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On 21 March 2017 at 5:23 AM, Confessit said:

I think she befriends them partly for there street cred, let's be honest! 

Don't agree with you there. I think she has a real maternal side and you can tell from footage that she likes Britney, Katy and Ariana.  She does not need street cred from them. 

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I just read an interview with Vicky McClure from 'filth and wisdom' in the Sunday Times..she says she 'had a ball working with Madonna..but she's not a director is she' :bad:

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1 hour ago, paradise said:

I just read an interview with Vicky McClure from 'filth and wisdom' in the Sunday Times..she says she 'had a ball working with Madonna..but she's not a director is she' :bad:

Link please.

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3 hours ago, jazzyjan said:

Don't agree with you there. I think she has a real maternal side and you can tell from footage that she likes Britney, Katy and Ariana.  She does not need street cred from them. 

Yes I agree actually she certainly really loved Briney...... it just felt that Me against the music was somewhat a fleeted attempt at street cred following American Life.

That moment was such a wasted opptunity, it could of been huge a collaboration between the Queen and Princess, instead it got lost and today is forgettable.

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50 minutes ago, Confessit said:

Yes I agree actually she certainly really loved Briney...... it just felt that Me against the music was somewhat a fleeted attempt at street cred following American Life.

That moment was such a wasted opptunity, it could of been huge a collaboration between the Queen and Princess, instead it got lost and today is forgettable.

I think that would b the opposite of street cred, teaming up with Britney.

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4 hours ago, Crystal Coffin said:

"street cred" :lol: 

Should've been an album title.

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1 minute ago, IsaacHarris said:

Should've been an album title.

Street Cred: Ho-Donna In Da House Y'all (2020).

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3 hours ago, spotlight said:

Link please.

Oh sorry it wasn't the Sunday Times it was the saturday culture supplement..that's all she said on the matter..it may have been misquoted though as these things often are 

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Madonna's early career was built on street cred though. Let's not forget that that was the culture she was coming from and formed her as a musician above all things. Let's not forget that before going to NYC Madonna never even dreamed of becoming a musician. Undoubtedly her so called street cred is part of her artistical DNA. It's palpable in all her works. That's why I don't understand why she gets criticised for making urban records or working with so called street cred producers. 

 

I dint think M used Britney for street cred. She was doing fine on her own. Ray Of Light and Music were smashes in the US as well. She didn't need Britney to stay "relevant". I think she genuinely felt maternal towards her especially after having a daughter and also she saw how cruel the press could be against Britney and she wanted to protect her. Didn't she also support Kiley Minogue during that time as well? Madonna to this day never said a bad word against Britney or even Christina. In fact I don't remember she ever said anything slightly negative against other female artists apart from that reductive comment about Gaga. 

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17 minutes ago, MeakMaker said:

Madonna's early career was built on street cred though. Let's not forget that that was the culture she was coming from and formed her as a musician above all things. Let's not forget that before going to NYC Madonna never even dreamed of becoming a musician. Undoubtedly her so called street cred is part of her artistical DNA. It's palpable in all her works. That's why I don't understand why she gets criticised for making urban records or working with so called street cred producers. 

 

I dint think M used Britney for street cred. She was doing fine on her own. Ray Of Light and Music were smashed in the US as well. She didn't need Britney to stay "relevant". I think she genuinely felt maternal towards her especially after having a daughter and also she saw how cruel the press could be against Britney and she wanted to protect her. Madonna to this day never said a bad word against Britney or even Christina. In fact I don't even she said anything slightly negative against other female artist apart from that reductive comment about Gaga. 

I agree with you in essence.

But i do think the direction 2003 took was a direct response to American Life falling so flat commercially.

Had IT of landed successfully (Putting artistic value to one side) like ROL and M that came before it, I doubt MATM would if happend.

It was a rash decision, last minute vocal and Madonna came close to pulling out the video !

For me personally I don't think Madonna would of volentered herself for MATM had it not of been for the commercial situation she was in the summer of 2003. I doubt she would of been signing into the groove on GAP adverts either.

But I agree street cred and popularity have always been at the heart of Madonna, hence why she retained such a hold on the mainstream for 20+ years in music.

Britneys popularity at the time I think was an obvious factor for Madonna wanting to do the duet, but I absolutely agree she was and is maternal towards her.

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Even in 2500 when the aliens come to earth there will be "Vogue" playing on the spaceships of the gay ones. thats what matters

 

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When Madonna was crucified left and right at least one female singer was on her side Olivia Newton John

THE NORTHERN STAR
September 15, 1994

OLIVIA BARES HER SOUL IN MUSIC

By DEBBIE KRUGER

 

“I’m not an outrageous person. I admire someone like Madonna for what she does, I think she’s very brave and she’s very bold. That’s just not me. I couldn’t do that and be true to myself. I don’t think I’ve ever been ‘cool’ except with Grease, and it doesn’t matter.

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7 hours ago, Roland Barthes said:

When Madonna was crucified left and right at least one female singer was on her side Olivia Newton John

THE NORTHERN STAR
September 15, 1994

OLIVIA BARES HER SOUL IN MUSIC

By DEBBIE KRUGER

 

“I’m not an outrageous person. I admire someone like Madonna for what she does, I think she’s very brave and she’s very bold. That’s just not me. I couldn’t do that and be true to myself. I don’t think I’ve ever been ‘cool’ except with Grease, and it doesn’t matter.

Olivia - always a class act and superstar.  Beautiful person and singer. 

Image result for madonna and olivia newton john images

 

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On 3/20/2017 at 1:53 AM, le smoking said:

I think it's because she has such a strong persona that most people don't feel the need to defend her...there's a lot about her that doesn't invite sympathy or empathy.  It's made her an untouchable legend, but it also dehumanizes her.  In comparison, someone like Britney is defended at every turn cuz she's so vulnerable and projects victimhood

I agree with this

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