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I have always wondered how some people claim to be fans of a particular artist when all they do is to criticise what their fave is doing and thinking they know better. According to some they would know better than Madonna herself on how to run her own career. From her choice of producers, song writers, directors, photographers, stylists, designers, label company, hair, make up and why not even lovers, husbands, etc... they think they can always do a better job. 

I do believe in freedom of expression and it's all well and good to convey a particular reaction although negative but when all you hear is "this is bad".. "she should have done this".. "she better work with this or that person", and blah, blah, blah some people do come across jus as nagging bitches. 😂

If you like the music or videos, pictures, etc.. enjoy if not what's the point in following an artist you don't fully appreciate them. Just saying..

I would feel embarrassed to death to write on some people pages and comment negatively on their works or personal choices. These people are artists after all.  Nagging over their works on their own page comes across very insensitive and rather ignorant imho. I was happy to read Patrick Leonard's response but also saddened because I realised how much shit these people must be getting from so called fans on a regular basis. 

Every.

Single.

Word.

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Ex Madonna "fans"  are the worst.  Thank God they never get a stranglehold in here and are flushed.   You can see them everywhere else though and they virtually take over.  They also never give Madonna any credit.  All of her success in the past is either due to who she worked with and they think she had little imput in the writing or production of her music.  They also always defend the people that trash her.  God, I have even seen some of them praise her brother Christopher and tell him that he made her concert tours.  :wacko:

Patrick is a classy, talented and loyal man.  He is far above that kind of thinking and his response shows it.  I would personally love her to work with him again as I think they have a mutual love and respect for each other and write great songs together.  

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Madonna will reach out to him IF she wants to. Yes they created magic together, but there's gotta be reasons why she hasn't collaborated with him for years. Why can't some fans accept the fact that people sometimes just move on with their lives? Some people make it seem like she has never written a good song without Leonard. Even on Rebel Heart there are multiple songs with beautiful melodies and songwriting. 

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Ex Madonna "fans"  are the worst.  Thank God they never get a stranglehold in here and are flushed.   You can see them everywhere else though and they virtually take over.  They also never give Madonna any credit.  All of her success in the past is either due to who she worked with and they think she had little imput in the writing or production of her music.  They also always defend the people that trash her.  God, I have even seen some of them praise her brother Christopher and tell him that he made her concert tours.  :wacko:

Patrick is a classy, talented and loyal man.  He is far above that kind of thinking and his response shows it.  I would personally love her to work with him again as I think they have a mutual love and respect for each other and write great songs together.  

You would expect these people to be dead by 2009/2010 due to exploding blood vessels over her "wrong" choices but no, they are still around and they keep polluting the Internet with their endless toxic lamentations. 

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Madonna will reach out to him IF she wants to. Yes they created magic together, but there's gotta be reasons why she hasn't collaborated with him for years. Why can't some fans accept the fact that people sometimes just move on with their lives? Some people make it seem like she has never written a good song without Leonard. Even on Rebel Heart there are multiple songs with beautiful melodies and songwriting. 

Yes, her song-writing is incredibly under-rated.  Also, no matter how many producers, co-writers and musicians talk about how talented and musical she is, some still want to down play her or bring up examples where she did not write a song. It never ceases to amaze me.  They seem to want to portray her as being almost undeserving of her success and downplay her talent. 

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You would expect these people to be dead by 2009/2010 due to exploding blood vessels over her "wrong" choices but no, they are still around and they keep polluting the Internet with their endless toxic lamentations. 

I Know.  Some of them have not "liked"  her since Like a Prayer and they still whine about her all the time on the net, blogs and music forums etc.   I wish they would crawl back into their rabbit holes and not venture out again. 

 

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I Know.  Some of them have not "liked"  her since Like a Prayer and they still whine about her all the time on the net, blogs and music forums etc.   I wish they would crawl back into their rabbit holes and not venture out again. 

 

Some may even felt "betrayed" by the time she released LIKE A VIRGIN! I mean, she sold out. Why did she work with Nile Rodgers singing those cheesy bubblegum pop songs? She abandoned the gritty and raw club sound of her first album, I'm pissed, bring the original Madonna back. :rotfl:  

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She sold out when she accepted to record Holiday! 

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It may sound like a joke but it's true that she's always producing bitter fans with every era. Erotica, ROL, Music were all eras I remember reading a lot of stupid fans feeling "betrayed" it's ridiculous 

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The answer is great, but I feel they HAVE to work together again. I think the difference with all her co-producers is that their collaborations always felt timeless and brought out the "core" Madonna sound. When they collaborated on I ll Remember it was like the core Madonna was back and in top form. It feels like he is bringing out the best in her. It seems like they complement each other in the best possible way. Maybe something happened around ROL, he was mad she turned to Orbit or smth, but its kind of strange she never returned to him for almost 20ty years... Hopefully that would change for her next album. I feel a Pat/M album would be a critical success, I don't know about commercial as she probably wont be played on the radio so no one would know she has an album out, but I feel the good word of mouth could sell it like it did for COADF in America.

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The answer is great, but I feel they HAVE to work together again. I think the difference with all her co-producers is that their collaborations always felt timeless and brought out the "core" Madonna sound. When they collaborated on I ll Remember it was like the core Madonna was back and in top form. It feels like he is bringing out the best in her. It seems like they complement each other in the best possible way. Maybe something happened around ROL, he was mad she turned to Orbit or smth, but its kind of strange she never returned to him for almost 20ty years... Hopefully that would change for her next album. I feel a Pat/M album would be a critical success, I don't know about commercial as she probably wont be played on the radio so no one would know she has an album out, but I feel the good word of mouth could sell it like it did for COADF in America.

They got together again in 2004 for the musical, and wrote songs.  They got together again for the docu I Am Because We Are in 2008. 

As Pat has said, it's just a question of the direction they both want to take,  especially Madonna.  HC was not a project for Pat,  nor MDNA.  For Rebel Heart it was about Aviccii and then the project evolved into something more rebel with Diplo.  

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He worked on her Malawi documentary @elijah

I am because we are. 

I mean like working WITH HER on her music, not a soundtrack to a movie no one saw.

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Yes, but both projects,  the musical and the score mean that they have a good relationship.  

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Yes, but both projects,  the musical and the score mean that they have a good relationship.  

hopefully, its time for them to work together.

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I have always wondered how some people claim to be fans of a particular artist when all they do is to criticise what their fave is doing and thinking they know better. According to some they would know better than Madonna herself on how to run her own career. From her choice of producers, song writers, directors, photographers, stylists, designers, label company, hair, make up and why not even lovers, husbands, etc... they think they can always do a better job. 

I do believe in freedom of expression and it's all well and good to convey a particular reaction although negative but when all you hear is "this is bad".. "she should have done this".. "she better work with this or that person", and blah, blah, blah some people do come across jus as nagging bitches. 😂

If you like the music or videos, pictures, etc.. enjoy if not what's the point in following an artist you don't fully appreciate. Just saying..

I would feel embarrassed to death to write on some people pages and comment negatively on their works or personal choices. These people are artists after all.  Nagging over their works on their own page comes across very insensitive and rather ignorant imho. I was happy to read Patrick Leonard's response but also saddened because I realised how much shit these people must be getting from so called fans on a regular basis. 

THIS.

 

 

Ex Madonna "fans"  are the worst.  Thank God they never get a stranglehold in here and are flushed.   You can see them everywhere else though and they virtually take over.  They also never give Madonna any credit.  All of her success in the past is either due to who she worked with and they think she had little imput in the writing or production of her music.  They also always defend the people that trash her.  God, I have even seen some of them praise her brother Christopher and tell him that he made her concert tours.  :wacko:

And THIS.

 

Folks can have whatever opinion they want. Fine. But when it starts to sink into a never-ending abyss of not just blind negativity, but particularly entitlement and bitterness that seems to cloud the ability to find anything enjoyable, or to take anything new on a clean slate...then maybe it's time to hop off the train, no? That would be the logical next step. But they never do. I think underlying it all (as it is in this digital age) is a desperate need for attention, and even more so, a demand for validation.

It also kind of makes me question whether they really understand who and what Madonna truly is, as an artist and a person. As it often is, they fall in love with a certain stage of her, and once she evolves beyond that, they can never let it go. I mean, if there ever was an artist to not do this with...

What does blow my mind are the folks who take all that directly to her social media comments...wagging their fingers and making their demands right there. Like, really...?

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THIS.

 

And THIS.

 

Folks can have whatever opinion they want. Fine. But when it starts to sink into a never-ending abyss of not just blind negativity, but particularly entitlement and bitterness that seems to cloud the ability to find anything enjoyable, or to take anything new on a clean slate...then maybe it's time to hop off the train, no? That would be the logical next step. But they never do. I think underlying it all (as it is in this digital age) is a desperate need for attention, and even more so, a demand for validation.

It also kind of makes me question whether they really understand who and what Madonna truly is, as an artist and a person. As it often is, they fall in love with a certain stage of her, and once she evolves beyond that, they can never let it go. I mean, if there ever was an artist to not do this with...

What does blow my mind are the folks who take all that directly to her social media comments...wagging their fingers and making their demands right there. Like, really...?

the ex madonna fans are the WORST. I sometimes think she just ignored them when they expected front row interaction or when they tried to talk to her on the street. i dont know, but whatever it is, it always feels so personal and weird.. the love really turns to hate. it's obsessive!

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the ex madonna fans are the WORST. I sometimes think she just ignored them when they expected front row interaction or when they tried to talk to her on the street. i dont know, but whatever it is, it always feels so personal and weird.. the love really turns to hate. it's obsessive!

I don't believe in ex-fans. Those haters were just bandwagoners from around ROL or MUSIC or Confessions (who hated her before but turned because she was considered cool and legendary) and then jumped ship when HC came out and media started praising Caca. They have never been fans. 

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I don't believe in ex-fans. Those haters were just bandwagoners from around ROL or MUSIC or Confessions who jumped ship when HC came out and media started praising Caca. They have never been fans. 

you may have a point there.

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She already makes great (even amazing) music. And looking beautiful and working with younger artists is not "chasing youth." The majority of Madonna's contemporaries are either washed up, making covers albums, or dead.

Uhh, you left out the rest of my quote about the best songs on Rebel Heart.  Yes she is making great music currently, however these throwaway collaborations are becoming tiresome.  I understand she want to try new things and different collaborations, but in my opinion SHE IS BETTER THAN THAT!

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It's also funny how men like Diplo, Kanye, Timbaland, David Guetta etc. are all at (or near) their 40s and no one ever says a thing about them "trying to keep up with the kids".

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THIS.

 

And THIS.

 

Folks can have whatever opinion they want. Fine. But when it starts to sink into a never-ending abyss of not just blind negativity, but particularly entitlement and bitterness that seems to cloud the ability to find anything enjoyable, or to take anything new on a clean slate...then maybe it's time to hop off the train, no? That would be the logical next step. But they never do. I think underlying it all (as it is in this digital age) is a desperate need for attention, and even more so, a demand for validation.

It also kind of makes me question whether they really understand who and what Madonna truly is, as an artist and a person. As it often is, they fall in love with a certain stage of her, and once she evolves beyond that, they can never let it go. I mean, if there ever was an artist to not do this with...

What does blow my mind are the folks who take all that directly to her social media comments...wagging their fingers and making their demands right there. Like, really...?

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I don't know if you are all aware of that, but Patrick Leonard wrote and co-produced Leonard Cohen's very acclaimed last two albums. It's really strange and fascinating to hear a bit of Madonna in this:

 

that's another proof Leonard also needs Madonna: imagine this with the hooks, melodies and the pop sensibility of M. Ciccone. It could have been great and now its not :(

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