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It is different, nowadays she may not even meet the artist she collaborates on studio

She collaborated with Nicki, MIA, Nas, Timbaland etc. all in studio, don't know what your point has anything to do with the discussion. We were talking about the motives behind her working with these so called "youthful" artists.

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It's also funny how men like Diplo, Kanye, Timbaland, David Guetta etc. are all at (or near) their 40s and no one ever says a thing about them "trying to keep up with the kids".

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It's also funny how men like Diplo, Kanye, Timbaland, David Guetta etc. are all at (or near) their 40s and no one ever says a thing about them "trying to keep up with the kids".

Bingo.

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Madonna can still score hits. and will. being an older woman makes it harder, not impossible.

she needs a new PR/Manager.

and a new approach to her vocals and songs.

I'm pretty sure it will happen soon

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I don't know if you are all aware of that, but Patrick Leonard wrote and co-produced Leonard Cohen's very acclaimed last two albums. It's really strange and fascinating to hear a bit of Madonna in this:

 

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Featuring wasn't even a thing back then, and if it was I'm sure Take A Bow would've been billed as Take A Bow (feat. Babyface) or some shit like that since Bedtime Stories was an obvious attempt of damage control. She also wanted Eminem to feature on American Life (the song) but it didn't happen. 

Again Madonna has always been on the pop wheel and she has worked with trendy and "hip" musicians throughout her career, Nile Rodgers, Prince, Bjork, Babyface, Ricky Martin, Britney, Missy Elliot, Eminem & Goldfrapp(didn't materialize) etc. The only times that I think she did collabs mostly for commercial reasons were Bedtime Stories and Hard Candy. She's just very interested in exploring new talents and trends, unlike many of her fans who are stuck in their own time. Nicki Minaj is talented at what she does and all of their collabs so far have been good, it really is no different from her working with Prince or Bjork back in the days. 

Pop artists have been featuring rappers (and other artists) for decades and it became especially popular in the late '80s and early '90s. Jody Watley, Michael, and Janet all featured rappers on their songs. Then, of course, Mariah started doing it - Boyz II Men, 98 Degrees, every rapper alive... Madonna could have jumped on that bandwagon much sooner but didn't need to. She was even very selective about who she did duets with. Yes, she has always collaborated, but it's mostly been a producer/songwriter thing. 

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Pop artists have been featuring rappers (and other artists) for decades and it became especially popular in the late '80s and early '90s. Jody Watley, Michael, and Janet all featured rappers on their songs. Then, of course, Mariah started doing it - Boyz II Men, 98 Degrees, every rapper alive... Madonna could have jumped on that bandwagon much sooner but didn't need to. She was even very selective about who she did duets with. Yes, she has always collaborated, but it's mostly been a producer/songwriter thing. 

I'm skimming through hot 100 year-end charts and it looks like pop artists featuring rappers didn't become a trend until the mid 90s? 

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I'm skimming through hot 100 year-end charts and it looks like pop artists featuring rappers didn't become a trend until the mid 90s? 

A trend? Sure. It definitely became the thing to do in the mid '90s. Mariah is "credited" with popularizing it after "Fantasy" with ODB, but we all know that Madonna, Michael, Janet, Jody, etc. did it years before her. What I'm saying is that whether it started in the 80s or in the mid 90s, Madonna didn't jump on that bandwagon until Hard Candy, and then it's been pretty frequent ever since. There's a reason for that. But there's no shame in it and I'm not against it - she's a pop artist who wants to sell records and concert tickets. My point is that there's nothing wrong with admitting there's commercially conscious element to what she's doing. 

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Beautiful words from Patrick.

 

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How amazing the loyalty and respect so many of her collaborators have for her even after all these years

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How amazing the loyalty and respect so many of her collaborators have for her even after all these years

She is like no other.  :inlove:

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Ugh he's such a liar. Did he say he never wrote songs with her at an airport? I remember! Looking. At. That. Blog.

 

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Bless him. He understands what kind of artist Madonna is.

Indeed

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A response a little bit exaggerated If you ask me. :blink:

Just what I thought. I don't like the thought of owing loyalty to an artist. Stars don't owe anything to their fans, and fans don't owe them anything either. Then again if someone deserves my trust it's Madonna. 

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How amazing the loyalty and respect so many of her collaborators have for her even after all these years

 

:thumbsup:

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Just what I thought. I don't like the thought of owing loyalty to an artist. Stars don't owe anything to their fans, and fans don't owe them anything either. Then again if someone deserves my trust it's Madonna. 

I think he meant Madonna has given so much to her fans that after so long she should be free to collaborate with whomever she feels like doing so. He was not saying fans should automatically love all that she does, just like it's clear he's simply saying fans should not demand or expect her to work with previous producers either, merely on the basis of previous fruitful collaborations

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Lovely classy words for him - as always. 

I think that when Patrick used the word loyalty, he was not referring specifically to the question asked or to Madonna fans who loved their work together and would love the hear them write and work together again. Something that most fans would love and appreciate.  It would be wonderful.

 Instead, I think it was aimed at something else and the likes of ex fans who rubbish her all the time - like the ones we notice and comment on that pollute blogs, articles and other Madonna forums etc.  Who basically say that Madonna has been dreadful for years and should return to Patrick or William Orbit all the time and give her no credit.   The ones that don't talk of how much they loved Madonna and Patrick's work, but the ones that just attack her all the time.   I suspect he has got plenty of messages like that, thus the loyalty response.  Just my take on it. 

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