Trump / US politics thread 🚽

[tumbleweedt]

Back to their safe-spaces?

[Camacho]

 

[FreeMySoul]

that says it all

[spazz]

 

[Guest Pud Whacker]

I LOVE MELANIA!!!

[LSD]

[Guest Pud Whacker]

Nobody Cares

[FreeMySoul]

they do

[Gaudet]

They care, we care... hot voice @Pud Whacker

 

[Guest Pud Whacker]

WTF does that have to do with President Trump?

that should be in First Lady MELANIA Trump's anti bullying thread!!!

[KalamazooJay]

2 hours ago, Kim said:

Most of us who can see it are non-Americans. Where are all those who've bailed from the discussion though? The one's who didn't know the first thing about politics, but just couldn't wait to have a female pwesident?! That's what I'm wondering

I supported and voted for Bernie in the Michigan primary. I wasn't a passionate supporter, but I appreciated him and felt he best represented my values. 

He lost. 

Hillary was the nominee. She was the nominee against Donald fucking Trump. 

Therefore, she had my vote. She had my vote because I believed Bernie, Elizabeth Warren, and the progressive wing of the party would've held her feet to the fire. 

I didn't throw a fit. I wasn't enthused, but whatever. Who cares. She was probably going to some eye rolling shit, but I never found her to be dangerous. 

I still can't shake this anger. Anger at the media. At republicans. At democrats. At Bernie Bro's. At pollsters. At Hillary. At Obama. At my own state. My family. 

What a miserable time to be in America. I'm so happy we were in Napa the week before so I have cases of wine shipped to my house daily. 😭🍷

[KalamazooJay]

4 hours ago, mnino said:

As you have mentioned, these folks in the Rust Belt are going through a tough time for a while now just like the African Americans, Latinos and other minorities have been for decades. But the kicker is that if they complain about their disadvantage (not being more educated and therefore not getting better jobs) they are reminded that because they are white they will never completely have it as bad as a racial minority. You see, they still have white privilege to help them. So, should they be content with their current economic situation because other folks have it worse? Doesn't that sound absurd? Can you see how that kind of rhetoric from the Democratic base can breed the kind of white nationalism you also mentioned? I've yet to find a Republican talking about triggers and white privilege. The democratic party was very vocal throughout this campaign about defending the Black Lives Matter movement, the illegal immigrants and refugees. But if Bernie Sanders had not brought up the blue collar worker situation front and center, I'm not sure Hillary would have done anything to move from the center to the left. 

Now, I'm not defending the bitterness that some blue collar workers may have fostered towards people that they think are getting better treatment (or at least, more attention) than they are, but to dismiss their frustrations with a system that has left them behind is only going to alienate them. Oh, but they should just suck it up and go to school and get better jobs... Well, you can say the same about other minorities (but if you do, you may be called a few names). 

Ironically, people in the Rust Belt areas mostly voted for Obama because of how pro-union the Democrats have been. The Dems have been claiming themselves to be the party of the blue collar worker for decades now while painting the Repubs as pro big business. But as you also mentioned, these places have gotten progressively worse economically over the last 30 years and Hillary was a continuation of the same old same old in their eyes. Did anybody believe that she would do anything different than Obama did? Blue collar workers surely didn't believe it. Bernie Sanders would have gotten their vote and nobody would be calling them racists and xenophobes right now. 

So, I'm not disagreeing with you per se but wanted to expand the notion that blue collar workers voted solely because of race and gender. 

I agree with many points you've raised. Good points too.

However...... 

And I'll say this again  I grew UP in the rust belt and more specifically, in a depressed community. And let me tell you this: 

When those of us in the "township" got our drivers licenses, we were given one warning: Do NOT cross "the river" onto East Gennessee Road. 

Why? Because that was the ghetto. That's where the blacks lived. Where the gangs were. This was said in the 80's until I got mine 1996 and is being said to this day. 

So, what did I do? I crossed the bridge. It wasn't so bad. I actually found a smokey old coffee shop that I hung out at daily. Wrote in a journal, listened to Tori Amos and drank tea. 

Whats my point? 

That there's always, ALWAYS, been a nasty underbelly of subtle racism in the rust belt that was exploited by Trump AND EXPLODED into a mainstream acceptable way of life. Truth. 

You're KIDDING yourself if you think the people on the outskirts of Saginaw county Michigan were ever going to vote for Bernie. This goes for many, many other areas of the Midwest and south for that matter. 

They weren't. Why? Because many of these individuals told me they'd never do so.

Trump is their champion. Like he said, he could shoot someone in 5th avenue and still have their vote. 

 

 

 

[Guest CzarnaWisnia]

7 hours ago, MeakMaker said:

Standing by hate is never a nice view. Its no pure coincidence that while half America is in turmoil and hate crimes even amongst kids are becoming more and more common the far right wing is about to take an incredible amount of power this time around. If their beliefs are taken for granted I fear that the individual dignity that every man possesses might be compromised. 

A president being derogatory against women, against other races and on top of it a multimillionaire will never appeal to anyone unless you're exactly like that. And my point is every time I say something about him or his policies people respond with their Hillary theories. Honestly, you are just missing the point. Hillary is out of the picture now! It's the Donald that needs to be discussing. He's the one in power! Hillary has become a boring subject. Stop dragging her out every time I condemn Trumps views and actions. 

I know what you mean but I don't think you know what I mean. I don't care about Clinton. She's just one person. But it's important to recognize what brought us to this point. Sure we can criticize Trump : who doesn't ? And many more will in the coming months and years. I just hope it's not forgotten what allowed this mess to happen. Trump didn't suddenly win everybody's heart and soul during the campaign. And you can criticize Trump as much as you want, and that's good, but if you personalize this, you're wrong. He is also just one person. Both the GOP and the Dem. P. have moved to the right over the last many years, that should be a greater concern I think even though the current situation and Trump are a more immediate concern.

[Guest CzarnaWisnia]

2 hours ago, Hector said:

 

 

that's protest in Poland against the government's proposition to ban all abortions except in rare cases. (CzarnyProtest = Black Protest)

[Camacho]

 

[XXL]

1 hour ago, CzarnaWisnia said:

I know what you mean but I don't think you know what I mean. I don't care about Clinton. She's just one person. But it's important to recognize what brought us to this point. Sure we can criticize Trump : who doesn't ? And many more will in the coming months and years. I just hope it's not forgotten what allowed this mess to happen. Trump didn't suddenly win everybody's heart and soul during the campaign. And you can criticize Trump as much as you want, and that's good, but if you personalize this, you're wrong. He is also just one person. Both the GOP and the Dem. P. have moved to the right over the last many years, that should be a greater concern I think even though the current situation and Trump are a more immediate concern.

 

 

 

[XXL]

7 hours ago, Hector said:

 

 

[XXL]

6 hours ago, mnino said:

As you have mentioned, these folks in the Rust Belt are going through a tough time for a while now just like the African Americans, Latinos and other minorities have been for decades. But the kicker is that if they complain about their disadvantage (not being more educated and therefore not getting better jobs) they are reminded that because they are white they will never completely have it as bad as a racial minority. You see, they still have white privilege to help them. So, should they be content with their current economic situation because other folks have it worse? Doesn't that sound absurd? Can you see how that kind of rhetoric from the Democratic base can breed the kind of white nationalism you also mentioned? I've yet to find a Republican talking about triggers and white privilege. The democratic party was very vocal throughout this campaign about defending the Black Lives Matter movement, the illegal immigrants and refugees. But if Bernie Sanders had not brought up the blue collar worker situation front and center, I'm not sure Hillary would have done anything to move from the center to the left. 

Now, I'm not defending the bitterness that some blue collar workers may have fostered towards people that they think are getting better treatment (or at least, more attention) than they are, but to dismiss their frustrations with a system that has left them behind is only going to alienate them. Oh, but they should just suck it up and go to school and get better jobs... Well, you can say the same about other minorities (but if you do, you may be called a few names). 

Ironically, people in the Rust Belt areas mostly voted for Obama because of how pro-union the Democrats have been. The Dems have been claiming themselves to be the party of the blue collar worker for decades now while painting the Repubs as pro big business. But as you also mentioned, these places have gotten progressively worse economically over the last 30 years and Hillary was a continuation of the same old same old in their eyes. Did anybody believe that she would do anything different than Obama did? Blue collar workers surely didn't believe it. Bernie Sanders would have gotten their vote and nobody would be calling them racists and xenophobes right now. 

So, I'm not disagreeing with you per se but wanted to expand the notion that blue collar workers voted solely because of race and gender. 

 

 

 

I am concerned that my party cannot speak to the heart of the working class more than an entertainer billionaire can

And therein lies one of the reasons for the loss

Aside from the extreme personalisation in tone in this campaign imo

 

 

 

 

[Camacho]

*FLUSH* 

 

[XXL]

1 minute ago, Hector said:

*FLUSH* 

 

 

 

Good  

[Ciccone's Cheeks]

Omfg if rumors start to erupt that he's even seriously considering that William Pryor to the Supreme Court (or anyone in/around that bad). Will be bloodshed all over the country but esp in every blue or purple city. That or states literally will try to secede from the union. Pud ain't gonna like Putin/Trumps orange anus anymore.  

[Camacho]

 

[Kurt420]

I'm not even a Hillary "fan" but I'm so sick of seeing her shit on by everyone. She's done so many things no differently than any other politician yet when SHE does it, it's as if it were the first time and EVIL EVIL EVIL. The woman has dedicated her life to public service. That ALONE makes her more qualified than Trump to be President. 

What went wrong? The electoral college that's what. More Americans voted for Hillary Clinton as their president and that's a fact. What's that I hear?? Us crazy left-wingers didn't care about the electoral college until now? You got it! This is the first time the votes of the electoral college placed an unqualified, hate monger in office so YES, it does need to be questioned at this point. If the person who Americans vote as their president doesn't become their president then that needs to be addressed. The question that needs to be answered is how do Republicans gain control of everything at a time when the sitting Democratic president has good approval ratings, the Dem candidate was ahead THE WHOLE TIME in the polls and the Democratic candidate won the popular vote? It doesn't seem very organic to me. It's like someone above Trump, above Hillary and above the electoral college pulled a string and said "ok...now it's the Republicans turn". The way this turned out leads me to believe that it didn't really matter who was running on both sides.....it was going to be Republicans turn regardless. 

I truly hope "Crooked Hillary" is somewhere in the background living up to her name, paying off SOMEONE, pulling strings somewhere, working her magic to get those electoral votes overturned somehow, some way. Very unlikely I know but hey, if anyone can pull it off it's that evil, manipulative CROOKED HILLARY right??  

[Kurt420]

8 hours ago, KalamazooJay said:

Where are you from? I'm genuinely curious. 

To answer your question bluntly, yes a lot of them are. They may not realize or understand that they are, but a lot of these individuals from Youngstown OH, Flint MI, and rural Pennsylvania absolutely have xenophobic, homophobic, and racist tendencies. It's not based out of a hatred for minorities, but out of a fear of them perpetrated by the right. And the Donald rathched up that fear and threw gasoline on an already burning fire. 

 Now, before you come for me, know this. I grew up in an extremely depressed community until I was 21. Saginaw, MI. This city has gotten progressively worse economically over the last 30 years. The bottom has yet to fall out. Population declining, the roads are from a third world country, and its core industries have been hollowed out. 

I still go home every 3 months or so to see my family, mom, dad and sister. Even THEY have become more racist. I've never heard some of the racial slurs from them that I've heard over the last 6-8 years. It's horrifying. And when I visit my friends from H.S, I hear the same shit.

Calling Mi* Obama an ape.

Saying that Barrack is from Kenya. 

This isn't fringe thinking! I actually KNOW people who say and think these things. 

Indivuduals in these declining rust belt cities have been made to believe in white nationalism without even knowing it. That's what I find so unbelievably scary. 

 

 

BAM!!! You hit that right on the nose and I'm sorry, but someone sitting in NYC, LA or across the ocean somewhere DOES NOT FULLY GRASP THIS I don't think. I live in the city in VA and both my city and the state of course went blue, however, if I drive 20-30 minutes to the county I grew up in, it's just as you described. Fortunately, VA hasn't had quite the decline that states in the "rust belt" have had but these people are just pissed for the mere fact that they've had to endure a "n***** President" for 8 years. That's TRUTH! I've heard it MANY MANY MANY times with my own ears and SADLY from my own family in some cases. When Obama got elected they were talking about how it's a sign the Anti-Christ has come back to earth and it's the beginning of the end....RAPTURE coming..........it's fucking EMBARRASSING!! THESE are the people that need to be fucking deported.

[Camacho]

 

[FreeMySoul]

I've decided to sit back and let this train wreck run its course. 

[Nightshade]

1 minute ago, FreeMySoul said:

I've decided to sit back and let this train wreck run its course. 

It's all you can do at this point. I mean, you can protest, but really that energy is better spent in the 2018 midterms. PLEASE OH PLEASE let this mess lead to the largest Democratic Senate and House majorities ever.

[GOD]

8 hours ago, ULIZOS said:

When I decided to vote for Bernie, many people said here they rather vote for someone who's safe and a continuation of Obama's policies than someone who's too risky because he's a socialist. 

Where were all of you who knew that Hillary was the worst choice EVER? Did everyone decide to speak the truth literally one day after the elections? 

I was vocal about my pro support to Bernie from the beginning. Even got some shade, from The night.

[Guest Pud Whacker]

30 minutes ago, FreeMySoul said:

I've decided to sit back and let this train wreck run its course. 

Of course! Always listen to me for internal happiness. 

Just wait until a MELANIA holiday party!!!

[ULIZOS]

29 minutes ago, Nightshade said:

It's all you can do at this point. I mean, you can protest, but really that energy is better spent in the 2018 midterms. PLEASE OH PLEASE let this mess lead to the largest Democratic Senate and House majorities ever.

You guys have been saying that since 2010 

I remember like 2 years ago people here were saying that the Republican party was a thing of the past and they desperately needed to reinvent themselves. 

Well, they did reinvent themselves and they WON  They won EVERYTHING