Saudi-US bombing of Yemen

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The US just bombed Yemen, and no one's talking about it

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/oct/15/us-bombed-yemen-middle-east-conflict

 

What if the United States went to war and nobody here even noticed? The question is absurd, isn’t it? And yet, this almost perfectly describes what actually happened this past week.

While many Americans, myself included, were all hypnotized by the bizarre spectacle of the Republican nominee for president, a US navy destroyer fired a barrage of cruise missiles at three radar sites controlled by the rebel Houthi movement in Yemen. This attack marked the first time the US has fought the rebels directly in Yemen’s devastating civil war.

The cruise missile salvo ramps up the already significant US military involvement in deeply divided and desperately poor Yemen. While it’s true that the US has launched drone strikes on al-Qaida targets in Yemen for years, sometimes killing civilians and even US citizens, this particular military engagement has the potential to drag the US straight into a protracted and escalating conflict. And, as everyone knows, America has an uncanny ability to enter protracted and escalating military conflicts.

Yet we’ve heard absolutely nothing about this from our presidential candidates.

If we investigated, we would find that the Pentagon justified this attack as retaliation. Last week, missiles were fired on two separate occasions at another navy destroyer off of Yemen’s southern coast. Those missiles fell harmlessly into the water, but they were enough of a provocation that the navy responded with its own bombardment.

 

But we would also find that immediately prior to those incidents, on Saturday 8 October, a 500lb laser-guided US-made bomb was dropped on a funeral procession by the US-sponsored Saudi-led coalition fighting the rebels who, the Saudis say, are backed by Iran. This bomb killed more than 140 people, mostly civilians, and wounded more than 525 people. Human Rights Watch called the incident “an apparent war crime”.

 

That heinous attack led to a strong rebuke from the US, which has sold the Saudis $110bn worth of arms since President Obama assumed office, and recently approved the sale of $1.15bn more. The US also supplies the Saudis with necessary intelligence and logistics to prosecute its war. According to Reuters, the US government is also deeply concerned that it may be implicated in future war crimes prosecutions as a result of its support for the Saudi-led coalition.

 

This worry might explain why National Security Council spokesman Ned Price stated that “in light of this and other recent incidents, we … are prepared to adjust our support so as to better align [the Saudi-led coalition] with US principles, values and interests, including achieving an immediate and durable end to Yemen’s tragic conflict”. Sounds good. Then again, the US bombed Houthi positions days later.

The situation in Yemen is already catastrophic and largely out of view. Since the conflict began 18 months ago, more than 6,800 people have been killed. Both rebels and the regime have committed atrocities, though most of the dead are civilians and most have been killed by Saudi-led airstrikes. Almost 14.4 million people are now “food insecure”, according to the UN’s World Food Program, and 2.8 million people have been displaced. In 2015, there were 101 attacks on schools and hospitals. After two Doctors Without Borders hospitals were bombed resulting in 20 deaths – one in Taiz on 2 December 2015 and the other in Abs on 15 August this year – the humanitarian group was forced to withdraw from its six hospitals in northern Yemen. And the latest news is a cholera outbreak.

 

The Trump show has managed to bump all the serious and necessary policy debates not just off the table but out of the room. Presidential foreign policy discussions, for example, are now basically limited to who hates Isis more, who said what 13 years ago, and who believes Vladimir Putin is in charge of a roomful of hackers.

It’s not enough. All the current polls point to Hillary Clinton winning the presidential election, and there’s a desperate need for substantive answers regarding her policies. Will she merely continue Obama’s Yemen strategy, which has not only failed to end the war but could also soon escalate it? The prevailing wisdom among many Democrats has been to focus first on defeating Donald Trump before moving on to what’s next, but that’s no longer fair to voters nor, really, to the people of Yemen. We need to know not only what we’re voting against, but what we’re voting for. As the last few days have shown, the world doesn’t stop spinning while the US holds elections

 

 

 

 

 

[spazz]

Yemen is one of the arab countries that had a rich ancient civilization, something Saudi Arabia lacks.

I had a University colleague from Yemen I hope she is okay! She is not even living there anymore.

saudi arabia is the worst.

we have a political problem with them at the moment like a cold war all because it works in the favor of USA policy in region destroying Syria.

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I hope your Yemeni friend is fine Spazz

I really find it ludicrous how the US and NATO countries have a problem with Assad and want to "export democracy" in yet another Middle Eastern country yet no qualms whatsoever with the twisted, sick, blood-thirsty, repressive, medievally barbaric Sunni Saudi royal family

The truth at hand here which is very rarely discussed is the fact that Sunni countries like Turkey, Qatar and Saudi Arabia do not want the bridge that Shia countries represent and the US is using that as leverage to destroy the only two things that stand in its way of total control in the Middle East: Syria and Iran, two countries that like Libya before and the BRICS countries now (Brasil, Russia, India, China and South Africa) are waving fairwell to the 1971 established petrodollar system, a move that is increasingly risking to make the greenback worthless and the US Treasury (mired in decades old astronomical debt) insolvent

So essentially Syria, the South China Sea dispute and now Yemen are all PROXY wars to reveal the inevitable confrontation between the US-led West and China, Russia, Iran, India and most of the rapidly developing power houses. Western-created terrorism is just the icing on the cake for the sickos in power

I wonder when people will open their eyes to this. History repeating, sadly

[spazz]

Saudi arabia ,Qatar & Turkey are the triangle of evil in the Middle East I hope Erdogan burns in hell 

An European prominent politician visited him she found stolen iraq artifacts in his palace ,he is such a thieving cunt and murder 

 

[GOD]

Disgusting beyond words. Yay for Obama's approval ratings and yay for more of the same with Hillary. 

 

[Guest eroticerotic]

I'm definitely aware of this. 2017 is going to be one of the worst in history. 

 

I HOPE IM WRONG.

[GOD]

I saw something briefly on BBC 2 days ago. While CNN and the other channels are only covering Trump. Yes baby, distract people with this election. 

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U.S.-backed, Saudi-led coalition found responsible for Yemen funeral attack that killed more than 100

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/us-backed-saudi-led-coalition-claims-responsibility-for-yemen-funeral-attack-that-killed-more-than-150/2016/10/15/43a3adea-92bf-11e6-a6a3-d50061aa9fae_story.html

 

CAIRO — A Saudi Arabia-led investigation into an airstrike last week on a Yemeni funeral has concluded that Saudi-led coalition jets “wrongly” bombed the ceremony, killing more than 100 people, after receiving faulty information and not following proper procedures.

In a statement Saturday, the Joint Incidents Assessment Team based in the Saudi capital, Riyadh, said that “a party affiliated” with the chief of staff of Yemen’s president, Abed Rabbo Mansour Hadi, “wrongly passed information that there was a gathering of” armed rebel Houthi leaders in the Yemeni capital, Sanaa, on Oct. 8.

The party, the investigators said, “insisted that the location be targeted immediately as a legitimate military target.”

But the coalition’s air operations center ordered the attack “without obtaining approval from the Coalition command to support legitimacy and without following the Coalition command’s precautionary measures to ensure that the location is not a civilian one that may not be targeted,” the statement said. A coalition aircraft then “carried out the mission.”

“JIAT has found that because of noncompliance with Coalition rules of engagement and procedures, and the issuing of incorrect information a Coalition aircraft wrongly targeted the location, resulting in civilian deaths and injuries,” the statement said.

Mohammed Atbukhaiti, a senior Houthi official, welcomed the findings but said they showed how the coalition is “disorganized and reckless” and treats “the lives of the Yemeni people in a careless and disrespectful manner.” He urged the United Nations and the international community to independently investigate other human rights violations.

“This has not been the first incident where the Sandi-led coalition has targeted civil gatherings, killing and injuring large numbers of civilians,” he said.

Last Saturday’s attack on the Grand Hall, one of the most prominent venues in the Yemeni capital, was one of the deadliest single assaults of the 20-month civil war that has upended the Middle East’s poorest nation. At least three airstrikes hit crowds of mourners gathered inside the complex for a funeral for the father of a senior official in the Houthi administration.

 

The bombings killed senior officials and scores of civilians. Houthi administration officials said the number of dead was 135, while the United Nations placed the death toll at 140. Other media have reported the figure as 155. Hundreds more were wounded and remain in hospitals, many in critical condition.

Initially, the Saudi-led coalition denied that its warplanes carried out the strikes. But a day later it called the attack “regrettable and painful” and launched the investigation. The reversal came hours after the Obama administration expressed grave concern about the strikes and said it had launched a review of its “already significantly reduced support” to the Saudi-led coalition, declaring that U.S. support to the kingdom “is not a blank check.”

The Obama administration has come under fire from human rights groups and lawmakers for its backing of Saudi Arabia’s air campaign, which has routinely targeted hospitals and other civilian areas.

Tensions between Washington and the Houthis have grown in the past week. The United States accused the rebels of firing missiles at a Navy guided-missile destroyer last Sunday and Wednesday, attacks that failed. On Thursday, the United States retaliated by launching cruise missiles that destroyed three coastal radar sites controlled by the Houthis.

 

On one side of Yemen’s war is an alliance of Houthi rebels and loyalists of former Yemeni president Ali Abdullah Saleh. On the other is Hadi, Yemen’s elected president, who is backed by Saudi Arabia, the United States and their allies. Hadi fled to the southern port city of Aden last year after the Houthis seized Sanaa.

Saudi Arabia then entered the conflict in an attempt to restore Hadi to power. The Sunni Muslim monarchy has long been concerned about the Shiite Houthis and their links to its main regional rival, Iran’s Shiite theocracy.

Thousands of people, mostly civilians, have been killed in the war, according to the United Nations. Millions more are suffering from hunger, illness and displacement as a humanitarian disaster grips the nation. Human rights groups have accused the Saudi-led coalition of gross violations, which Riyadh has denied. The Houthis have also been accused of such abuses as recruiting child soldiers and forced disappearances of its opponents.

In its statement, the Saudi-led investigation team, which includes members of the coalition as well as American experts, said that the Coalition needed to take appropriate action against “those who caused the incident, and that compensation must be offered to the families of the victims.” It also urged coalition forces to review the rules of engagement for future operations.

At the same time, investigators claimed that some parties had “used this erroneous bombing to increase the number of victims,” adding that they were still gathering and analyzing data to determine the toll from the attack.

[spazz]

disgusting pigs I knew about about bombing the funeral ... truly sad.

I hope one day the Saudi Arabia empire fall down.

 

I forgot to say that Yemenis people are very cultured and they love reading & the yemeni girl who was my colleague never been to french school like i was and within one year in university she spoke French fluently and she became one the geniuses students at the faculty of education.

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http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-saudi-yemen-idUSKCN12A0BQ

Exclusive: As Saudis bombed Yemen, U.S. worried about legal blowback

 

From PBS:

 

The Obama administration went ahead with a $1.3 billion arms sale to Saudi Arabia last year despite warnings from some officials that the United States could be implicated in war crimes for supporting a Saudi-led air campaign in Yemen that has killed thousands of civilians, according to government documents and the accounts of current and former officials

State Department officials also were privately skeptical of the Saudi military's ability to target Houthi militants without killing civilians and destroying "critical infrastructure" needed for Yemen to recover, according to the emails and other records obtained by Reuters and interviews with nearly a dozen officials with knowledge of those discussions.

U.S. government lawyers ultimately did not reach a conclusion on whether U.S. support for the campaign would make the United States a "co-belligerent" in the war under international law, four current and former officials said. That finding would have obligated Washington to investigate allegations of war crimes in Yemen and would have raised a legal risk that U.S. military personnel could be subject to prosecution, at least in theory.

For instance, one of the emails made a specific reference to a 2013 ruling from the war crimes trial of former Liberian president Charles Taylor that significantly widened the international legal definition of aiding and abetting such crimes.

The ruling found that "practical assistance, encouragement or moral support" is sufficient to determine liability for war crimes. Prosecutors do not have to prove a defendant participated in a specific crime, the U.N.-backed court found.

Ironically, the U.S. government already had submitted the Taylor ruling to a military commission at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, to bolster its case that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and other al Qaeda detainees were complicit in the Sept 11, 2001 attacks.

The previously undisclosed material sheds light on the closed-door debate that shaped U.S. President Barack Obama’s response to what officials described as an agonizing foreign policy dilemma: how to allay Saudi concerns over a nuclear deal with Iran - Riyadh's arch-rival - without exacerbating a conflict in Yemen that has killed thousands.

The documents, obtained by Reuters under the Freedom of Information Act, date from mid-May 2015 to February 2016, a period during which State Department officials reviewed and approved the sale of precision munitions to Saudi Arabia to replenish bombs dropped in Yemen. The documents were heavily redacted to withhold classified information and some details of meetings and discussion.

(A selection of the documents can be viewed here: tmsnrt.rs/2dL4h6L; tmsnrt.rs/2dLbl2S; tmsnrt.rs/2dLb7Ji; tmsnrt.rs/2dLbbIX)

An air strike on a wake in Yemen on Saturday that killed more than 140 people renewed focus on the heavy civilian toll of the conflict. The Saudi-led coalition denied responsibility, but the attack drew the strongest rebuke yet from Washington, which said it would review its support for the campaign to "better align with U.S. principles, values and interests."

The State Department documents reveal new details of how the United States pressed the Saudis to limit civilian damage and provided detailed lists of sites to avoid bombing, even as officials worried about whether the Saudi military had the capacity to do so.

State Department lawyers "had their hair on fire" as reports of civilian casualties in Yemen multiplied in 2015, and prominent human rights groups charged that Washington could be complicit in war crimes, one U.S. official said. That official and the others requested anonymity.

During an October 2015 meeting with private human rights groups, a State Department specialist on protecting civilians in conflict acknowledged Saudi strikes were going awry.

"The strikes are not intentionally indiscriminate but rather result from a lack of Saudi experience with dropping munitions and firing missiles," the specialist said, according to a Department account of the meeting.

"The lack of Saudi experience is compounded by the asymmetric situation on the ground where enemy militants are not wearing uniforms and are mixed with civilian populations," he said. "Weak intelligence likely further compounds the problem."

The Saudis intervened in Yemen in March 2015 to restore President Abd-Rabbu Mansour Hadi after he was ousted by the Houthi rebels, whom Riyadh charges are backed by Iran. The Saudis gave Washington little advance notice, U.S. military leaders have said.

The Saudi government has called allegations of civilian casualties fabricated or exaggerated and has resisted calls for an independent investigation. The Saudi-led coalition has said it takes its responsibilities under international humanitarian law seriously, and is committed to the protection of civilians in Yemen. The Saudi embassy in Washington declined further comment.

In a statement issued to Reuters before Saturday's attack, National Security Council spokesman Ned Price said, "U.S. security cooperation with Saudi Arabia is not a blank check. ... We have repeatedly expressed our deep concern about airstrikes that allegedly killed and injured civilians and also the heavy humanitarian toll paid by the Yemeni people."

The United States continues to urge the Kingdom to take additional steps to avoid "future civilian harm," he added.
 

 

Such astounding hypocrisy and level of deception, not even subtle at it

 

 

 

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http://blogs.barrons.com/emergingmarketsdaily/2016/10/14/saudi-oil-deficit-exposed-after-u-s-yemen-strikes/

 

 

• October 14, 2016, 6:54 P.M. ET

Saudi Oil Deficit Exposed After U.S. Yemen Strikes

 

By Dimitra DeFotis

While China and the Fed grabbed all the headlines this week, it’s noteworthy that the United States lobbed some missiles at targets in Yemen.

The U.S. said it responded to provocation after rebels fired on U.S. warships, while many Yemenis saw the attacks as the manifestation of “the hidden hand behind Saudi Arabia’s punishing air war,” The New York Times reports. The Economist declared “the carnage in Yemen is at last attracting the world’s attention,” adding:

“Over 9,000 people have died in Yemen since Shia rebels, the Houthis, forced the government into exile, prompting a Saudi-led military intervention in March 2015.”

Meanwhile, as the Saudis seek to diversify their investments and returns away from oil, theSaudis are shopping bonds in Boston and New York the week of Oct. 17. And the Saudi sovereign wealth fund and Japan’s SoftBank are partnering on a multi-billion dollar tech investing fund, The Wall Street Journal reports.

The head of commodity strategy at RBC Capital Markets, Helima Croft, speaking Saturday at the Barron’s Art of Successful Investing conference in New York, and commodity strategistsMichael Tran and Christopher Louney, now expect the U.S. oil price to average $56.50 per barrel in 2017. They put the international Brent price average at $59  per barrel. Here are their thoughts on the Saudis, Yemen and prices:

“Saudi’s intervention in Yemen has put significant strain on Saudi finances and it looks like it will be a persistent drag. Signs of improving oil market fundamentals and sentiment are apparent, but we see prices grinding rather than gapping higher … as the market grapples with the historic level of global inventories, increasing US supply, and producer hedging pressure …

This week saw the first direct U.S. strikes on Houthi controlled Yemeni targets – the latest sign that the costly conflict shows no signs of abating. The US cruise missile strikes on three coastal radar sites came after two missiles were fired at the USS Mason on Sunday in the Red Sea. The escalation of U.S. involvement comes as the 19-month Saudi campaign to roll back Houthi territorial gains comes under increasing scrutiny in Washington as critics charge that it is once again turning the country into a terrorist sanctuary and a humanitarian disaster. A Saudi airstrike on a funeral in Sanaa earlier this month left 140 dead. As we have noted, the military intervention is proving a major drain on the Saudi treasury, driving military spending to record levels and offsetting some of the fiscal gains achieved by the removal of subsidies. It is also putting key Saudi infrastructure in the south of the country at risk, with Houthi missile strikes hitting a power station in August …

The higher and faster prices climb into year-end, the more pressure they could be under next year given the recent flurry of producer hedging. US producers become increasingly price agnostic as hedge ratios increase, which underscores the importance of OPEC follow-through as fortified hedges mean that US barrels will grow irrespective of price …”

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https://www.rt.com/op-edge/362642-us-policy-yemen-saudi/

‘Saudi Arabia is US foreign policy military wing in Syria, Yemen, Iraq’

US airstrikes on radar sites in Yemen show support for the Saudi-led bombing campaign, says international affairs expert Dr. Sreeram Chaulia. Saudi Arabia is an integral part of US policy in the Mideast, adds Pan-African News Wire editor Abayomi Azikiwe.

The US has carried out its first direct attack against Houthi rebels, hitting three radar stations in rebel-controlled territory with Tomahawk cruise missiles. The strikes were retaliation against failed missile attacks on a US navy destroyer in the Red Sea; the latest was carried out on Wednesday. The Houthis denied their involvement in the attempts to hit the vessel.

Previously, Washington has only provided weapons and intelligence to Riyadh, which supports the internationally recognized Yemeni government. Last year, the US approved a number of weapons sales to the Saudis worth more than $20 billion. They included tanks, hand grenades and air-to-ground missiles. Fragments said to be from a US-made missile were found during the recent bombing of a funeral in the rebel-held capital Sana’a. It was blamed on the Saudi-led coalition, which promised to investigate the strike.
According to Dr. Sreeram Chaulia of the Jindal School of International Affairs, we are witnessing “a very unfortunate escalation” of the conflict.

The Americans pretended to be “somewhat neutral” in this conflict, but “are now showing their true color,” which is the support the Saudi Arabia’s “barbaric bombing campaign in Yemen,” he told RT.
 

“Unfortunately for the Americans the evidence shows the Saudi bombing has been devastating for civilians, but then the Americans are unable to disentangle themselves from the Saudi embrace and to take a more critical position on Saudi Arabia,” he said.

 

“This US-Saudi Arabia alliance is at the root of this current action, which is to say that even though the Obama administration tried to reach out to Iran, at the end of the day they are with Saudi Arabia - that is what they’re showing. They are on the wrong side of history, because the people on the ground - not just the Houthis - ordinary Yemenis are all united in a form of a national resistance against the Saudi intervention. So Saudi Arabia has dragged in the Americans, and the Americans have gone along with it. It is one more fateful decision by the Obama administration. If Libya was a mistake – Yemen is proven to be as big a mistake for the US government,” Dr. Chaulia said.

It is unlikely the Obama administration will launch a full-fledged military campaign in the region, but the US seeks to maintain its “hegemonic position” in the Red Sea, he said.
 

“They fear that if Iran …tries to challenge their position in the Red Sea, then they have to respond and to reestablish their hegemony. So unfortunately the great power games are going on,” the analyst added.

 

After the deadly air strike on the funeral in the Yemeni capital last weekend, the US said it would review its support for the Saudi-led coalition.

However, nothing has happened so far, Dr. Chaulia said.

 

“More than 10,000 people have been killed – there is carnage going on – mostly civilians. But the Americans are continuing to back the Saudis against the Houthis. I think they are still looking at it as a great power logic of containing Iran. Unfortunately it’s been proven to be bloody and terrible for the civilians of Yemen,” he added.

 

 

Abysmal failure

The US condemnation of the strike on Sana’a that killed at least 82 mourners was just a diplomatic response, Abayomi Azikiwe, editor of Pan-African News Wire told RT.

“They said they were reviewing their military assistance to Saudi Arabia. But this is something that was said diplomatically; they have not withdrawn their assistance,” he said.

“Saudi Arabia and the Gulf Cooperation Council [GCC] are an integral part of US foreign policy in the Middle East. They transport weapons to them on a regular basis. They just approved a few weeks ago a massive arms sale and transfer to Riyadh. This is not going to stop. They utilize Saudi Arabia in regard to their attack on Syria, as well, as Iraq and Yemen. So Saudi Arabia is functioning as a foreign policy military wing of the US: Pentagon and White House, as well as the State Department,” Azikiwe said.

In March 2015 the US withdrew its diplomatic personnel and Special Forces from Yemen. That, according to Azikiwe, indicated the collapse of Washington’s foreign policy in the country.

“Immediately they authorized the beginning of a massive bombing campaign by Saudi Arabia and the GCC. They have brought other governments into this war policy against Yemen, and it has been an abysmal failure,” he said.

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48 minutes ago, fuck yeah! said:

disgusting pigs I knew about about bombing the funeral ... truly sad.

I hope one day the Saudi Arabia empire fall down.

 

I forgot to say that Yemenis people are very cultured and they love reading & the yemeni girl who was my colleague never been to french school like i was and within one year in university she spoke French fluently and she became one the geniuses students at the faculty of education.

 

I hope your former colleague is safe. Despicable that they have these power struggles and military standoffs at the expense of innocent people. We are on the brink of a third global conflict, yet, to quote Oliver Stone: "the tone of the ongoing American presidential campaign is abysmal, people are being kept soundly asleep, the US media is operating a total black out on information"

[karbatal]

Meanwhile, Merkel will work on new sanctions against Russia. And it all after USA started the war in Syria and armed Isis.

 

VOMIT 

[GOD]

Beautiful.. Thanks Mackerel.

[ULIZOS]

Does the world now have the right to send millions of dollars worth of arms into Saudi Arabia and the U.S. and launch a rebel uprising as a result of these heinous crimes? 

[spazz]

we r living in World War III but you wont realize this now.

 

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Meanwhile the clueless bumbling clown Boris Johnson invited people to protest outside the Russian embassy in London  (nobody bothered). First he said he was more aligned with a Trump type of position on Russia, then he has shown how uncomfortable he was giving a press conference next to a John Kerry. Now doing another 360, must be getting his cues now no doubt

This man doesn't know what he's saying/doing clearly. I am still trying to figure out how he came to be Philip Hammond's replacement at the Foreign Office post Brexit referendum result. It's like everything was deliberately made to hang upside down to add confusion to confusion

 

 

 

 

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I can't believe there's still people 15 years after 9/11 that have this cartoonish, John Wayne type of good guys vs bad guys simplisting reading of world events. Especially the ones currently unfolding now, that axis of evil pathetic rethoric has worked wonders. Which of course is not to say that Putin or Assad are good men, anymore than Gaddafi or Saddam were but at least they stood up against what are every day more clear geostrategic interests that have global repercussions in terms of currency, commodities, energy, work, states debt (our debt) etc etc

 

Where is the outrage when the US and European NATO countries bomb the living shit out of civilian targets all over the world? Do people ask themselves why what is happening is happening to begin with? It's not a series of random events at all.

The propaganda is just as strong from NATO as it can be defined so on the Russian or China front. Once again, those that are skeptical completely miss the point of terrorism as an instrument of destabilisation and perpetual conflict in a struggle that has got most to do with money, resources and power than any other presented motivation

 

The fact that former US General Wesley Clark went on air and said that in the year 2000 a panel of neocon psycos drew up a list of 15 countries, mostly in the Middle East, some in Africa whose regimes had to be taken down, and that a catalyst event (a new Pearl Harbour - sic) could be used to trigger such a sinister project, doesn't seem to do anything to have people even consider what is going on from a different viewpoint.

 

Project For A New American Century mentioned:

 

 

 

 

Without disturbing the late Labour MP Robin Cook

 

 

 

 

 

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And before anyone says Russian TV, Al jazeera or the Chinese network  are not credible TV networks ....

Inasmuch as even Hillary Clinton praised it as "very informative", while practically admitting that the 5 main US networks do a ghastly laughable job at information

 

We are in an information war and we are losing that war, I'll be very blunt in my assessment

Our private media simply cannot fill that gap

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's so IRONIC that you couldn't make this stuff up. So basically she's validating what anyone who questions US foreign policies of the past couple of decades in particular mantains. Why would you say "we are losing" if the west is so free, so democratic, so fair that people would prefer getting info outside of the two or three mainstream options?

Curious way of expressing herself, she inadvertently lets out more than she'd actually want to

[karbatal]

Meanwhile all media are informing on the battle in Moshul (Iraq) as if it were the "allies"  who are defeating ISIS while in fact it has been Russia, Syrian government and Iran in Syria.  

[elijah]

Ironically when I was in Iran the people seemed so pro western/proUSA/proEU its strange! And Tehran looked quite developed! Nothing like what you hear on TV about this country!!! Also the women only put a beautiful scarf on their head, nothing like burqa or smth along the lines! They were so fashionable and beautiful! I expected to see another Saudi Arabia (or thats what is fed to us) but it was nowhere near that! 

[runa]

1 hour ago, elijah said:

Ironically when I was in Iran the people seemed so pro western/proUSA/proEU its strange! And Tehran looked quite developed! Nothing like what you hear on TV about this country!!! Also the women only put a beautiful scarf on their head, nothing like burqa or smth along the lines! They were so fashionable and beautiful! I expected to see another Saudi Arabia (or thats what is fed to us) but it was nowhere near that! 

I saw a very good movie, on Netflix, a few months ago. It was called TAXI and it was in Tehran. I was very surprised to see how the city is very modern. Not at all what I expected. Well... women are not exactly treated good but the modernity of it all was very surprising.  

The movie was very good. I recommend it to you:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4359416/?ref_=fn_tt_tt_5

 

Edit: what were you doing in Iran, @elijah? I'm curious to know. 

[elijah]

Just now, runa said:

I saw a very good movie, on Netflix, a few months ago. It was called TAXI and it was in Tehran. I was very surprised to see how the city is very modern. Not at all what I expected. Well... women are not exactly treated good but the modernity of it all was very surprising.  

The movie was very good. I recommend it to you:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4359416/?ref_=fn_tt_tt_5

Thank you I ll see it! I saw A separation and its really good!

[ULIZOS]

58 minutes ago, runa said:

I saw a very good movie, on Netflix, a few months ago. It was called TAXI and it was in Tehran. I was very surprised to see how the city is very modern. Not at all what I expected. Well... women are not exactly treated good but the modernity of it all was very surprising.  

The movie was very good. I recommend it to you:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4359416/?ref_=fn_tt_tt_5

 

Edit: what were you doing in Iran, @elijah? I'm curious to know. 

such a great movie 

[GOD]

I love Iranian cinema 😊

[spazz]

6 hours ago, GOD said:

I love Iranian cinema 😊

I love Iranian men 😊

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21 hours ago, elijah said:

Ironically when I was in Iran the people seemed so pro western/proUSA/proEU its strange! And Tehran looked quite developed! Nothing like what you hear on TV about this country!!! Also the women only put a beautiful scarf on their head, nothing like burqa or smth along the lines! They were so fashionable and beautiful! I expected to see another Saudi Arabia (or thats what is fed to us) but it was nowhere near that! 

 

 

Isn't it ironic? Don't you think? A little too ironic and yeah I really do think

[Guest CzarnaWisnia]

I love (and am frightened by the fact) that a thread on a Madonna fanforum has more info on this topic than most news websites.

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https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/egypt-leaves-saudi-coalition-yemen-reports/

Egypt leaves Saudi Coalition in Yemen: reports

 

CAIRO, EGYPT (9:00 A.M.) - The Egyptian Air Force has reportedly withdrawn from the Saudi-led Coalition of countries attacking Yemen after a 12 month-long operation,.

According to locals in Cairo, this move by the Egyptian government comes just hours after the Egyptian Intelligence Chief met with his Syrian counterpart.

No formal announcement has been issued by the Egyptian government to corroborate these reports; however, if true, Saudi Arabia will lose a key ally in this bombing campaign against the Yemeni people.
 

[Kim]

On 17/10/2016 at 1:44 AM, XXL said:

 

 

 

Dirty rotten bastards.

As much as the Punch n Judy show going on in the US at the moment is amusing, it's just a shame that most people have no idea that no matter what way they go, they're still fucked.

 

[XXL]

On 19/10/2016 at 5:48 PM, Kim said:

Dirty rotten bastards.

As much as the Punch n Judy show going on in the US at the moment is amusing, it's just a shame that most people have no idea that no matter what way they go, they're still fucked.

Precisely

Oliver Stone said it best in regards to the current American Presidential race, crafted to distract people from the very serious things that are going on around the world of our own Western governments, Western diplomacies and Western Intelligence agencies' doing for the most part, sadly. 

This picture alone speaks a million words: