refugee discovered how hard it was to find open people in a country that was famous for its open mind. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Parliament hit by cyber attack as hackers attempt to access MPs' email accounts

2Q==

Hackers launch 'sustained and determined attack' on all parliamentary user accounts 

Hackers have targeted Parliament’s email system in an attempt to access the accounts of hundreds of MPs, Lords, aides and staff.

Security services to shut down access for anyone not in Westminster as part of efforts to secure the network.

“The Houses of Parliament have discovered unauthorised attempts to access parliamentary user accounts,” a parliamentary spokesperson told The Independent.

“We are continuing to investigate this incident and take further measures to secure the computer network, liaising with the National Cyber Security Centre (NCSC). 

“We have systems in place to protect member and staff accounts and are taking the necessary steps to protect our systems.”

MPs were told of the cyber attack on Friday night and said they were unable to access their emails the following morning.

An email sent to everyone using a parliamentary address said “unusual activity and evidence of an attempted cyber attack” had been discovered.

“Closer investigation by our team confirmed that hackers were carrying out a sustained and determined attack on all parliamentary user accounts in attempt to identify weak passwords,” said a message seen by the Huffington Post.

“These attempts specifically were trying to gain access to users’ emails.”

It said changes had been made to the system to prevent the attackers gaining access, shutting down remove access to emails and unspecified services via mobile one, but access to systems on the Westminster state itself was unaffected. 

It came days after reports that Russian hackers had put passwords belonging to senior ministers, ambassadors and senior police officers up for sale online.

Two lists of stolen data included the log-in details of 1,000 British MPs and parliamentary staff, 7,000 police employees and more than 1,000 Foreign Office officials, The Times reported.

The information was believed to have been stolen from LinkedIn, MySpace and other smaller sites, with many passwords “easy to guess” incorporating memorable numbers and relatives’ names.

Official guidance from the NCSCs states that hackers use software that automatically predicts minor variations to passwords including the substitution of letters for numbers, warning not worsen vulnerability by using the same password for accounts at work and home.

Members of the Commons and Lords were giving out alternative contact details on Saturday as the security services continued their work.

Fears of a cyber attack on Parliament increased following the successful hacks targeting emails related to Hillary Clinton and Emmanuel Macron’s presidential campaigns.

The UK was also rocked by the WannaCry ransomware attack that hit computers running outdated versions of Microsoft Windows around the world last month.

Infecting more than 230,000 computers in 150 countries, it had a devastating effect on the NHS as computers were left displaying only a page demanding bitcoin payments to de-crypt files.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/parliament-cyber-attack-mp-email-accounts-houses-commons-politicians-security-police-a7806456.html

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Considering the amount of government body's that can get unwarranted access to my emails I struggle to be sympathetic, I'd be more interested to see their internet history.

According to reports they got passwords from things like myspace?

Bunch of out of touch fucking idiots as expected.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Did this thread go on holiday along with me? :bad: :wow:

Filthy racist TORY MP suspended (not expelled of course) from party for using the N-WORD...

Tory MP Anne Marie Morris Recorded Saying Brexit No Deal Is A ‘N***** In A Woodpile’

No reaction from other Tory MPs on the panel.

A Tory Brexiteer has described the UK leaving the EU without a deal as a “real n*****r in the woodpile” at a meeting of eurosceptics in Central London.

Anne Marie Morris, MP for Newton Abbot since 2010, made the astonishing remark while discussing what financial services deal the UK could strike with Brussels after 2019.

Despite using the racist term, none of her fellow panelists, including Tory MPs Bill Cash and John Redwood, reacted. 

After saying just 7% of financial services in the UK would be affected by Brexit, Morris said: “Now I’m sure there will be many people who’ll challenge that, but my response and my request is look at the detail, it isn’t all doom and gloom.

“Now we get to the real n****r in the woodpile which is in two years what happens if there is no deal?”

After HuffPost UK published her remarks, Morris said: “The comment was totally unintentional. I apologise unreservedly for any offence caused.”

Asked about the MP’s comments, Theresa May told the Commons: “I think it is beholden on us all to ensure we use appropriate language at all times.” 

The comments came at the launch of a report into the future for the UK’s lucrative financial sector after Brexit on Monday lunchtime.

The launch was held at the exclusive East India Club in St James Square, a few hundred yards from the Mall, and organised by the Politeia group - which describes itself as “A forum for social and economic thinking”.

Audience member Colton Richards was appalled by Morris’s comments.

He told HuffPost UK: “It was disgusting to hear those comments by somebody in public life.

“It was almost as though she felt like she was talking to her friends in a private audience.”

Liberal Democrat leader Tim Farron said: “This disgusting comment belongs in the era of the Jim Crow laws and has no place in our parliament.

“The Conservative Party should withdraw the whip from Anne Marie Morris and they should do it today. 

“Every hour they leave her in place, is a stain on them and the so called ‘compassionate conservatism’ they supposedly espouse.

“I am utterly shocked that this person represents the good people of Newton Abbot.

“Even if she misspoke this is the nastiest thing I’ve heard an MP utter since Lord Dixon Smith uttered the same awful phrase a few years ago.”

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

^  Dreadful that none of her party members even reacted to her disgusting racism.  :wacko:  

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
Sign in to follow this  

×