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3 hours ago, Kim said:

If only that cartoon were the case. We're hurtling towards Brexit, and the right wing media have created such a frenzy over anything/anyone that stands in the way of it that hardly ANYONE even has the guts to say anything different anymore.

And good for Gina. A private citizen who used her own money to challenge in the courts a woman who thought she could go ahead and do whatever she wanted without consulting the parliament, like we're living in some tin-pot dictatorship? I think not. 

This is the shit enveloping part of this country....and God help anyone who dares think otherwise...

 

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@ Who do EU think you are?

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4 hours ago, Kim said:

If only that cartoon were the case. We're hurtling towards Brexit, and the right wing media have created such a frenzy over anything/anyone that stands in the way of it that hardly ANYONE even has the guts to say anything different anymore.

And good for Gina. A private citizen who used her own money to challenge in the courts a woman who thought she could go ahead and do whatever she wanted without consulting the parliament, like we're living in some tin-pot dictatorship? I think not. 

This is the shit enveloping part of this country....and God help anyone who dares think otherwise...

 

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Exactly!

If a private citizen had not hired a team of lawyers to challenge a non-binding result, would that demented fascist bitch & co. carried on undisturbed? Who the fuck gave them all of this power to ignore basic parliament rules for fuck's sake?!

Truly a fascist regime that made them all MORONS.

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13 hours ago, pjcowley said:

Exactly!

If a private citizen had not hired a team of lawyers to challenge a non-binding result, would that demented fascist bitch & co. carried on undisturbed? Who the fuck gave them all of this power to ignore basic parliament rules for fuck's sake?!

Truly a fascist regime that made them all MORONS.

It's not really. Theresa May voted to stay in the EU.  The argument is that the majority voted to leave and the government have to accept that and so need to go ahead with Brexit which she says she will honour. However, some argue that the referendum was just a vote to show what the voting population would like to happen but it's up to MPs who were voted in to represent their constituencies to actually make the decision as to what the country should do.

The reality is nobody has a clue what to do as the government never expected the vote would go the way of Brexit so there is no plan. I think they are desperately trying to find a legal loophole to get out of this but have to go through the process correctly.

It really is one big clusterfuck.

The ones who are really anti EU are the media owners such as the Daily Mail's Paul Dacre who's a tax exile and a really nasty piece of work like Rupert Murdoch etc.

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Fact is: the parliament must decide about triggering article 50. It is known that the majority of the members of parliament oppose the Brexit. At the same time you have the result of the referendum that says "Leave". Members of parliament or not bound to respect this result. They are free in their decisions and have to vote what their conscience tells them. Of course, this creates a mess that can't be solved easily. The only way to clean up this mess might be to dissolve the parliament and have a general election. All candidates for parliament must declare how they will decide in regards to article 50 once the vote is up. People will vote for the candidate that meets their expectations the most and will respect their vote on this particular issue. From my perspective this is the only way to respect the law on on hand and the will of the people on the other.

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2 hours ago, jonski43 said:

It's not really. Theresa May voted to stay in the EU.  The argument is that the majority voted to leave and the government have to accept that and so need to go ahead with Brexit which she says she will honour. However, some argue that the referendum was just a vote to show what the voting population would like to happen but it's up to MPs who were voted in to represent their constituencies to actually make the decision as to what the country should do.

The reality is nobody has a clue what to do as the government never expected the vote would go the way of Brexit so there is no plan. I think they are desperately trying to find a legal loophole to get out of this but have to go through the process correctly.

It really is one big clusterfuck.

The ones who are really anti EU are the media owners such as the Daily Mail's Paul Dacre who's a tax exile and a really nasty piece of work like Rupert Murdoch etc.

 

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I warned you guys that Democracy doesn't work. 

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2 hours ago, jonski43 said:

The reality is nobody has a clue what to do as the government never expected the vote would go the way of Brexit so there is no plan.

 

And that's the most undignified point of the whole charade. The EU is one giant mess right now but the lies that have been told in that referendum campaign are not any better than the dysfunctional technocratic system itself. Moreover you cannot expect to tell people of the other 27 member states "we'll only take the benefits of membership (single market access) but you and only you will have to deal with the downsides (freedom of movement), like that?" They already kept their currency and said no to Schengen, what else were those pro Brexit leaders advocating and "needing" that hadn't already made the country a major exception among all other memeber states?

That is an appalling attitude

I don't question why people would be fed up with the EU per se, I just find the conduct of those people that filled their mouths with a nasty rethoric up until voting day and then 5 minutes after their favoured outcome was announced told their voters and the media to fuck off and pretended nothing was going to change

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Theresa May said one thing before the referendum as in being pro-remain, then said the complete opposite after the result, marching like a bull in a china shop to get the hell out of the EU. As if it was as easy as a walk in the park. Oh and not all British eligible citizens had voted on that ludicrous referendum.

A portion did not vote at all, either because they didn't give a shit or didn't have a clue of what to vote for - I seem to remember there was a proud representative member of that portion here a while ago bullying a lot of people on the referendum result.

Another chunk did not have the opportunity to vote, like British expats who have paid their taxes working for a number of years in a EU country.

Sorry but there is no such a thing as democracy with the current UK government.

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Farage saying there's now a conspiratory cross party movement that's doing everything they can to keep Britain within the EU

 

 

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3 minutes ago, pjcowley said:

Theresa May said one thing before the referendum as in being pro-remain, then said the complete opposite after the result, marching like a bull in a china shop to get the hell out of the EU. As if it was as easy as a walk in the park. Oh and not all British eligible citizens had voted on that ludicrous referendum.

A portion did not vote at all, either because they didn't give a shit or didn't have a clue of what to vote for - I seem to remember there was a proud representative member of that portion here a while ago bullying a lot of people on the referendum result.

Another chunk did not have the opportunity to vote, like British expats who have paid their taxes working for a number of years in a EU country.

Sorry but there is no such a thing as democracy with the current UK government.

Erm, the government gave the voting population the chance to vote on whether we stay in the EU even though they didn't have to which is actually a democracy!

The referendum had the largest turnout in a vote since 1992 with over 72% of those eligible turning out to vote.

Unfortunately, many of the younger electorate couldn't be bothered to vote with only 33% of younger voters actually voting.

Now the majority has said leave, the government is actually doing what they asked.

As democracies go, that's pretty good.

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I am devasteted by the decision that the tobleroen chocolate got less chocolate for the same price thanks to Brexit

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The very democratic BULLSHIT fed by the Leave camp:

Crown prosecutors consider complaint against Brexit EU referendum campaigns

The letter accuses Vote Leave and Leave.EU of misleading voters

Crown prosecutors are considering a complaint that the Leave campaign misled voters during the EU referendum campaign. 

The complaint against Vote Leave and Leave.EU campaigns was submitted by academic experts in electoral law, who suggested “corrupt campaigning practices” were used by campaigners.

The group, led by Professor Bob Watt of the University of Buckingham, alleges that the Leave campaign made “assertions of fact that were knowingly misleading”.

The falsehoods named include the high-profile claim that the EU was costing £350 million a week – a claim that Vote Leave continued to use despite repeated ticking offs by the UK Statistics Authority.

Under UK electoral law “undue influence” is considered a corrupt practice. The offence includes the use of a “fraudulent device or contrivance”.

“Ultimately it will be for parliament to decide, based on the court’s judgment on evidence that there was undue influence, if that has bearing on whether the EU referendum result should be considered as democratically safe,” Mr Watt told the Guardian newspaper.

A Crown Prosecution Service spokesman said: “We can confirm that this letter has been received and we are currently considering its content.”

The complaint is being considered by a special team that deals with electoral crimes. 

Leave.EU has not yet issued a statement on the subject. Matthew Elliott, former chief executive of Vote Leave, said in response to the complaint: “We wish Bob [Watt] well.”

Under the 1983 Representation of the People Act the Director of Public Prosecutions can consider electoral offences when they are directly referred to her office but not before then.

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-eu-referendum-campaigns-crown-prosecutors-cps-complaint-a7403161.html

 

Very democratic majority voted LEAVE out of fucking lies. Democracy my ass.

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4 hours ago, jonski43 said:

Erm, the government gave the voting population the chance to vote on whether we stay in the EU even though they didn't have to which is actually a democracy!

The referendum had the largest turnout in a vote since 1992 with over 72% of those eligible turning out to vote.

Unfortunately, many of the younger electorate couldn't be bothered to vote with only 33% of younger voters actually voting.

Now the majority has said leave, the government is actually doing what they asked.

As democracies go, that's pretty good.

The EU is more democratic than people think and the European Parliament,  directly elected by the citizens has a greater power now than ever.  There's a lot of misinformation regarding the EU.  

Problem is that there are bigger countries with bigger power, and if the UK had played the cards correctly these past 25 years they would be ruling the EU instead of Germany.  But being a pain in the ass never pays. 

And people in the UK have voted with their heads full of lies, not knowing how much money they get from funds,  how many scientific projects are being funded in the Horizon 2020 programme each year (more than 100, almost 2 million euro each)  etc etc.  

Sorry but from the outside a brexiter looks like a Trump supporter. 

Even if the UK decides now to stay in the EU the damage is done : the country will never be integrated in the EU and will keep on disturbing the integration process.  I hope it finally leaves,  because no matter which political party has been in Downing Street,  there's always been moaning about the EU since the early eighties. 

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This weekend.... :ugh::ugh::ugh:

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On 03/11/2016 at 8:09 PM, pjcowley said:

That fucking referendum was advisory not legally binding, ffs - before article 50 can be invoked, legally parliament must approve it first. It was about time that this piece of info was forced down the throats of so many imbeciles. Exit from the EU is not going to be decided by the common British people and never was despite what WannabeMaggie & Cunts want everyone to believe in the name of "democracy". They don't even know the meaning of that word, as they've clearly shown with their demented actions. And by they I mean those pieces of shit arrogant lying bastard assholes called Tories.

End of rant.

And Farage. Don't forget him! He's the one who divided the nation on empty promises and he fucked the right off after they did his job. Watch out for that guy! 

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15 minutes ago, MeakMaker said:

And Farage. Don't forget him! He's the one who divided the nation on empty promises and he fucked the right off after they did his job. Watch out for that guy! 

It would be insane and ill-informed to believe that it was just Farage who divided the country. It's not just him responsible for the scission. An absolute wanking scumbag Farage is, but certainly not the only one in this whole charade.

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5 minutes ago, pjcowley said:

It would be insane and ill-informed to believe that it was just Farage who divided the country. It's not just him responsible for the scission. An absolute wanking scumbag Farage is, but certainly not the only one in this whole charade.

I didn't say it was just Farage. In fact I said.. And Farage. He did play a massive role in the leaving campaign but it wasn't just down to him. 

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Just wait for that Farage prick to be made some sort of envoy or ambassador type role to the UK. Meanwhile Granny May might be popping over there next year. What a joke.

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Why would Farage represent England? Not everyone is a racist bigot in the U.K.! 

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He has hinted very strongly that Trump has some sort of role in mind for him. Not Ambassador to Great Britain obviously as that has to be an American nominee (i think) of Trumps. ...but some sort of unofficial/advisory role maybe. Farage represents Trump's politics perfectly this side of the Atlantic.

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He was one of the key figures to separate the U.K. from the rest of Europe. What makes him think Europe will want him to be their spokesperson? Farage has only been after a position of power for himself. He doesn't care about Great Britain or Europe or America for that matter.

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36 minutes ago, MeakMaker said:

He was one of the key figures to separate the U.K. from the rest of Europe. What makes him think Europe will want him to be their spokesperson? Farage has only been after a position of power for himself. He doesn't care about Great Britain or Europe or America for that matter.

No, not representing Europe...but being some sort of link between US-UK. The papers are having a field day that he is the first worldwide politician to have met with Trump since the election.

Farage was right there in the US onstage rallying for Trump during the campaign. They're friends, and Trump rewards his friends.

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RBS chairman calls on Theresa May to draw up Brexit transitional plan

Sir Howard Davies says banks will not wait for government’s full negotiating position and will move operations out of UK

Sir Howard Davies

The chairman of Royal Bank of Scotland has warned that banks could pull operations out of Britain unless Theresa May draws up transitional arrangements for the country’s exit from the EU.

Sir Howard Davies said it would be damaging if there was no transitional plan and that banks would have to make decisions based on uncertainty.

Speaking to ITV’s Peston On Sunday programme, he said the US and Japanese banks were concerned by the prospect of a hard Brexit and were drawing up contingency plans.

“I think it is damaging if we don’t get a transitional deal because I think you will then see banks and financial institutions making decisions on the basis of uncertainty.

“They will not wait because they have to make a decision which will allow them to be, to continue to function in the event of a hard Brexit if that’s a possibility.

“So they will not sit back, they are currently making contingency plans and once you’ve got a contingency plan – hey, there is a risk you might implement it one day.”

Davis said the government did not need to reveal its full negotiating position, but needed to reassure the City so Britain did not encounter a “jerky and sudden” departure from the EU.

His comments come as a group of financiers and lawyers based in Milan draw up proposals for a post-Brexit financial services centre for Europe hinged around London and the Italian city.

The aim of Select Milano, an independent organisation endorsed by the Italian government, is not to steal business from London but to help financial services thrive in Europe after the UK leaves the EU.

Its chief executive, Bepi Pezzulli, said one idea that was being drawn up was Dublin as satellite because the Irish legal system was closest to the principles of English law that financiers were accustomed to.

“I don’t think destroying or fragmenting the City of London is a good way forward,” said Pezzulli. “Destroying a cluster is not good. We should instead enlarge the cluster and make London and Milan the head of a new cluster.”

The cluster is a reference to the varied businesses that are based in London, such as banking, fund management and private equity, and the services that build up around them, such as accountancy and legal services.

As a result of Brexit, financial services firms operating out of London are expected to have to shift business – and jobs – to other parts of the EU to enable them to keep access to the “passport” which allows them to sell products across the EU with ease.

Dublin, Frankfurt, Paris and Madrid are among the cities keen to benefit from any exodus from London. There have been warnings, though, including from a Bank of England deputy governor, that New York could end up being the main beneficiary from any loss of business from London.

The Bank of England deputy governor Sir Jon Cunliffe said this month that while it was possible that some activities currently carried out in London would need to move elsewhere in Europe, it would take time for any one financial centre to acquire the “cluster” effect of the UK capital.

Select Milano is targeting one of the largest aspects of London-based business: euro-dominated clearing. Although the UK does not use the euro, London is the centre of €570bn of trading in financial products in Europe’s single currency.

Much of this business passes through the London Clearing House, partly owned by the London Stock Exchange, which is in the throes of a merger with Frankfurt-based Deutsche Börse. The LSE also has links in Milan, owning the stock exchange and operating the Italian clearing house.

Pezzulli, a lawyer, said: “We are not joining a queue to steal business from London.” He suggested setting up a European economic interest group (EEIG), of legal entities able to operate inside and outside the EU.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/nov/13/rbs-chairman-calls-on-theresa-may-brexit-transitional-plan-howard-davies-banks-uk

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