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Similarly from The Independent today:

Banks 'will pull out of Britain' unless Theresa May sorts out post-Brexit plan

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The chairman of RBS has warned that banks could pull out of Britain unless Theresa May secures a post-Brexit transition plan.

Sir Howard Davies said American and Japanese banks are very concerned at the prospect of a hard Brexit and are drawing up contingency plans.

He urged the Prime Minister to offer the City some reassurance and certainty by negotiating a transitional deal which will allow firms based in Britain to continue to be able to operate in the rest of the EU.

He told ITV's Peston On Sunday show that jobs could be lost to Europe and to Ireland.

He said: "I think it is damaging if we don't get a transitional deal because I think you will then see banks and financial institutions making decisions on the basis of uncertainty.

"They will not wait because they have to make a decision which will allow them to be, to continue to function in the event of a hard Brexit if that's a possibility.

"So they will not sit back, they are currently making contingency plans and once you've got a contingency plan – hey, there is a risk you might implement it one day.

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-latest-news-rbs-warning-banks-pull-out-theresa-may-a7414701.html

 

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Theresa May is too busy choosing what to wear or in her case what not to wear at her meeting with the Donald next January. Farage will be there reassuring she won't taken advantage of.. 

i repeat Theresa May, Farage and Trump in the same room. It does sound like a joke already...

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23 hours ago, MeakMaker said:

i repeat Theresa May, Farage and Trump in the same room. It does sound like a joke already...

What? No Boris Johnson? It's not a trio, it's a quartet

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Boris Johnson has expressed words of great warmth for Trump (after he trashed him last year). I wonder if he knows what Trump's position on Russia is, considering a few weeks ago he was inciting for riots outside of the Russian Embassy in London. Seriously, who thought that Johnson could possibly be worthy of the Foreign Office??

 

 

 

 

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23 hours ago, MeakMaker said:

 Brexit will come down hard but maybe Trump will come to the rescue and help the English. I wonder what he's going to ask in return....

 

A part of the NHS that Branson hasn't already bought?

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Yes I saw bumbling Boris snubbed the EU meeting while calling for the "whingers" to shut up about Trump....after receiving a phonecall from that abominable Pence.. vice pres-in-waiting. I predict there will be some sort of rushed trade deal made between the US and UK in 2017 in return for....God knows what. 

 

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15 hours ago, Ivy said:

Why are all British politicians so damn ugly. Is it a prerequisite to be hit with the ugly gaga stick before entering uk politics? 

They always look like the funny caricatures you see on the Simpsons. :lmao:

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http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-37983948

Downing Street dismisses Brexit 'divisions' memo

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Downing Street has "wholeheartedly" rejected comments in a memorandum leaked to the press describing cabinet "divisions" over Brexit.

The document, compiled by consultancy firm Deloitte and obtained by the Times newspaper, says Whitehall is working on 500 Brexit-related projects and could need 30,000 extra staff. But the prime minister's spokeswoman said the work had been "unsolicited". And Deloitte said there had been no "access" to Number 10 for the report.

No "input from any other government departments" had been received, the company added. Prime Minister Theresa May wants to invoke Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty - beginning the formal two-year process for leaving the EU - by the end of March next year. The government said the leaked memo - entitled "Brexit Update" of 7 November - had been written by a consultant and was not a Cabinet Office document, as reported in earlier versions of this story.

The prime minister's spokeswoman added that someone from the accountancy firm Deloitte had produced it and "the individual is not working for the Cabinet Office on this". The person had never been inside 10 Downing Street and had not engaged with officials since Theresa May had become prime minister, the spokeswoman said.

 

The document identifies cabinet splits between Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson, Brexit Secretary David Davis and International Trade Secretary Liam Fox on one side, and Chancellor Philip Hammond and Business Secretary Greg Clark on the other. It says Mrs May is "acquiring a reputation of drawing in decisions and details to settle matters herself" - an approach it describes as being "unlikely to be sustainable".

 

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It says: "Every department has developed a 'bottom-up' plan of what the impact of Brexit could be - and its plan to cope with the 'worst case'. "Although necessary, this falls considerably short of having a 'government plan for Brexit' because it has no prioritisation and no link to the overall negotiation strategy."

But the PM's spokeswoman said it was "so far removed from the government's assessment". She also "wholeheartedly" disputed the suggestion in the memo that there was no plan for Brexit.

Late on Tuesday afternoon Deloitte issued a statement about the memo saying: "This was a note intended primarily for internal audiences. It was not commissioned by the Cabinet Office, nor any other government department, and represents a view of the task facing Whitehall.

"This work was conducted without access to Number 10 or input from any other government departments."

 

Labour 'won't block Article 50'

Former Conservative Chancellor Ken Clarke, a prominent supporter of the UK staying in the European Union, told BBC Radio 4's The World at One said of the memo: "I think it's probably entirely accurate. It rings very true." He added: "It's going to take a good six months to work out how to manage the damage [from Brexit]."

 

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Meanwhile, shadow chancellor John McDonnell said the government's "shambolic" approach to Brexit was failing to equip the UK economy for leaving the EU.In a speech, he described the chancellor as isolated from cabinet colleagues and "too weak" to make Brexit a success. However, Mr McDonnell said Labour would not attempt to block or delay the triggering of Article 50 in Parliament.

"To do so would put Labour against the majority will of the British people and on the side of certain corporate elites, who have always had the British people at the back of the queue," he said. Liberal Democrat EU spokesman Nick Clegg said: "The problem is we don't have any decisions from the government. We don't know what it means when it says, 'Brexit means Brexit.'"

The government is appealing against a High Court ruling that Parliament should have a say before the UK invokes Article 50. The hearing is due to begin at the Supreme Court on 5 December.

 

 

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9 hours ago, horn said:

Has Scotland decided to stay with UK or what?

It'll be another couple of years at least before there would be a referendum on that...mostly dependent on the result of those Brexit negotiations. Either way...it will happen sooner or later. Never has the gulf. politically and socially. been so wide between the two countries. I can't see England moving out of the right-wing mess it's in for a long time, if ever, while Scotland has always been left of centre politically.

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Brexit: Fresh blow for Theresa May as Supreme Court rules Scotland and Wales can intervene in Article 50 triggering

Edinburgh and Cardiff will be allowed to argue for the right to have a say over the triggering of the Article 50 notice period

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The Supreme Court today threw a further hurdle in the way of Theresa May’s hopes of a smooth Brexit, when it ruled the Scottish and Welsh governments can intervene.

Edinburgh and Cardiff will be allowed to make their separate cases to the court for the right to have a say over the triggering of the Article 50 notice period.

The decision raises the possibility – albeit thought to be slim – of the Supreme Court agreeing with the SNP that the Scottish Parliament should have a veto over the Brexit strategy.

That would plunge the United Kingdom into a full-blown constitutional crisis, as well as potentially sink the Prime Minister’s exit timetable.

The decision is a big victory for Nicola Sturgeon, the SNP’s first minister, who has insisted Scotland’s voice must be heard after the country voted decisively to Remain.

The government's appeal against the High Court ruling that MPs must give their consent to the invoking of Article 50 will be heard, over four days, from December 5.

The decision is expected at the start of January, after which – if it loses – the government will introduce a short three-line Bill to try to keep Brexit on track.

Ms May has said she will trigger Article 50 by the end of March, beginning two years of formal exit talks expected to conclude with Britain leaving the EU in spring 2019.

Now counsel for the Scottish Government will be allowed to argue that Brexit, as planned by Ms May, is likely to have a decisive impact on the devolution settlement and the law in Scotland.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-fresh-blow-for-theresa-may-as-supreme-court-rules-scotland-and-wales-can-intervene-in-article-a7424796.html
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UK will have EU bills after Brexit, German finance minister says

Wolfgang Schäuble says that some commitments will still need to be paid for more than a decade after final split

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Germany has begun to harden its stance with the UK over Brexit, with its finance minister warning that Britain would face EU budget bills for more than a decade even after severing political ties with the bloc.

Wolfgang Schäuble’s comments will dash Theresa May’s hopes that Berlin would help to soften demands – particularly France’s desire to ensure the UK pays a heavy price for voting to leave the EU.

François Hollande, the French president, is concerned that giving Britain an easy ride could encourage anti-EU forces in France to demand a vote on membership of the bloc.

“Until the UK’s exit is complete, Britain will certainly have to fulfil its commitments,” Schäuble told the Financial Times (paywall). “Possibly there will be some commitments that last beyond the exit … even, in part, to 2030. Also we cannot grant any generous rebates.”

He also warned that the UK must follow international rules on investment incentives in the wake of the post-Brexit commitments given by Downing Street to Nissan. The Japanese carmaker subsequently announced that it will build two new models at its huge Sunderland plant in the coming years.

“These rules apply to all, whether EU members or not,” Schäuble told the newspaper.

At a dinner in Paris attended by Jean-Claude Juncker, EU commission president, and the EU’s top Brexit negotiator, Michel Barnier, in October, Hollande said: “There must be a threat, there must be a risk, there must be a price. Otherwise we will be in a negotiation that cannot end well.”

G20 rules on tax avoidance would limit Britain’s ability to offer tax breaks to companies, even after it left the EU, the German minister argued. He said: “The UK is still a member of the EU and it is a country which has always upheld the valid regulations, valid laws and valid treaties.”

In a blow to Britain’s financial services sector and the prestige of the City, Schäuble backed demands for London to lose its euro-clearing business. He also said the UK should prepare to lose financial services firms to cities such as Frankfurt in the wake of Brexit.

Neither could the UK expect special arrangements on migration if it wanted to remain in the single market. “There is no à la carte menu,” he told the FT. “There is only the whole menu or none.”

He added: “Without membership of the internal market, without acceptance of the four basic freedoms of the internal market, there can, of course, be no passporting, no free access for financial products or for financial actors.”

Even before the 23 June referendum, the finance minister had adopted a hardline stance if British voters opted to leave the bloc.

In an interview with Der Spiegel, the influential veteran politician ruled out the possibility of the UK following a Swiss or Norwegian model that would allow it to enjoy the benefits of the single market without being an EU member.

“That won’t work,” Schäuble said. “It would require the country to abide by the rules of a club from which it currently wants to withdraw.

“If the majority in Britain opts for Brexit, that would be a decision against the single market. In is in. Out is out.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/17/german-minister-takes-hard-line-over-britains-eu-commitments-post-brexit

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All those court rulings clearly show that those who initiated the Brexit referendum had no idea what they were getting into. Makes me wonder if they even checked the legal implications in regards to triggering article 50. This is turning into a never ending story and people will lose even more confidence in politics and create a huge dissent in society. Well done Nigel Farage!

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And what is David Cameron doing?  Enjoying his early retirement in some Spanish villa?  If this mess finally is declared illegal he should be taken into court to answer for the financial loses that this unstable period has brought.  

I'm tired of politicians NEVER answering for their acts.  Where are Blair and Bush and Aznar to answer for the Iraq mess?  Where are Obama and Hillary to answer for the mess in Syria?  UGH 

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31 minutes ago, karbatal said:

And what is David Cameron doing?  Enjoying his early retirement in some Spanish villa?  If this mess finally is declared illegal he should be taken into court to answer for the financial loses that this unstable period has brought.  

I'm tired of politicians NEVER answering for their acts.  Where are Blair and Bush and Aznar to answer for the Iraq mess?  Where are Obama and Hillary to answer for the mess in Syria?  UGH 

Fully agree with you there.

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Hey UK chums, what do you all think of the new SNOOPERS CHARTER aka The Investigatory Powers Bill that our glorious leader has just peddled through the Commons? Happy that your internet history is now sitting on a server for anyone to have a good look at? Watch what dodgy sites you visit! Big Brother really is watching. Thank you Tories AND Labour. No surprise that the SNP (and the Lib Dems) are the only ones who voted against this GROSS invasion of our citizens privacy.

 

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They are building so many laws to control the information in so many countries. That's why i think that this terrorist campaing was orchestrated and a mere excuse so we give our precious liberties in exchange of a fake security. 

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If they said listen people Coronation Street and Eastenders are going to be axed if you want out of the EU they wouldn't  have to deal with Brexit now. And unfortunately that shows the state of the country as it stands. 

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19 hours ago, Kim said:

Hey UK chums, what do you all think of the new SNOOPERS CHARTER aka The Investigatory Powers Bill that our glorious leader has just peddled through the Commons? Happy that your internet history is now sitting on a server for anyone to have a good look at? Watch what dodgy sites you visit! Big Brother really is watching. Thank you Tories AND Labour. No surprise that the SNP (and the Lib Dems) are the only ones who voted against this GROSS invasion of our citizens privacy.

 

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This! This woman is dangerous to the core. 

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On 30/11/2016 at 7:24 PM, Kim said:

Hey UK chums, what do you all think of the new SNOOPERS CHARTER aka The Investigatory Powers Bill that our glorious leader has just peddled through the Commons? Happy that your internet history is now sitting on a server for anyone to have a good look at? Watch what dodgy sites you visit! Big Brother really is watching. Thank you Tories AND Labour. No surprise that the SNP (and the Lib Dems) are the only ones who voted against this GROSS invasion of our citizens privacy.

 

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Such a "sensible" woman, "the best thing that happened to the UK in a long time".

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I'm for Remain. The arrogance applies to the Brexiteers who thought they could mislead the public on the merits of leaving. The golden rule is never vote for something where there is no clear and sustainable future mapped out.

 

When the government is not of a common mind on this, and they have advisors, do you as voters not feel betrayed, fearful or even angry at the incompetence of this lot?

 

Not the first time I've asked what is Brexit? Hard, soft, grey-just some of the varieties of Brexit.


 

 

 

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3 hours ago, BrendanT1993 said:

I'm for Remain. The arrogance applies to the Brexiteers who thought they could mislead the public on the merits of leaving. The golden rule is never vote for something where there is no clear and sustainable future mapped out.

 

When the government is not of a common mind on this, and they have advisors, do you as voters not feel betrayed, fearful or even angry at the incompetence of this lot?

 

Not the first time I've asked what is Brexit? Hard, soft, grey-just some of the varieties of Brexit.


 

 

 

 

Well, they never lose, don't they? Those politicians are still laughing. They are never responsible. That's why they are so crazy, do crazy things. Trump... if he is a disaster, he will keep on living and doing whatever he wants. The same with Cameron, with Bush, with Blair, with all the rest. They don't care. People forget. 

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