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4 hours ago, Hector said:

 

I think she's probably best waiting for all the data to come in before going there.

 

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7 hours ago, Kurt420 said:

This is the best (lengthy though) thing I've read today:

I don’t think you understand us right now.
 
I think you think this is about politics.
 
I think you believe this is all just sour grapes; the crocodile tears of the losing locker room with the scoreboard going against us at the buzzer.
 
I can only tell you that you’re wrong. This is not about losing an election. This isn’t about not winning a contest. This is about two very different ways of seeing the world.
 
Hillary supporters believe in a diverse America; one where religion or skin color or sexual orientation or place of birth aren’t liabilities or deficiencies or moral defects. Her campaign was one of inclusion and connection and interdependency. It was about building bridges and breaking ceilings. It was about going high.
 
Trump supporters believe in a very selective America; one that is largely white and straight and Christian, and the voting verified this. Donald Trump has never made any assertions otherwise. He ran a campaign of fear and exclusion and isolation—and that’s the vision of the world those who voted for him have endorsed.
 
They have aligned with the wall-builder and the professed p*ssy-grabber, and they have co-signed his body of work, regardless of the reasons they give for their vote:
 
Every horrible thing Donald Trump ever said about women or Muslims or people of color has now been validated.
Every profanity-laced press conference and every call to bully protestors and every ignorant diatribe has been endorsed.
Every piece of anti-LGBTQ legislation Mike Pence has championed has been signed-off on.
 
Half of our country has declared these things acceptable, noble, American.
 
This is the disconnect and the source of our grief today. It isn’t a political defeat that we’re lamenting, it’s a defeat for Humanity.
 
We’re not angry that our candidate lost. We’re angry because our candidate’s losing means this country will be less safe, less kind, and less available to a huge segment of its population, and that’s just the truth.
 
Those who have always felt vulnerable are now left more so. Those whose voices have been silenced will be further quieted. Those who always felt marginalized will be pushed further to the periphery. Those who feared they were seen as inferior now have confirmation in actual percentages.
 
Those things have essentially been campaign promises of Donald Trump, and so many of our fellow citizens have said this is what they want too.
 
This has never been about politics.
This is not about one candidate over the other.
It’s not about one’s ideas over another’s.
It is not blue vs. red.
It’s not her emails vs. his bad language.
It’s not her dishonesty vs. his indecency.
 
It’s about overt racism and hostility toward minorities.
It’s about religion being weaponized.
It’s about crassness and vulgarity and disregard for women.
It’s about a barricaded, militarized, bully nation.
It’s about an unapologetic, open-faced ugliness.
 
And it is not only that these things have been ratified by our nation that grieve us; all this hatred, fear, racism, bigotry, and intolerance—it’s knowing that these things have been amen-ed by our neighbors, our families, our friends, those we work with and worship alongside. That is the most horrific thing of all. We now know how close this is.
 
It feels like living in enemy territory being here now, and there’s no way around that. We wake up today in a home we no longer recognize. We are grieving the loss of a place we used to love but no longer do. This may be America today but it is not the America we believe in or recognize or want.
 
This is not about a difference of political opinion, as that’s far too small to mourn over. It’s about a fundamental difference in how we view the worth of all people—not just those who look or talk or think or vote the way we do.
 
Grief always laments what might have been, the future we were robbed of, the tomorrow that we won’t get to see, and that is what we walk through today. As a nation we had an opportunity to affirm the beauty of our diversity this day, to choose ideas over sound bytes, to let everyone know they had a place at the table, to be the beacon of goodness and decency we imagine that we are—and we said no.
 
The Scriptures say that weeping endures for a night but joy comes in the morning. We can’t see that dawn coming any time soon.
 
And this is why we grieve.

:clap::gross:

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The Oscar-winning screenwriter of The Social Network and mastermind behind The West Wing reacts to Donald Trump being elected the 45th president of the United States in a moving letter written to his 15-year-old daughter Roxy and her mother Julia Sorkin.

Sorkin Girls,

Well the world changed late last night in a way I couldn’t protect us from. That’s a terrible feeling for a father. I won’t sugarcoat it—this is truly horrible. It’s hardly the first time my candidate didn’t win (in fact it’s the sixth time) but it is the first time that a thoroughly incompetent pig with dangerous ideas, a serious psychiatric disorder, no knowledge of the world and no curiosity to learn has.

And it wasn’t just Donald Trump who won last night—it was his supporters too. The Klan won last night. White nationalists. Sexists, racists and buffoons. Angry young white men who think rap music and Cinco de Mayo are a threat to their way of life (or are the reason for their way of life) have been given cause to celebrate. Men who have no right to call themselves that and who think that women who aspire to more than looking hot are shrill, ugly, and otherwise worthy of our scorn rather than our admiration struck a blow for misogynistic shitheads everywhere. Hate was given hope. Abject dumbness was glamorized as being “the fresh voice of an outsider” who’s going to “shake things up.” (Did anyone bother to ask how? Is he going to re-arrange the chairs in the Roosevelt Room?) For the next four years, the President of the United States, the same office held by Washington and Jefferson, Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt, F.D.R., J.F.K. and Barack Obama, will be held by a man-boy who’ll spend his hours exacting Twitter vengeance against all who criticize him (and those numbers will be legion). We’ve embarrassed ourselves in front of our children and the world.

And the world took no time to react. The Dow futures dropped 7,000 points overnight. Economists are predicting a deep and prolonged recession. Our NATO allies are in a state of legitimate fear. And speaking of fear, Muslim-Americans, Mexican-Americans and African-Americans are shaking in their shoes. And we’d be right to note that many of Donald Trump’s fans are not fans of Jews. On the other hand, there is a party going on at ISIS headquarters. What wouldn’t we give to trade this small fraction of a man for Richard Nixon right now?

So what do we do?

First of all, we remember that we’re not alone. A hundred million people in America and a billion more around the world feel exactly the same way we do.

Second, we get out of bed. The Trumpsters want to see people like us (Jewish, “coastal elites,” educated, socially progressive, Hollywood…) sobbing and wailing and talking about moving to Canada. I won’t give them that and neither will you. Here’s what we’ll do…

…we’ll fucking fight. (Roxy, there’s a time for this kind of language and it’s now.) We’re not powerless and we’re not voiceless. We don’t have majorities in the House or Senate but we do have representatives there. It’s also good to remember that most members of Trump’s own party feel exactly the same way about him that we do. We make sure that the people we sent to Washington—including Kamala Harris—take our strength with them and never take a day off.

We get involved. We do what we can to fight injustice anywhere we see it—whether it’s writing a check or rolling up our sleeves. Our family is fairly insulated from the effects of a Trump presidency so we fight for the families that aren’t. We fight for a woman to keep her right to choose. We fight for the First Amendment and we fight mostly for equality—not for a guarantee of equal outcomes but for equal opportunities. We stand up.

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How is it possible that in a country of 300m people all presidents happen to share the same genealogical lineage dating to as far back as the 17th century, not to mention the endless political dinasties, the Bushes, Clintons so on and so forth. People that delude themselves into thinking that Trump isn't controlled by the system, good luck with that thinking too.

What goes completely amiss in what's going on is that the goal from the get go is to pit people against other people by race, religion, income bracket, sexuality, gender etc you name it because when people are distracted, fighting each other, the most heineous things are allowed to take place right under their noses without them noticing.

What happens is that Trump will start acting a little more presidential but in the end he will be forced to continue the same mendacious policies from US leadership we have seen during the 16 years of both the Bush administration and the Obama administration.

This is no conspiracy theory talk. It's how things are developing in front of our eyes daily. American Middle Classes have been destroyed by Bush first and then continued to be butchered during the Obama years under the false cloak of hope and change, meanwhile the discontent understandably generated by those policies is used to fuel a TV star/entrepeneur/fake successful man for the people consigning the same people to more years of the same shit. It's all a huge scam.

When will people weake up to the notion that in fact we live in one party states disguised as democracy? When will people question what Obama has actually done in the past 8 years rather than thinking it's a matter of left vs right, ideology bullshit that has poisoned our lives since the end of WW2?

They don't care, they do not work for the people. Why aren't people discussing why we have a Middle East that is reduced in tatters and that in turns starts an avalanche of further disasters? Instead of shouting USA USA USA like a mindless herd of sheeple

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Just to look at the names throwing around for his cabinet is downright scary. Ugly people. Inside and out. And especially the attorney general post. One downright crazy man, one that may end up in prison and one woman that was most likely bribed to stop a lawsuit against the very person that might be her boss.

And look at all the politicians that have congratulated him the most. Putin, Duterte, Erdogan, Wilders, Le Pen, Farage. People must be blind and deaf to no realize what's going on.

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15 minutes ago, Raider of the lost Ark said:

Just to look at the names throwing around for his cabinet is downright scary. Ugly people. Inside and out. And especially the attorney general post. One downright crazy man, one that may end up in prison and one woman that was most likely bribed to stop a lawsuit against the very person that might be her boss.

And look at all the politicians that have congratulated him the most. Putin, Duterte, Erdogan, Wilders, Le Pen, Farage. People must be blind and deaf to no realize what's going on.

And of course the American left wing establishment policies of alienating people by taking money from Saudi Arabia in exchange for arms that went on to being funnelled into international terrorism are never to be blamed?

And further alienating them by giving more power to the manufactured Wall Street side to the economy that has resulted in the empoverishment of middle classes both in NA and Europe. People sometimes like to pretend there is no consequentiality between one thing and another well it's not the way things are

Trump obviously speaks to the racists, bigots, mysoginists etc etc etc and so do other phenomenon that you have mentioned but can we be honest and say the samey BANK-friendly policies of right wing or left wing governments alike in the West have also contributed to this outcome or shall we pretend this data is not there?

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a lot of americans were tired with the establishment 

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I don't know why but I'm not surprised :rolleyes:

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57 minutes ago, XXL said:

How is it possible that in a country of 300m people all presidents happen to share the same genealogical lineage dating to as far back as the 17th century, not to mention the endless political dinasties, the Bushes, Clintons so on and so forth. People that delude themselves into thinking that Trump isn't controlled by the system, good luck with that thinking too.

What goes completely amiss in what's going on is that the goal from the get go is to pit people against other people by race, religion, income bracket, sexuality, gender etc you name it because when people are distracted, fighting each other, the most heineous things are allowed to take place right under their noses without them noticing.

What happens is that Trump will start acting a little more presidential but in the end he will be forced to continue the same mendacious policies from US leadership we have seen during the 16 years of both the Bush administration and the Obama administration.

This is no conspiracy theory talk. It's how things are developing in front of our eyes daily. American Middle Classes have been destroyed by Bush first and then continued to be butchered during the Obama years under the false cloak of hope and change, meanwhile the discontent understandably generated by those policies is used to fuel a TV star/entrepeneur/fake successful man for the people consigning the same people to more years of the same shit. It's all a huge scam.

When will people weake up to the notion that in fact we live in one party states disguised as democracy? When will people question what Obama has actually done in the past 8 years rather than thinking it's a matter of left vs right, ideology bullshit that has poisoned our lives since the end of WW2?

They don't care, they do not work for the people. Why aren't people discussing why we have a Middle East that is reduced in tatters and that in turns starts an avalanche of further disasters? Instead of shouting USA USA USA like a mindless herd of sheeple

What about the good things he's done? That's not enough? The fact that he was fighting a republican controlled house? We can't EVER know how much he wanted to do because it was probably SHOT down by those against him. 

 

Sometimes i I just don't feel like there's any president that will be good enough. It really hurts me how people bash Obama when they know nothing about what he could have trying to be doing in the White House, how they think he's just sitting back doing nothing. I just don't get it

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12 minutes ago, drunkbysix said:

What about the good things he's done? That's not enough? The fact that he was fighting a republican controlled house? We can't EVER know how much he wanted to do because it was probably SHOT down by those against him. 

 

Sometimes i I just don't feel like there's any president that will be good enough. It really hurts me how people bash Obama when they know nothing about what he could have trying to be doing in the White House, how they think he's just sitting back doing nothing. I just don't get it

do you prefer bernie?

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2 hours ago, Toni said:

 

 

Yep, this was an election for the Democratic Party to lose given the changing demographics and, boy, did it ever lose... Most of the establishment Dems got there by some sort of Clinton connection (they have been there forever...) and so no one was willing to challenge to coronation of Hillary. It's clear to see now that Sanders would have beat Trump easily in the Rust Belt. Dems picked the wrong candidate, the only one that could have lost to Trump. This election was lost not because more people voted for Trump. They didn't and this graph totally proves that. The election was lost because of the candidate and what she stood for, not her gender.

This commentator has some good insights on why most Democrats didn't vote for Hillary. 

"On the surface, it's astounding that a man who ripped off thousands of people who worked for him became the champion of the regular Joe. But, as Bernie Sanders reiterated (...) , the problem is that people have ceased to see a difference between the parties, particularly on economic issues. I'll briefly cite a few examples. 

Starting out with NAFTA, Bill Clinton forced "free trade" upon the party. I warned multiple times during the election that Trump would make inroads with voters in the Rust Belt unless Democrats made a clean break from corporate trade deals. Around the globe, these deals are a key tool to drive down wages, exploit workers and prosecute global class warfare. But, the current president still serves up the malarkey about the benefits of these deals.
Bill Clinton's broader economic agenda was even more corrosive. During Clinton's so-called "good economy," the decline of organized labor continued. The president, and his secretary of labor, Robert Reich, did very little to arrest the decline.
No Democratic president was more focused on letting business interests off the leash. He gave more power to media companies, triggering consolidation and a powerful wave of concentration of the media into a few hands. The average person, not steeped in policy, understood this every time he or she opened their skyrocketing cable bills.
Hand-in-glove with Wall Street, Clinton got rid of the Glass Steagall Act, which removed the separation between commercial banks, insurers and investment banks, allowing the self-dealing manipulation of mortgages and interest rates and accelerating the shifting of huge wealth into the hands of a few.
Again, the average person, just trying to make ends meet, eventually got the sharpest end of that spear when millions of people lost their homes, jobs and retirement in the thundering collapse known as the Great Recession, which, for many, has been a depression.
There is so much more: A planet dying because for years fossil fuel interests were coddled. Welfare reform. Mass incarceration of people of color, which had both racial and economic consequences. The praise of the Clinton years, and red-faced defense by its leader, was always couched in contrast to the Reagan and two Bush Administrations. Great.
Feeding off the Clinton machine, the Democratic Party has become riddled with lobbyists, billionaires, and hustlers who pocket huge sums of money by running either nonprofit "think tanks" or election-cycle networks, and politicians who, indeed, are focused mostly on reelection. Surrounding the party are extremely well-paid non-profit leaders, who end up defending the status quo.
Chief component of the Clinton machine in recent years, the Clinton Foundation operated somewhat out of sight.
The big donations streaming from anti-union powerhouses like Wal-Mart or big financial entities like Bank of America not only whitewashed the policies of interests directly opposed to what the Democratic Party should stand for, but they also clouded the deeper systemic crisis within the party. We can only address climate change, poverty and global inequality by axing the very system benefiting many of the donors to the Clinton Foundation."
It's too late now and lessons will be learned. Hopefully, the right to vote in this country will not be taken for granted so much. But I do have a hard time with people, especially those living outside the US, that keep labeling this country as racist and bigoted. People, Trump didn't even get the majority of the votes! And I bet that a lot of people voted against her and not for him. Now, if you're a big Hillary fan, this may be hard to understand because you most likely had to turn a blind eye to the many red flags in her past. People do that often. They turn a blind eye to the negative traits of a person when they believe that his or her good traits trump (pun intended) their flaws. 
Hillary fans were willing to lose this election by supporting a very disliked establishment candidate when Americans in general has been voting for change ever since Obama was elected. Obama won against Hillary because he was the candidate of change! He beat her because she was the establishment. If dems did it, then why would the general electoral body not do it? 
I also think it is very disingenuous to paint a misogynistic brush over the election's results. Fathers talking to their daughters and explaining why America still does not have a female president need to be careful in not putting the blame on a constituency that cannot handle a woman in power. That's bull. There are people like that (a lot of them even) but they are the minority, they can't elect presidents. Dems voted for a man instead of woman back in 2008, is the race of person more important than their gender? Dems voted for Obama because they wanted change and not because she was a woman. Hillary's track record and not her gender is what worked against her. 
 
 
 
 

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2 hours ago, FreeMySoul said:

Um..if Trump goes then we get Pence :# Honestly think he'd be worse! Yep we're fucked lol 

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Oh and it absolutely was more of an anti/ meh Clinton vote than 'pro Trump vote' Many people esp in the media seem to overlooking that! Was total Indifference or apathy towards her. She simply lost by default to Trump. We ALL knew his voters were coming out and hers prob. wouldn't . That's the only reason she had every A lister come out a few days before the election. You do that when you're a dud of a candidate. Not at all surprised and predicted that would happen almost from day 1. Dems are more to blame than the Republicans sorry. Anyway, Kamela Harris, Elizabeth Warren, Maggie Hasson or Julian Castro for 2020 lol! I'm telling you now one of them is gonna be the nominee in 4 years, 

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28 minutes ago, Ciccone's Cheeks said:

Um..if Trump goes then we get Pence :# Honestly think he'd be worse! Yep we're fucked lol 

then another petition will be created for him 

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8 minutes ago, FreeMySoul said:

then another petition will be created for him 

Sorry but we would all be rolling our eyes if people were petitioning to impeach Hillary had she won. Democracy worked. People have to deal with it.

Wanna protest? Go ahead, it's your right.

Impeachment? Get a life.

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That says it all.

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24 minutes ago, mnino said:

Sorry but we would all be rolling our eyes if people were petitioning to impeach Hillary had she won. Democracy worked. People have to deal with it.

Wanna protest? Go ahead, it's your right.

Impeachment? Get a life.

To be honest with you.... he needs to be impeached as soon as possible. 

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10 hours ago, Sloane said:

It's barely been 24 hours, he hasn't even done anything yet. So stupid. And this from the same group who were scolding Trump about maybe contesting the election and peaceful transfer of power. Weird.

 

Don't you realize that America is still paying the heavy price for Reagan's fuck-ups?  One small example...you know all those high percentage rates you pay on your credit cards?  The small print on loan applications that no one reads?  Those fees that banks charge you?  "Dollar Loan" stores?  The heavy debt this country is carrying?  College debt?  For profit businesses?  Who do you think is responsible for that?  This is going to have a long lasting effect for generations to come.  

 

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The first person in this forum who can give me the definition of 'impeachment' gets a cookie. 

And, name the two presidents of the US who have been impeached?

 

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I think Trump is fucked with the russian connections. Putin will play it friendly at the start when he needs the US agreement for some projects (like Syria). But as soon as the russian  interests will diverge again from the US interests (and it will happen), Putin will release all the stuff he has on Trump (via Wikileaks if needed) and the Trump presidency will go down in chaos. Mark my words.

Trump likes to think he's as smart as Putin but he's not.

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6 minutes ago, Moka said:

I think Trump is fucked with the russian connections. Putin will play it friendly at the start when he needs the US agreement for some projects (like Syria). But as soon as the russian  interests will diverge again from the US interests (and it will happen), Putin will release all the stuff he has on Trump (via Wikileaks if needed) and the Trump presidency will go down in chaos. Mark my words.

Trump likes to think he's as smart as Putin but he's not.

If it only would be a vikileaks scandal. Those two are not putting all the money on national defence ( the army) for nothing!

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13 minutes ago, Moka said:

I think Trump is fucked with the russian connections. Putin will play it friendly at the start when he needs the US agreement for some projects (like Syria). But as soon as the russian  interests will diverge again from the US interests (and it will happen), Putin will release all the stuff he has on Trump (via Wikileaks if needed) and the Trump presidency will go down in chaos. Mark my words.

Trump likes to think he's as smart as Putin but he's not.

I've always had a strong feeling the Republicans plan if Trump won was to drop all that Russian shit and 'oppo' ONCE he got in office so they could then impeach him. I'm telling you, still don't think this guy has any clue what he got into or even wants the job! lol Like Russia, the Repubs know he's mentally ill just used to him win the white house and get power. The succeeded. Hate to say it again but think it's gonna be fking be President Pence a year or even way less from today :/. Just hope he's still buddies with Chuck Scheumer who ends up having a lot  of influence on the Supreme Court decision(s). 

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