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14 minutes ago, Lolo said:

We had Lennox, Paglia, Crow, Harry, now LuPone... who does it next week? 

I hate this.

Ive not read any positive press on Madonna for ages now.

People are fikle though, if she had Ray of Light this year everyone would love her.

But because she's dipped back into her Dita image she's hated.

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1 hour ago, MeakMaker said:

This woman I don't even know must be on some strong shit. Madonna was legendary in Evita. She did an incredible job and by saying I watched theBuenos Aires video on MTV and it was a pile of shit I mean come on.. that's not just a massive shade towards Madonna but towards everybody involved in the project from the director to all the other actors. If she had said same thing regarding other movies like Next Best Thing or Swept Away then I would have kind of expected it but Evita is a masterpiece. Madonna's pop voice works wonders with the music. I'm wondering if this woman's Evita OST sold more than Madonna's. I could tell she was going to massively shade Madonna as soon as Madonna's name was mentioned. She pulled that bitchy face... oh well, another nobody trying to get some headlines by shading the most successful solo artist ever. 

MFTE! I just hate the fact that this dumb bitch not only came for Madonna but for her stellar performance in Evita and just simply trashed it, while at the same time tarnishing it, because she could since according to people she was the one that originated it giving her automatic right.

Now you have assholes being well Petty LePen is a much better singer than Madonna blah, fucking blah! Same old tired bullshit! Madonna never getting her due credit.

Also, it's very telling what people think of Madonna just by the WWHL video, like, if you click on the video the amount of likes versus dislikes is very telling how much people absolutely HATE Madonna. Reading comments such as, "She ain't wrong", "Petty's giving me life rn", and "She's telling it like it is/not afraid to speak her mind", etc.. You simply can't ignore the hate for M.

And damn it, Andy needs to get dragged through the dirt for this shit enough is enough! Damn it!

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40 minutes ago, Confessit said:

I hate this.

Ive not read any positive press on Madonna for ages now.

People are fikle though, if she had Ray of Light this year everyone would love her.

But because she's dipped back into her Dita image she's hated.

Even ROL would be trashed now.

Madonna is the least respected legend out there. I don't know what are people thinking TBF....her career should speak for itself but somehow it's like people ignore it. 

:banghead:

Now not even Evita is free from the bashing, it's just ridiculous and sad.

 

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Because Madonna is an unapologetic bitch and people just can't handle it they are threatened by her

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Guys,

BBC Music News wrote the following piece on the story:

Madonna is a 'movie killer' says stage legend

Madonna in Evita
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"She's dead behind the eyes. She couldn't act her way out of a paper bag." 

Wowsers, Broadway legend Patti Lupone didn't give Madonna an inch when she critiqued her Golden Globe-nominated role as Eva Peron in the 1996 movie Evita.

The multi Emmy and Grammy-winning stage actress took a swipe at the Material Girl on an episode of US chat show Watch What Happens Live With Andy Cohen.

The role of Peron was originally played by Lupone on Broadway in 1979. 

She told Cohen: "She's a wonderful performer for what she does, but she is not an actress.

"Madonna is a movie killer."  

Watch below - but warning, there is a bleeped out swearword.

Link here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/events/evfwhn/live/ccrnc8?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=591436d4e4b05b6937f604aa%26Madonna is a 'movie killer' says stage legend%26&ns_fee=0#post_591436d4e4b05b6937f604aa

 

In such a short piece, the BBC retold Madonna history more than one time. First they call LuPone a 'stage legend', while no such adjectives are used for M. Then they talk about LuPone as 'the multi Emmy and Grammy-winning stage actress', while no similar mention is made to M.

Then, and for me the most serious one, it mentions Madonna's role as the "Golden Globe-nominated role as Eva Peron", when in fact she won the fucking Golden Globe. This is fucking serious... It's like media are attempting to erase M's achievements. 

If you guys want to join me, write to them via twitter or facebook and get them to correct the story. This is just incorrect and bad journalism.

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15 minutes ago, headonfire said:

Guys,

BBC Music News wrote the following piece on the story:

Madonna is a 'movie killer' says stage legend

Madonna in Evita
Getty Images

"She's dead behind the eyes. She couldn't act her way out of a paper bag." 

Wowsers, Broadway legend Patti Lupone didn't give Madonna an inch when she critiqued her Golden Globe-nominated role as Eva Peron in the 1996 movie Evita.

The multi Emmy and Grammy-winning stage actress took a swipe at the Material Girl on an episode of US chat show Watch What Happens Live With Andy Cohen.

The role of Peron was originally played by Lupone on Broadway in 1979. 

She told Cohen: "She's a wonderful performer for what she does, but she is not an actress.

"Madonna is a movie killer."  

Watch below - but warning, there is a bleeped out swearword.

Link here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/events/evfwhn/live/ccrnc8?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=591436d4e4b05b6937f604aa%26Madonna is a 'movie killer' says stage legend%26&ns_fee=0#post_591436d4e4b05b6937f604aa

 

In such a short piece, the BBC retold Madonna history more than one time. First they call LuPone a 'stage legend', while no such adjectives are used for M. Then they talk about LuPone as 'the multi Emmy and Grammy-winning stage actress', while no similar mention is made to M.

Then, and for me the most serious one, it mentions Madonna's role as the "Golden Globe-nominated role as Eva Peron", when in fact she won the fucking Golden Globe. This is fucking serious... It's like media are attempting to erase M's achievements. 

If you guys want to join me, write to them via twitter or facebook and get them to correct the story. This is just incorrect and bad journalism.

I agree that this is frustrating, but I don't think it's intentional. The Golden Globe mistake is just lazy/bad journalism. And citing LuPone's awards and saying who she is is probably because no one fucking knows who she is outside of Broadway. LOL.

2 hours ago, Confessit said:

I hate this.

Ive not read any positive press on Madonna for ages now.

People are fikle though, if she had Ray of Light this year everyone would love her.

But because she's dipped back into her Dita image she's hated.

I know that you're saying she's being provocative and sexual, but sorry, what she's doing these days is far from the Madonna of 1992. 

Anyway, I think focusing on all of this negativity is toxic. I wish we could move on.

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I don't know her

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8 minutes ago, vocalism said:

I agree that this is frustrating, but I don't think it's intentional. The Golden Globe mistake is just lazy/bad journalism. And citing LuPone's awards and saying who she is is probably because no one fucking knows who she is outside of Broadway. LOL.

I understand what you mean... But it's just really frustrating.

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Flashback

MADONNA: POSSESSED BY ``EVITA''

by Roger Ebert

December 26, 1996

LOS ANGELES--Madonna, who has always insisted she was the best choice to play Eva Peron, may have been right. It is not only that she holds the screen with charisma and force in the film version of "Evita," but that she understands from the inside out how Evita invented herself - how she used fashion and stage presence and personal flair to make herself seem bigger than life.

Consider the problem of the president of Argentina. Alan Parker, the director, requested permission to shoot on Eva Peron's famous balcony in the Plaza De Mayo in Buenos Aires. Permission was denied. Every member of the Cabinet was approached. No soap. Finally Madonna went personally to make a call on the president. After their conversation, permission was granted to use the sacred balcony.

"What did you use on him?" I asked her. "Psychic power?"

"I think it was excellent-smelling perfume," she said. "I think at that point I was possessed by her. I went in costume to the meeting, and I think that he picked up on my passion for her, or suddenly saw a different point of view."

It is not too big a stretch to envision the original Evita making a call to the presidential office, also with passion, also with perfume, and getting what she wanted. The other actresses considered for the role (and they are both wonderful: Meryl Streepand Michelle Pfeiffer) would have brought other qualities, but can you imagine either one of them deciding which perfume would best seduce the president?

Evita was the rock star as politician's wife. She adored the movies. She would not have been oblivious to the cult of personality that fed on such personages as Churchill, Hitler or DeGaulle. Born poor and illegitimate, she understood how the movies fed the souls of the disenfranchised with images of power and glamor. She used that knowledge to create herself in the image of a star, and then she found the politician to whom she could attach herself (or was it Evita who swept Juan Peron behind her?).

"Most of her politics were instinctive," Madonna told me. This was the day before the movie's Hollywood press premiere, in early December (the film opens nationally on Wednesday). "Peron was the person who understood the dogma of politics. He was the intellectual of the two, and she had the natural instincts. She was the person that could relate to the people and that's why they worked so good together and that's why they were so great for each other. She totally operated on street smarts and instincts, absolutely."

And so, some would say, has Madonna, who also willed herself to worldwide celebrity, who reinvents her image with each tour and has done it yet again, trading in the strutting sleaze queen for her new incarnation as serious musical star and new mother.

She seemed quieter, more thoughtful, when I talked to her; there was none of the cheerful desire to shock that I remembered from the 1991 Cannes Film Festival, when she paused on the steps of the Palais and threw open her cloak to reveal what appeared to be stainless steel underwear. Remembering her standing there, bathed in floodlights, covered on every TV channel in Europe, cheered by thousands of fans, I asked her what Evita was thinking about as she stood on the Plaza De Mayo balcony. In the movie, it is the moment of her great early triumph, when she realizes she has reached the summit.

"I think that she must have felt incredibly loved," Madonna said. "I think she must have felt a real sense of victory, of accomplishment. When you spend your entire life having people say you'll never amount to anything or you're no good or you don't have what it takes, to finally have achieved what she achieved must have been the ultimate revenge."

And, I continued, what were you thinking when you stood on the red carpet in front of the Palais de Festival in Cannes, and the band was playing and the paparazzi were going crazy - what does that feel like for someone? Is it like Evita's feelings?

"It's a rush, that's for sure," she said. "Especially the first time it happens. It's incredibly overwhelming; it's confusing. And you do feel an enormous sense of love. Yeah."

I think a rock star was a good choice for this role, because you know what it feels like to be the spotlight of this kind of mob adoration, I said. Mainstream actresses work mostly just in front of a camera, and never have that experience.

"Well, she definitely fed off the energy of the people, and she whipped them up into frenzy, that's for sure," Madonna replied. "And she gave them what they wanted. They wanted her to dress up; they wanted her to come out with the fantastic hats and the beautiful jewels and the incredible hairdo. They wanted someone to look up to, especially because she came from poverty. She was from the working class, and they could say to themselves, well, look, she did it, and if she did it, I can do it."

How do people envision that? How do they invent that for themselves?

"You mean, your everyday Joe on the street?"

Let's put it this way, most of us never put ourselves on a path to get ourselves in front of 10,000 screaming people. Some of us do. You have to be able to imagine yourself in that position.

"I can assure you I never imagined myself in front of 10,000 people. Since I was a child (I cannot lie) I've always enjoyed having an audience - but 10,000 people is something you cannot imagine. It evolves into that. I can honestly say I never expected what's happened to me, and I could never have expected, like, performing, for instance, in a soccer stadium in front of 120,000 people."

After I said it, I realized 10,000 was a pretty conservative number. When she arrived in Argentina to play Eva Peron, however, Madonna was not welcomed like Evita's second coming. There were demonstrations, there was rude graffiti on the road from the airport, and she was greeted with protests, headlines, resentment, even hatred.

People wanted Madonna to. . .

". . . get out! I think they were angry that, you know, that we were coming in and making a movie about their heroine when they hadn't done it themselves. I think that kind of ticked them off. And then there were the people who thought she was a saint. They thought only Mother Teresa could portray her in a movie. Then there were other people who thought she was a sinner, and they didn't want a tribute being made to her. So it got very confusing.

"If you go out into the provinces, they still have her picture on their walls. She had a profound effect on these people. I can't explain it. Plus, she died so young, and she's been kept alive in that sort of myth-making machine."

The protests helped to firm the government's opposition to allowing Madonna to film (or even stand) on Evita's balcony. But then the president came around.

"I think up until that point, all he had to go on was hearsay," she said. "The stage version of the musical portrays a very one-dimensional version of her. It doesn't show her in a very humane way; it doesn't show any vulnerability, it doesn't explain her past. Alan Parker had the chance to do that in a movie, and I explained that to the president. I also think that once he heard the music, he was very moved by it. I played him a lot of the stuff that we had already recorded, and I think that I convinced him that we were going to treat her in a respectful manner in the film."

The music was already recorded, because, of course, there was no way to record live soundtracks in scenes on location with thousands of extras and marching troops and roaring engines and cheering throngs. In a film with almost no spoken dialogue - it's sung all the way through, like an opera - the music had to be perfect. The director couldn't march his thousands of extras back and forth for days while the actors worked on a note. So the score was recorded in England, and then in Argentina the actors had to match every nuance of it.

"What we had to do was a very long process," Madonna said. "First, we had to rehearse the scenes with all the actors right in a room and get the physicality of everything and the right sort of emotional intensity. Then we went into the recording studio and did the same thing. Then we got separated into different isolation booths and we could see each other through the Plexiglas and we were still acting the scenes out. It was very bizarre.

"Then there were a lot of scenes that we weren't sure about, so we had options. We would have subtler takes on things and more dynamic takes on things, so that when we were filming we would have choices. The last third of the movie, which is certainly the most emotional portion of the movie, for the most part we did live because there's no way we could have matched everything. You can't cry on cue. I was very happy that we got to do those scenes live. That was the best."

In most movies, I said, everything depends on the star, the subject of the shot. But here you had a lot of shots where everything depended upon these enormous military-style logistics with the extras and the troops and all the spotlights, and when they got everything going, then you had to hit your mark, bang!, and if you didn't do it then they had to do it all over again. That must have been difficult.

"It was. On the other hand, it was a lot like when you're on tour and you're doing a full-scale show that involves an incredible amount of lights and choreography and musicians and you have to hit marks then, too. It's kind of similar."

In the days leading up to the premiere, Madonna was also playing the role of new mother. A suite was reserved for her in the Marina Del Rey hotel where her interviews took place, and she slipped upstairs for mothering time on a regular basis. People who had been around her a lot said she seemed calmer, quieter.

"I feel that," she said.

Is that what happens?

"I think it's been a combination. First, making this movie, which was such a challenge and such a learning experience. It was two years of my life, and it was so fulfilling to me as an artist. It gave me the chance to work on every aspect of my life, of myself, as a creative person. Then having a child has also been incredibly fulfilling and centering. Both of those things have changed me."

Did people tell you that it was bad for the trajectory of your stage and recording career to take off two years and work on a film project that wasn't your main job, so to speak?

"Not one person told me I shouldn't do this. Everyone thought it was a great idea."

But it's unconventional to say for two years that you're not going to tour, you're not going to do anything but focus on this movie.

"This is true. But I'm no stranger to unconventional."

http://www.rogerebert.com/interviews/madonna-possessed-by-evita

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2 hours ago, Lolo said:

We had Lennox, Paglia, Crow, Harry, now LuPone... who does it next week? 

Kellyanne Conway:chuckle:

 

 

 

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12 pages? 

 

For what!?

 

 

Her opinion of Madonna is just as irrelevant as anyone else's.

 

 

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The GAG is that a movie released 21 years ago has become a trending topic once again. THE POWER OF MADONNA :dramatic:

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1 hour ago, vocalism said:

I agree that this is frustrating, but I don't think it's intentional. The Golden Globe mistake is just lazy/bad journalism. And citing LuPone's awards and saying who she is is probably because no one fucking knows who she is outside of Broadway. LOL.

A quick google search of "Evita Movie" brings up awards won: Golden Globe Best Actress. This IS NOT lazy journalism, THIS IS AN ATTEMPT TO REWRITE HISTORY. The public reads that and come away thinking Madonna was only nominated for the Golden Globe, she DID NOT WIN. It is intentional. It is part of a HATE CAMPAIGN. There is NO WAY they just got it wrong.  

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I haven't had a chance to comment much in this forum. I've honestly just been so busy with work that I haven't had the time. Busy season.

But, this bitch got some headlines. It's really nothing more.

I understand the frustration, anger, and outrage over her comments. They're blatantly unfair, untrue, and just so mean spirited. But it's obvious to anyone as to where they're coming from given the trajectory of Patti's career. I mean, what's she known for right now? A guest stint on AHS as a holy rolling mother who gave her son bleach enema's and died by having a witch force to swallow the same bleach she tortured her son with. That's it. And quite honestly, would many individuals even recognize that it was the same person?

I haven't read through every page of this topic. And if I'm repeating things, pardon me. But while these comments go above and beyond anything Goldfrapp, Debbie Harry, and anyone else have said (Sorry, but Annie Lennox did NOT slam Madonna) they still say more about Patti LuPone than Madonna. What Patti said isn't about Madonna's role in Evita, they're about Madonna as whole. And this is nothing new. Nothing new to any Madonna fan who has followed her since she burst onto the scene and has been proving people like this wrong every single step of the way.

I wasn't worried about her legacy being 'erased' in 1992, 2004, and I'm certainly not worried about it now. Madonna transcends generations and pop culture in ways that her detractors could only dream of doing. And nothing Patti fucking LuPone says is going to change that. Ever. 

 

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8 minutes ago, KalamazooJay said:

I haven't had a chance to comment much in this forum. I've honestly just been so busy with work that I haven't had the time. Busy season.

But, this bitch got some headlines. It's really nothing more.

I understand the frustration, anger, and outrage over her comments. They're blatantly unfair, untrue, and just so mean spirited. But it's obvious to anyone as to where they're coming from given the trajectory of Patti's career. I mean, what's she known for right now? A guest stint on AHS as a holy rolling mother who gave her son bleach enema's and died by having a witch force to swallow the same bleach she tortured her son with. That's it. And quite honestly, would many individuals even recognize that it was the same person?

I haven't read through every page of this topic. And if I'm repeating things, pardon me. But while these comments go above and beyond anything Goldfrapp, Debbie Harry, and anyone else have said (Sorry, but Annie Lennox did NOT slam Madonna) they still say more about Patti LuPone than Madonna. What Patti said isn't about Madonna's role in Evita, they're about Madonna as whole. And this is nothing new. Nothing new to any Madonna fan who has followed her since she burst onto the scene and has been proving people like this wrong every single step of the way.

I wasn't worried about her legacy being 'erased' in 1992, 2004, and I'm certainly not worried about it now. Madonna transcends generations and pop culture in ways that her detractors could only dream of doing. And nothing Patti fucking LuPone says is going to change that. Ever. 

 

Hey, you know what? You're right. I honestly agree with everything you just said. This too will pass.

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Madonna once said it best.  Everyone will finally kiss her ass when she is dead.  Sadly that's the way it will be.  MJ was nothing but a punchline in the public eye and the media until they announced his death. 

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3 hours ago, KalamazooJay said:

I haven't had a chance to comment much in this forum. I've honestly just been so busy with work that I haven't had the time. Busy season.

But, this bitch got some headlines. It's really nothing more.

I understand the frustration, anger, and outrage over her comments. They're blatantly unfair, untrue, and just so mean spirited. But it's obvious to anyone as to where they're coming from given the trajectory of Patti's career. I mean, what's she known for right now? A guest stint on AHS as a holy rolling mother who gave her son bleach enema's and died by having a witch force to swallow the same bleach she tortured her son with. That's it. And quite honestly, would many individuals even recognize that it was the same person?

I haven't read through every page of this topic. And if I'm repeating things, pardon me. But while these comments go above and beyond anything Goldfrapp, Debbie Harry, and anyone else have said (Sorry, but Annie Lennox did NOT slam Madonna) they still say more about Patti LuPone than Madonna. What Patti said isn't about Madonna's role in Evita, they're about Madonna as whole. And this is nothing new. Nothing new to any Madonna fan who has followed her since she burst onto the scene and has been proving people like this wrong every single step of the way.

I wasn't worried about her legacy being 'erased' in 1992, 2004, and I'm certainly not worried about it now. Madonna transcends generations and pop culture in ways that her detractors could only dream of doing. And nothing Patti fucking LuPone says is going to change that. Ever. 

 

Yes.  Great post KalmazooJay.  It is incredibly frustrating to read what these witches say and it annoys the life out of me but there are 2 points to remember that you have already pointed out wonderfully . 

1.  Madonna is a global superstar and legend that everyone in the world knows.  Her music is timeless. Patti is a Broadway star who never properly has transcended into anything else.  Other stars that become famous on Broadway or on stage first -  Barbra Streisand, Julie Andrews, Hugh Jackman.  Never hear any of these superstars trashing other performers.  They don't need to put others down as are professional talented mega stars that don't need to get attention.   

2.  It has been happening since the 1980's.  Whitney Houston and Sade tore strips off Madonna in the 80's and predicted she would not last.  She has been dealing with these types of put downs and comments from other stars since the start of her career.  Whitney of course was a superstar and later changed her opinion on Madonna which was great.  However, all of the others that have ripped into her - none of them have risen to a quarter of the star Madonna is.   They infuriate me and what they say is unfair and wrong, but they will never be the star Madonna is. She does not let them stop her and continually has proven them wrong.  They deserve to be called out big time ( as we are doing )  but they won't wreck her legacy or status as the world's biggest female singing star in history.  Madonna's haters will applaud them for a while but what satisfaction could that bring them in the long run ?  Being praised for running Madonna down - hardly something to be proud of. 

I still find it disgusting that some of the media are trying to rewrite history re Superbowl comments etc but there are enough Madonna fans in the world to counter-act them.   

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At the end of the day, our reactions can be summed up in this gif:

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4 hours ago, KalamazooJay said:

I haven't had a chance to comment much in this forum. I've honestly just been so busy with work that I haven't had the time. Busy season.

But, this bitch got some headlines. It's really nothing more.

I understand the frustration, anger, and outrage over her comments. They're blatantly unfair, untrue, and just so mean spirited. But it's obvious to anyone as to where they're coming from given the trajectory of Patti's career. I mean, what's she known for right now? A guest stint on AHS as a holy rolling mother who gave her son bleach enema's and died by having a witch force to swallow the same bleach she tortured her son with. That's it. And quite honestly, would many individuals even recognize that it was the same person?

I haven't read through every page of this topic. And if I'm repeating things, pardon me. But while these comments go above and beyond anything Goldfrapp, Debbie Harry, and anyone else have said (Sorry, but Annie Lennox did NOT slam Madonna) they still say more about Patti LuPone than Madonna. What Patti said isn't about Madonna's role in Evita, they're about Madonna as whole. And this is nothing new. Nothing new to any Madonna fan who has followed her since she burst onto the scene and has been proving people like this wrong every single step of the way.

I wasn't worried about her legacy being 'erased' in 1992, 2004, and I'm certainly not worried about it now. Madonna transcends generations and pop culture in ways that her detractors could only dream of doing. And nothing Patti fucking LuPone says is going to change that. Ever. 

 

That is so true.

Diva catfights will happen. Remember M vs Mariah. Remember Gaga vs M. Remember Mariah vs JLo. Remember Cindy Lauper vs M. Remember Prince vs MJ. It even goes back to... Remember Bette Davis vs Joan Crawford. That's show business. It's part fun, part ridiculous, part spontaneous, part fabricated. It's a matter of maturity, insecurity, provocation. It's a game too. In the end, I don't think these people, living or dead, care that much. It's all about posture. It's camp. It's media time. It's a TV show no one outside the US cares about. (Not a single news outlet reported this "event" in France). Don't fall into their trap and overreact.

Moreover, apart from the very unpleasant welcome some of you gave me, I'm deeply puzzled by the level of hate and the VERY nasty comments on Patti LuPone's looks, voice, carreer, etc. The woman was answering a question, she said what she thought with her words, like it or not. She is a professional, she is entitled to her opinion, as useless as it is. But to come with pathetic, disgusting, demeaning, VERY disrespectful words, this thread is like the worst comments of YouTube about M (she old, she ugly, quit the grillz, behave, surgery addict, baby whales killer, she buys children, she fucks teenagers, blabla) except it's about somebody else. Really?

M deserves better.

Of course it's a Madonna forum, so people here will root for her, but I thought people would dust their shoulders and laugh about it. It's not the first time anyone criticizes the queen, not the last time. How come you call 911 when someone tries to scratch M's toe ?

And, there is something going on about the SuperBowl I'm not aware of. Never heard or read anything bad about that show. Maybe someone somewhere decided they didn't like it ? Get over it. Too bad for them, it was grand.

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31 minutes ago, Ugly Hecty said:

At the end of the day, our reactions can be summed up in this gif:

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5 minutes ago, discohub said:

That is so true.

Diva catfights will happen. Remember M vs Mariah. Remember Gaga vs M. Remember Mariah vs JLo. Remember Cindy Lauper vs M. Remember Prince vs MJ. It even goes back to... Remember Bette Davis vs Joan Crawford. That's show business. It's part fun, part ridiculous, part spontaneous, part fabricated. It's a matter of maturity, insecurity, provocation. It's a game too. In the end, I don't think these people, living or dead, care that much. It's all about posture. It's camp. It's media time. It's a TV show no one outside the US cares about. (Not a single news outlet reported this "event" in France). Don't fall into their trap and overreact.

Moreover, apart from the very unpleasant welcome some of you gave me, I'm deeply puzzled by the level of hate and the VERY nasty comments on Patti LuPone's looks, voice, carreer, etc. The woman was answering a question, she said what she thought with her words, like it or not. She is a professional, she is entitled to her opinion, as useless as it is. But to come with pathetic, disgusting, demeaning, VERY disrespectful words, this thread is like the worst comments of YouTube about M (she old, she ugly, quit the grillz, behave, surgery addict, baby whales killer, she buys children, she fucks teenagers, blabla) except it's about somebody else. Really?

M deserves better.

Of course it's a Madonna forum, so people here will root for her, but I thought people would dust their shoulders and laugh about it. It's not the first time anyone criticizes the queen, not the last time. How come you call 911 when someone tries to scratch M's toe ?

And, there is something going on about the SuperBowl I'm not aware of. Never heard or read anything bad about that show. Maybe someone somewhere decided they didn't like it ? Get over it. Too bad for them, it was grand.

No. The way she commented on Madonna was extremely disrespectful and it doesn't happen all the time that 'cat fights' ( pretty much one sided fight, again) are so nasty and explicit in their choice of words. They only do it to Madonna, that's what we're furious about. I can't recall any other star that's get lashed at so heavily, I don't know why everyone thinks it's ok to do so. 

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12 minutes ago, discohub said:

That is so true.

Diva catfights will happen. Remember M vs Mariah. Remember Gaga vs M. Remember Mariah vs JLo. Remember Cindy Lauper vs M. Remember Prince vs MJ. It even goes back to... Remember Bette Davis vs Joan Crawford. That's show business. It's part fun, part ridiculous, part spontaneous, part fabricated. It's a matter of maturity, insecurity, provocation. It's a game too. In the end, I don't think these people, living or dead, care that much. It's all about posture. It's camp. It's media time. It's a TV show no one outside the US cares about. (Not a single news outlet reported this "event" in France). Don't fall into their trap and overreact.

Moreover, apart from the very unpleasant welcome some of you gave me, I'm deeply puzzled by the level of hate and the VERY nasty comments on Patti LuPone's looks, voice, carreer, etc. The woman was answering a question, she said what she thought with her words, like it or not. She is a professional, she is entitled to her opinion, as useless as it is. But to come with pathetic, disgusting, demeaning, VERY disrespectful words, this thread is like the worst comments of YouTube about M (she old, she ugly, quit the grillz, behave, surgery addict, baby whales killer, she buys children, she fucks teenagers, blabla) except it's about somebody else. Really?

M deserves better.

Of course it's a Madonna forum, so people here will root for her, but I thought people would dust their shoulders and laugh about it. It's not the first time anyone criticizes the queen, not the last time. How come you call 911 when someone tries to scratch M's toe ?

And, there is something going on about the SuperBowl I'm not aware of. Never heard or read anything bad about that show. Maybe someone somewhere decided they didn't like it ? Get over it. Too bad for them, it was grand.

She is entitled to her opinion, but she was extremely rude and petty.She could just have said: I didn't like her in Evita and she isn't a great actress or something like that. She deserves the same rude treatment.

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3 hours ago, discohub said:

That is so true.

Diva catfights will happen. Remember M vs Mariah. Remember Gaga vs M. Remember Mariah vs JLo. Remember Cindy Lauper vs M. Remember Prince vs MJ. It even goes back to... Remember Bette Davis vs Joan Crawford. That's show business. It's part fun, part ridiculous, part spontaneous, part fabricated. It's a matter of maturity, insecurity, provocation. It's a game too. In the end, I don't think these people, living or dead, care that much. It's all about posture. It's camp. It's media time. It's a TV show no one outside the US cares about. (Not a single news outlet reported this "event" in France). Don't fall into their trap and overreact.

Moreover, apart from the very unpleasant welcome some of you gave me, I'm deeply puzzled by the level of hate and the VERY nasty comments on Patti LuPone's looks, voice, carreer, etc. The woman was answering a question, she said what she thought with her words, like it or not. She is a professional, she is entitled to her opinion, as useless as it is. But to come with pathetic, disgusting, demeaning, VERY disrespectful words, this thread is like the worst comments of YouTube about M (she old, she ugly, quit the grillz, behave, surgery addict, baby whales killer, she buys children, she fucks teenagers, blabla) except it's about somebody else. Really?

M deserves better.

Of course it's a Madonna forum, so people here will root for her, but I thought people would dust their shoulders and laugh about it. It's not the first time anyone criticizes the queen, not the last time. How come you call 911 when someone tries to scratch M's toe ?

And, there is something going on about the SuperBowl I'm not aware of. Never heard or read anything bad about that show. Maybe someone somewhere decided they didn't like it ? Get over it. Too bad for them, it was grand.

You seen to really want to paint Madonna in a negative light despite you saying you are not.  You previously said she throws shade more than any other diva.  Madonna has not had catfights with Mariah, Gaga or Cyndi Lauper.   This really bugs me about fans who want to paint Madonna as some kind of nasty bitch who rips into other female stars.  Nothing could be further from the truth. She praises most of the females that rubbish her.   The thing with Mariah was the most blown up piece of over-reaction I have seen.  The thing with Gaga - she was asked about Born this way sounding like Express Yourself.  She said the song was reductive.  She has never run Gaga down much at all - only demonstrated that she stole her song.  They are the only 2 examples people can use about Madonna and boy, do people twist them to portray her bady.  As for  Cyndi Lauper ?   When has Madonna ever said anything about Cyndi Lauper ?  There is no cat fight between Cyndi and Madonna.  Never has been.  

We have every right to criticise Patti.  She was vicious, nasty and petty.  She said Madonna was dead behind the eyes, a movie killer, should never be on film or stage.  Madonna gets criticised to death everywhere.  Do not tell people on a Madonna forum to not defend her.  It is the only place she is defended. 

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Petty LePen goes in as venomously as she can with zero sense of diplomacy (would have been the easiest thing in the world) and she's "entitled to her opinion" and a sentence later becomes the poor victim, pearl clutching and all, how could anyone say such things, where's my fainting couch.

Unreal :lmao:

 

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I’m sorry but this is not ‘just someone who’s entitled tot their opinion. And it’s not about personal taste either. Weather you like musicals or not, the original Broadway score or the London cast or this movie in particular…. It’s all irrelevant, because the quality speaks for itself. It’s obvious 2 anyone who knows anything about movies.

Furthermore Madonna and Alan Parker managed to turn a one-dimensional musical-character into a full fledged human being, set to pre recorded music!

That’s an incredible feat.

 

As for Patti, this is about HATE and JEALOUSY.

 

No wonder Webber fired that cunt in the early 90’s from Sunset Boulevard and hired the wonderful Glenn Close instead.

 

 

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