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2 hours ago, Ciccone's Cheeks said:

Yeah more and more it def. seems that Bobby Brown was possibly the least of her problems. Yes, he's a dirt bag but that 'marriage' reeks from arranged shit (a front to hide her true love Robin). You think? Her mother is a raging homophobe ice queen (verry similar vibes and demeanor to MJs evil father) and Davis looks as slimy, cold and greedy and Weinstein. I feel in my gut the family situation and 'management', enablers etc...who destroyed her. The fact that Davis wanted his Grammy party or whatever it was to continue even after knowing she died in that same hotel sums it all up. At the minimum the mother and Clive Davis were def 2 of her upper tier demons who took her down. 

Far as absolute STAR power even at her most cracked out Whitney always had the pipes and presence 100x more than Mariahs best f'king day. Whitney didn't need to dance, moronic hand gestures, stupid gimmicks, rent a dopey gay backup dancer(s) etc etc...Non of the bullshit circus. Whitney at her prime could just 'stand there' and get away with it unlike Mimi, Gaga, X-Tina and all the other American Idol garbage Whitney wannabes. 

Agree @Ciccone's Cheeks   With every word. 

Clive Davis was a controlling cold man. He knew how to initially promote her and make her a superstar. He moulded her career brilliantly but both he and Cissy were heartless people.  He seemed ultra controlling but did not step in when it was obvious she had become a self destructive addict. 

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It's interesting in the docu how much it shook her when her own community turned her back on her because she has sold her style to white music.  They implied that that was the first step into self hating. 

I didn't know either that she came from such a horrible background with kids using drugs when they were like 13. 

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12 hours ago, Ciccone's Cheeks said:

Yeah more and more it def. seems that Bobby Brown was possibly the least of her problems. Yes, he's a dirt bag but that 'marriage' reeks from arranged shit (a front to hide her true love Robin). You think? Her mother is a raging homophobe ice queen (verry similar vibes and demeanor to MJs evil father) and Davis looks as slimy, cold and greedy and Weinstein. I feel in my gut the family situation and 'management', enablers etc...who destroyed her. The fact that Davis wanted his Grammy party or whatever it was to continue even after knowing she died in that same hotel sums it all up. At the minimum the mother and Clive Davis were def 2 of her upper tier demons who took her down. 

Far as absolute STAR power even at her most cracked out Whitney always had the pipes and presence 100x more than Mariahs best f'king day. Whitney didn't need to dance, moronic hand gestures, stupid gimmicks, rent a dopey gay backup dancer(s) etc etc...Non of the bullshit circus. Whitney at her prime could just 'stand there' and get away with it unlike Mimi, Gaga, X-Tina and all the other American Idol garbage Whitney wannabes. 

Aretha, Tina, Whitney, Billie Holiday, Janis Joplin and Diana Ross are among the few female vocalists with big pipes who I can listen to without cringing because they actually knew how to utilize their voice as an instrument and never bothered resorting to forced high notes because they had this natural emotive tone.

Fraudga, X-Tuna, Tamar and Toni Braxton, Nicole Shitzinger, Butt Chin Flopvato, Jennifer Hudson, Fergie and Jessie J are just a few examples on a long list of overpraised and unplesant "singers"

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I guess it's a question of trends. Now all of them seem to SHOUT. To struggle. Maybe it is our ear what is not used to that and repels it? My hubby, which is younger than me (how Madonna of me!) is very happy with performances such as Gaga singing The Sound of Music. I guess he was rised with other referents. 

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On 14/11/2017 at 1:09 PM, Marco said:

Aretha, Tina, Whitney, Billie Holiday, Janis Joplin and Diana Ross are among the few female vocalists with big pipes who I can listen to without cringing because they actually knew how to utilize their voice as an instrument and never bothered resorting to forced high notes because they had this natural emotive tone.

Fraudga, X-Tuna, Tamar and Toni Braxton, Nicole Shitzinger, Butt Chin Flopvato, Jennifer Hudson, Fergie and Jessie J are just a few examples on a long list of overpraised and unplesant "singers"

Yes to all of them except Toni. I love her voice - so sultry and rich. She certainly doesnt warble and is often quite restrained. The rest are a horror show.

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23 hours ago, Crozzauk said:

Yes to all of them except Toni. I love her voice - so sultry and rich. She certainly doesnt warble and is often quite restrained. The rest are a horror show.

Yes, now that I think about it Toni does have a nice sultry voice but I mostly included her because she’s had unpleasant moments of oversinging

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That documentary was so uninteresting... I don't know. Either it's I just don't care for Whitney at all or her career and life have really been dull as f...

And these outtakes from her tour in Germany. Frankfurt, Leipzig, Mannheim ... lol! Talking to the audience who, when it comes to understanding English is usually so thick, even more so back in the 90s... 

I don't want to be disrespectful, but that was extremely boring. Maybe it's just the documentary itself is not very well made. It just left me with the impression Whitney was pretty much stupid and shallow. 

 

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21 hours ago, Lolo said:

It just left me with the impression Whitney was pretty much stupid and shallow. 

I might get crucified for saying this, but Whitney didn't have too much common sense (had a voice)....a basic clueless person.  No control or interest into what she actually wanted.  Let others control her and her career.  Sad, but true.  I hate to say "victim", but when you put yourself in that position and surround yourself with people that are there for their benefit, you get what you asked for.

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On 2017-11-16 at 6:36 AM, karbatal said:

I guess it's a question of trends. Now all of them seem to SHOUT. To struggle. Maybe it is our ear what is not used to that and repels it? My hubby, which is younger than me (how Madonna of me!) is very happy with performances such as Gaga singing The Sound of Music. I guess he was rised with other referents. 

These are the consequences of 20 years of singing reality show. People are no longer able to tell the difference between a talented singer and a screamer. I could not believe all these people (I'm not talking about the media because I'm used to their Gaga's ass kissing) who said how amazing Gaga was after her performance of The Sounds of Music. for me it was the best example of how terribly limited she is as an interpreter.

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20 hours ago, todsmod said:

I might get crucified for saying this, but Whitney didn't have too much common sense (had a voice)....a basic clueless person.  No control or interest into what she actually wanted.  Let others control her and her career.  Sad, but true.  I hate to say "victim", but when you put yourself in that position and surround yourself with people that are there for their benefit, you get what you asked for.

Of course, Whitney had a strong, empathetic voice and classic songs, but very BLAH as a person and as a creative force...

Her dumb fans need to need to have more insight when they TRY and FAIL to come for Madonna.:boxing::chuckle:

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2 hours ago, Martin B. said:

These are the consequences of 20 years of singing reality show. People are no longer able to tell the difference between a talented singer and a screamer. I could not believe all these people (I'm not talking about the media because I'm used to their Gaga's ass kissing) who said how amazing Gaga was after her performance of The Sounds of Music. for me it was the best example of how terribly limited she is as an interpreter.

Taylor Swift doesn't fall under that "screamer" category though and she's the biggest star these days. And Taylor >>>> Cuntga, of course. 

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Im pretty much pissed there are so many music documentaries on Netflix (Whitney, Michael, the unmentionable 💩, and so maaaany others) but of course no Truth Or Dare. Why oh why? 

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5 hours ago, Martin B. said:

These are the consequences of 20 years of singing reality show. People are no longer able to tell the difference between a talented singer and a screamer. I could not believe all these people (I'm not talking about the media because I'm used to their Gaga's ass kissing) who said how amazing Gaga was after her performance of The Sounds of Music. for me it was the best example of how terribly limited she is as an interpreter.

Yes, so sad but true.  Why I hate those dreadful shows with a passion. All about showing your range and pipes etc. It is what the judges look for. The so called great voices who can reach notes and scream them.  Having a huge range does not make someone a great singer. The funniest part is people don't really want to hear that type of singing because it is unpleasant to listen to.  Why these reality talent show winners never go far anymore. 

Feeling, interpretation and understanding how to convey the lyrics of the song are incredibly important and should never be under valued in a singer.  

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4 hours ago, Jazzy Jan said:

Yes, so sad but true.  Why I hate those dreadful shows with a passion. All about showing your range and pipes etc. It is what the judges look for. The so called great voices who can reach notes and scream them.  Having a huge range does not make someone a great singer. The funniest part is people don't really want to hear that type of singing because it is unpleasant to listen to.  Why these reality talent show winners never go far anymore. 

Feeling, interpretation and understanding how to convey the lyrics of the song are incredibly important and should never be under valued in a singer.  

I kept trying to think of how to compare a screamer vs. an emotive/lovely tone.  The thing that kept coming to mind was birds...in my trees in the backyard.  Every morning there's a couple of crows...gawking and screaming.  A sound I find so annoying.  Then there's these tiny wrens.  They have the sweetest little chirps and melodies.  I'll take that soft/sweet chirp of the wren over that loud gawking of the crow any day!!!  Tweet Tweet vs. AAHHNNN AAHHNNNN!!!  

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3 hours ago, todsmod said:

I kept trying to think of how to compare a screamer vs. an emotive/lovely tone.  The thing that kept coming to mind was birds...in my trees in the backyard.  Every morning there's a couple of crows...gawking and screaming.  A sound I find so annoying.  Then there's these tiny wrens.  They have the sweetest little chirps and melodies.  I'll take that soft/sweet chirp of the wren over that loud gawking of the crow any day!!!  Tweet Tweet vs. AAHHNNN AAHHNNNN!!!  

Love this comparison Todsmod. 

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8 hours ago, todsmod said:

I kept trying to think of how to compare a screamer vs. an emotive/lovely tone.  The thing that kept coming to mind was birds...in my trees in the backyard.  Every morning there's a couple of crows...gawking and screaming.  A sound I find so annoying.  Then there's these tiny wrens.  They have the sweetest little chirps and melodies.  I'll take that soft/sweet chirp of the wren over that loud gawking of the crow any day!!!  Tweet Tweet vs. AAHHNNN AAHHNNNN!!!  

This. :lol:

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On 11/19/2017 at 2:28 PM, Jazzy Jan said:

Yes, so sad but true.  Why I hate those dreadful shows with a passion. All about showing your range and pipes etc. It is what the judges look for. The so called great voices who can reach notes and scream them.  Having a huge range does not make someone a great singer. The funniest part is people don't really want to hear that type of singing because it is unpleasant to listen to.  Why these reality talent show winners never go far anymore. 

Feeling, interpretation and understanding how to convey the lyrics of the song are incredibly important and should never be under valued in a singer.  

THIS.

These kids today ain't got no soul.

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On 11/19/2017 at 6:50 PM, todsmod said:

I kept trying to think of how to compare a screamer vs. an emotive/lovely tone.  The thing that kept coming to mind was birds...in my trees in the backyard.  Every morning there's a couple of crows...gawking and screaming.  A sound I find so annoying.  Then there's these tiny wrens.  They have the sweetest little chirps and melodies.  I'll take that soft/sweet chirp of the wren over that loud gawking of the crow any day!!!  Tweet Tweet vs. AAHHNNN AAHHNNNN!!!  

:lmao:

:clap::clap::clap:  YYYEEESSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!

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4 hours ago, VogueMusic said:

THIS.

These kids today ain't got no soul.

This.

That's why their songs come and go and leave no trace.

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:lol:

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On 20/11/2017 at 2:50 AM, todsmod said:

I kept trying to think of how to compare a screamer vs. an emotive/lovely tone.  The thing that kept coming to mind was birds...in my trees in the backyard.  Every morning there's a couple of crows...gawking and screaming.  A sound I find so annoying.  Then there's these tiny wrens.  They have the sweetest little chirps and melodies.  I'll take that soft/sweet chirp of the wren over that loud gawking of the crow any day!!!  Tweet Tweet vs. AAHHNNN AAHHNNNN!!!  

I texted this quote to a friend of mine who loves Demi Lovato and he felt so agitated that he actually vowed to never utter a word to me again :lol2:

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4 minutes ago, Marco said:

I texted this quote to a friend of mine who loves Demi Lovato and he felt so agitated that he actually vowed to never utter a word to me again :lol2:

:lmao:

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