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1 hour ago, drunkbysix said:

So defining racism as a tool of systematic oppression is ignorant?

 

and if that's simply racism, why do we have words such as prejudice and discrimination which basically is the same thing? 

Systematic racism is not the same as racial bigotry. Lumping both under the same moniker creates confusion.

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55 minutes ago, drunkbysix said:

1) Racism = privilege + power

In order to be racist, you need to possess two traits. The first is privilege: A structural, institutional, and social advantage. White people occupy positions of racial privilege, even when they are disadvantaged in other ways. White women, for example, consistently make morethan black women, because they benefit from racial attitudes. Furthermore, you also have to have power: the ability, backed up by society, to be a strong social influencer, with greater leeway when it comes to what you do, where, and how. 

For instance, white people benefit from privilege and power when they aren’t arrested for drug crimes at disproportionate rates, while black people experience racism when they’re arrested, and sentenced, for the same crimes. This reflects a racialized power imbalance in the justice system. It’s about the privilege and power of white offenders (less likely to be racially profiled, more likely to have strong legal representation, more likely to be able to talk police officers out of an arrest) and the lack of social status for black offenders. 

People of color talking about white people don’t occupy positions of privilege or power. Therefore, they cannot be racist. Racism is structural, not personal. 

2) Anger is a legitimate response to oppression.

When “reverse racism” is flung around, it’s often in response to angry language, to protests, to fights for equality. People of color have been pushing back on privilege and power for a long time. Many of them are understandably pretty tired of it. Unsurprisingly, some aren’t interested in moderating their tone for a white audience. That means that sometimes they use strong language, out of frustration, rage, or to make a heavy impact on observers. Still not reverse racism. 

More importantly, insisting that people of color need to be nice about the way they talk about racism is, in fact, racist: It suggests that, for example, “angry black women” don’t merit social attention, because they’re being unreasonable. 

3) Attempts to rectify systemic injustices are not examples of reverse racism.

One of the most common pieces of evidence used as “proof” of reverse racism is that of affirmative action and minority admissions at colleges, universities, and some companies. The argument goes that people of color are stealing positions and jobs away from better or equally qualified white people. 

This is not the case. The problem is that generations of injustice have resulted in underrepresentation of people of color in these settings, and the goal of affirmative action and related initiatives is to ensure that they aren’t harmed by racial bias in admissions and hiring decisions. People of color aren’t admitted or hired “over white people.” They’re considered equally, with an eye to the fact that subconscious bias may be influencing decisions made by people in power, who are, you guessed it, often white. 

“White folks will tell me time and time again that Affirmative Action is ‘unfair,’” writes Jamie Utt, a diversity and inclusion consultant and sexual violence prevention educator, “because it discriminates against White people. What the term ‘fair’ assumes here, though, is that we live in a society where there’s an equal playing field for all students, regardless of race or wealth.” Addressing these injustices is intended to give people of color more opportunities, and to ensure that future generations won’t face the same imbalances current generations do.

4) Having spaces set aside for people of color is not racist.

Whites are often resentful of clubs, organizations, and groups focused on people of a specific race, with membership closed to people who are not members of that racial community. The claim goes that such groups segregate and discriminate; after all, if members of those minorities cared so much about racism, they’d open their membership to all, right?

Josh Odam writes in the Daily Collegian, “One of my favorite examples of such a mentality is this: It’s unfair that black students have a Black Student Union when white students do not. To put it simply, the University of Massachusetts is a White Student Union.”

But it’s about more than that. It’s not just that every public space is open to white people, but that white people have an expectation that every private space should be open to them, too. Some conversations and community events need to take place behind closed doors. People of color may need to have sensitive conversations about discrimination, racism, and their lived experiences that are difficult to have when they are surrounded by white observers or people who talk over them. Such spaces provide a medium for doing so, just as members of the LGBTQ community use retreat spaces, and women join women-only organizations and groups for mutual support. 

5) White people are not oppressed.

The history of the oppression of people of color by the West, and, by extension, white people, spans centuries. Africans were enslaved and brought to the New World, where European colonialists stole land from Indigenous people. Colonies across the Global South brought untold wealth into the coffers of Europe, with the low, low cost of suffering for native populations. 

Today, we’re still living with the legacies of colonialism: In the United States, the black community is dealing with the aftermath of slavery and the poverty and systemic prejudice it left behind. In many African nations, the collapse of former colonies left governments in shambles and unable to support themselves. In Australia, indigenous people struggle with a high poverty rate and low access to health care.

White people, in contrast with people of color, do not experience systemic discrimination that makes it difficult to find and hold jobs, access housing, get health care, receive a fair treatment in the justice system, and more. When it comes to social disparities, they’re the ones consuming and receiving the bulk of the resources; in just one example, black women in the U.S. are more likely to die from breast cancer due to delayed diagnosis. That’s the result of racism within the medical system. 

Despite the belief stated by some white people that they are more oppressed than people of color, their claims don’t bear out when looking at social metrics like statistical representation in the justice system, poverty, educational achievement, and unemployment rates. 

6) Prejudice and racism are not the same thing.

Some people of color may view whites prejudicially; no wonder, given the interactions of racism in society. Anyone can believe in stereotypes or hold ideas about members of other groups that are not entirely accurate. 

However, being, and behaving, prejudicially isn’t the same thing as racism, especially when such prejudice punches up, not down. As Justin Simien of Dear White People puts it, “Prejudice and racism are different. A joke about white people dancing has no impact on the lives of average white people, whereas jokes about black people and reinforcing stereotypes about black people do have an impact on the lives of everyday black people.”

7) Hard truths aren’t racist—they’re just hard to hear.

Making a racist statement is a manifestation of racist culture; being “mean” isn’t. For whites, it can be difficult to be confronted with the reality of racism, and with comments from people of color about how privilege and power operate. It’s tempting to take such comments personally and to insist that people of color are being “mean,” which is often a hop, skip, and a jump away from an accusation of reverse racism. 

In this case, the goal is often to invalidate the points made. If someone is being racist, surely her comments can be dismissed instead of taken seriously. Thus, a white person uncomfortable with a racialized conversation may claim that it’s reverse racist in order to escape the conversation, or escape her own role in racist power dynamics.

On the Internet, where such conversations fly by at lightning speed and often get heated, accusations of reverse racism often come in hot and heavy. It’s worth taking a moment to back up and hit those commenters with a healthy dose of truth serum.

Who is the AUTHORITY that concocted this?

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3 hours ago, ULIZOS said:

I hate white people. They always think their opinion is better than mine or worth more. Just look at Pud. His opinion is worth more than yours. 

White people :rolleyes: 

But your cock is superior to his in every way. 

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On 1/3/2017 at 9:20 PM, Sloane said:

Ulizos shut the hell up :lmao:if you think I'm gonna be like one of those dumb morons at work all glassy eyed, invading my bubble with their stupid dead smiles all warm & touchy while watching them have a shitty day at work.. not gonna happen. They're all on drugs! That prescription crap advertised on TV. I stay sober and awake.

Though I did like those pills the dentist gave me a couple weeks ago. Damn I was so nice. I can certainly see the draw.

Also if Marijuana became legal I might partake once a month in the evening lol

twining :brenspin::inlove:

 

good to read! :clap:

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Are you guys reading the new info that just came out? Hooooly shit

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According to Source D where s/he had been present, Trump’s (perverted) conduct in Moscow included hiring the presidential suite of the Ritz Carlton Hotel, here he knew President and Mrs Obama (whom he hated) had stayed on one of their official trips to Russia, and defiling the bed where they had slept by employ a number of prostitutes to perform a ‘golden showers’ (urination) show in front of him. The hotel was known to be under FSB control with microphones and concealed cameras in all the main rooms to record anything they wanted to.

So there is a sex tape after all I'm dead :lmao:

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I've felt for a long time now that the hackers and leakers that released all that shit on Clinton withheld all the shit they found on Trump until after the elections. Like, it was their plan all along to watch the U.S. implode :lmao:

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Just now, ULIZOS said:

I've felt for a long time now that the hackers and leakers that released all that shit on Clinton withheld all the shit they found on Trump until after the elections. Like, it was their plan all along to watch the U.S. implode :lmao:

It's actually worse than that. The hackers were WORKING for Trump and he had DNC moles! 

Read the reports. They're insane. Trump is LIVID

 

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Just now, impr3ssive_instant said:

It's actually worse than that. The hackers were WORKING for Trump and he had DNC moles! 

Read the reports. They're insane. Trump is LIVID

 

That story is less exciting, though. :lol: It's just kind of expected for the opposing teams to find dirt on their opponents and then twist any old story to make them seem like a monster. I saw it on a reality TV show called Scandal. 

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1 hour ago, ULIZOS said:

I've felt for a long time now that the hackers and leakers that released all that shit on Clinton withheld all the shit they found on Trump until after the elections. Like, it was their plan all along to watch the U.S. implode :lmao:

Yep. Um..I was saying that (this was most likely gonna happen, all planned etc etc..) like since last summer at least! lol Still think the insanity yet to come, leak on TRUMP etc... will be 20x worse than Hillary! The GOP (maybe more than the friggin Dems) do NOT want this man anywhere near the f'king White House! lol Michael Moore and the few others who got the 2016 results right all are basically saying/guaranteeing he won't come close to 4 years as 'President' lmao 

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9 hours ago, ULIZOS said:

Yes, the white ones. 

But yes, I guess I'm a classic case of a white racist. Always thinking we all want to hear your damn opinion. "Oh, look at me, I'm at Target I'm going to start screaming at that person because she or he or her or his lifestyle offends me. I can do that because I'm white and this is MY COUNTRY AMERYKUH NOW GIT OUT" 

Not all of them. 😉

This thread is hilarious...lol. I forgot how full of 'knowledge' some people are in here. 

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8 minutes ago, Intervention_78 said:

Not all of them. 😉

This thread is hilarious...lol. I forgot how full of 'knowledge' some people are in here. 

Look at this thread. They're all like that :lmao:

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2 minutes ago, Pud Whacker said:

im waiting impatiently for MELANIA'S XXX PORN!!!

At the VERY least! At the minimum Russia and many other bad actors have endless shit on this orangutan. lol This entire 'administration' reeks from possibly the biggest skuzzy, blackmail, scandal ridden we've ever seen and will ever see lol 

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9 minutes ago, Ciccone's Cheeks said:

At the VERY least! At the minimum Russia and many other bad actors have endless shit on this orangutan. lol This entire 'administration' reeks from possibly the biggest skuzzy, blackmail, scandal ridden we've ever seen and will ever see lol 

i live for SCANDAL! :headbang:

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10 minutes ago, Pud Whacker said:

i live for SCANDAL! :headbang:

Yup cant WAIT esp for the Melania girl/girl Euro 12 inch power dildo porn w/ the Donald and his sons watching jerkin' and snortin coke then spritz their orange spunk all over her Slovania cheeks:# lool!

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I wonder how he feels about Russia now.  He must have told Putin hundreds of times to destroy that tape and Putin would go "Yes Donald but you know what you gotta do in return". And now that this tape scandal has surfaced Donanld must be livid and think of revenge against Putin... you gotta watch this one unfold. Meryl Streep is the least of his worries now. 

You gotta give it to the Russians though. They're truly the ones pulling the strings in the USA. 

My question is why wasn't this Hotel pissing prossies scandal divulged during election? Yes the Russians did help him win. No question about it.

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This is epic trolling/Shitposting by 4Chan. :rotfl:

They created a ridiculous piece of Fan-Fiction, rebranded it with a CIA letterhead, gave it Rick Wilson/John McCain, then gave it to BuzzFeed who actually published it.

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Backround info(left side): https://m.imgur.com/gallery/u1HKE

4Chan logs:

https://archive.is/aR2D9#selection-34727.0-34743.6

 

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Carl Bernstein who broke the story (same guy who broke Watergate btw) said that the MI6 investigator brought it to the attention of the FBI in August, way before any of those posts. When McCain gave them the memos the FBI already had part of them.

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CNN has also learned that on December 9, Senator John McCain gave a full copy of the memos -- dated from June through December, 2016 -- to FBI Director James Comey. McCain became aware of the memos from a former British diplomat who had been posted in Moscow. But the FBI had already been given a set of the memos compiled up to August 2016, when the former MI6 agent presented them to an FBI official in Rome, according to national security officials.

I can believe that 4chan would try something like this, but for them to be able to fool the FBI, CIA, NSA and DNI just by sending a single document is laughable. You're brainwashed.

I don't know if any of what's in the dossier can be verified conclusively, but I'm going to wait and see.

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Some of the memos were circulating as far back as last summer. What has changed since then is that US intelligence agencies have now checked out the former British intelligence operative and his vast network throughout Europe and find him and his sources to be credible enough to include some of the information in the presentations to the President and President-elect a few days ago.

 

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