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5 hours ago, Pud Whacker said:

He's always been anti establishment. Like Madonna used to be!!! 

Boris Johnson is pro Brexit and he is and acts as establishment as it gets. So does Brexit means breakfast Brexit Theresa May. There is nothing anti establishment per se about about wanting in or out of the EU either way :laugh:

And I don't see how Morrissey could be any more anti establishment than Madonna has supposedly ceased to be. He generally sounds and looks more jaded, humourless and unhappy, that's for sure :lol:

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Well to be fair brexit means establishment too. Just the establishment prior to 1973.

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7 hours ago, XXL said:

Boris Johnson is pro Brexit and he is and acts as establishment as it gets. So does Brexit means breakfast Brexit Theresa May. There is nothing anti establishment per se about about wanting in or out of the EU either way :laugh:

And I don't see how Morrissey could be any more anti establishment than Madonna has supposedly ceased to be. He generally sounds and looks more jaded, humourless and unhappy, that's for sure :lol:

i agree with the bolded but the rest...somewhat.

BUT i really dont care.  i really dont.  i dont even care about the american election.  im waiting for november 9.  im a scrooge.  i hate xmas and new year.  im always waiting for january 2 - when everything is all over.  :rotfl:

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On 28/10/2016 at 6:04 PM, Pud Whacker said:

i agree with the bolded but the rest...somewhat.

BUT i really dont care.  i really dont.  i dont even care about the american election.  im waiting for november 9.  im a scrooge.  i hate xmas and new year.  im always waiting for january 2 - when everything is all over.  :rotfl:

 

I see :laugh:

My point was that for people like Morrissey Brexit or No Brexit if British Airways raises their prices (for instance) little changes. But for people who depend on a monthly salary they really could change. I read  those types of Morrissey comments more in line with a certain pride/nostalgia for the gone Empire than being anything that would make any sense in the reality of today

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/10/28/british-airways-parent-iag-cuts-profit-outlook-in-tough-environm/

British Airways boss warns of price hikes as parent IAG cuts profit outlook 

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British Airways ticket prices could rise after its parent company warned for a third time this year its profits will be lower than forecast.

International Airlines Group, which also owns Vueling, Aer Lingus and Iberia, said it expected its operating profit for 2016 to be around €2.5bn (£2.24bn), an increase of just 7pc on the previous year, having been dealt a heavy blow by the fall in the pound's value since the UK voted to leave the EU in June.

Willie Walsh, IAG's chief executive, warned that ticket prices would rise if the pound continued to suffer. "In time, if sterling continues to be weak, we are looking at increases, not just in fares but in all goods."

 

 

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Why Theresa May shared her Brexit fears with Goldman Sachs

The prime minister may be regretting her remarks, but the bank has boosted its reputation for powerful connections

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/oct/28/why-theresa-may-shared-brexit-fears-goldman-sachs

When the Guardian reported this week that Theresa May had privately made a passionate case for Britain’s continued membership of the EU shortly before the referendum, it didn’t look great. The problem wasn’t her opinion: she was saying the sort of things a member of the remain campaign was supposed to. The problem was that she wasn’t doing so in public – and the audience for her secret pitch was a select group of bankers from Goldman Sachs.

May is very far from the first politician to accept such an invitation. She has, for example, put herself in the same category as Hillary Clinton, who between resigning as US secretary of state and running for president made a number of highly lucrative speeches for the same bank. For both politicians, the idea that they are giving off-the-record briefings to the banking industry that stand at odds with their public pronouncements makes for very bad publicity indeed. For the spin doctors at Goldman Sachs, on the other hand, this must have been a pretty good week.

That’s not to say that “Goldman” or “Goldmans” – as insiders call the bank – is in general enthusiastic about publicity. Much like Fight Club, the first rule of the City is that you do not talk about the City: especially at major banks, unauthorised contact with reporters or researchers is grounds for immediate dismissal. Nowhere is this rule enforced more vigorously than at Goldman. There isn’t even a sign with the bank’s name on at its City HQ.

In the absence of a more conventional PR strategy, though, visits from the likes of May and Clinton serve a very useful purpose. Other banks may have good risk management, but none has Goldman’s mystique, or its network of former employees, from the European Central Bank president, Mario Draghi, to the Bank of England governor, Mark Carney, and former US Treasury ministers Hank Paulson and Robert Rubin. Goldman loves to present itself as the bank that is better than any of its competitors at drawing the most powerful decision-makers into its orbit – for example, hiring the former EU leader José Manuel Barroso earlier this year. All of this helps with recruitment as well as with holding on to staff. And so, publicity shy though Goldman may be, the outcry over May’s speech this week makes it look exactly the way it wants to.

“Any person being seen as at the global top of what they do, be it in basketball, green technology, fashion or chess, will be an interesting speaker for a bank trying to position itself as the global leader in its own field,” says one insider. Another adds: “It is the rock-star effect. ‘Look who we know! Look who we got!’ They say that politics is show business for ugly people. Getting a big-name politician in is just part of that – a celebrity to cheer up and maybe stimulate very well-paid but hard-pressed employees.”

 

 

Lupus in fabula

Such a joke

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The problem with poor old Jeremy, is that he was pro-Brexit while weakly proclaiming that he wasn't. It's only taken him...how many weeks to actually start asking relevant questions at PMQs? Thanks to this ineffective opposition, the UK (as it stands right now) is basically saddled with the Tories....forever! 

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Hey guys, looking for a last minute Halloween costume idea? I've just the thing to TERRIFY the local kids (and immigrants and Europeans and disabled and unemployed and vulnerable)

Print and wear!

 

may.jpg

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5 hours ago, Kim said:

Hey guys, looking for a last minute Halloween costume idea? I've just the thing to TERRIFY the local kids (and immigrants and Europeans and disabled and unemployed and vulnerable)

Print and wear!

 

may.jpg

 

:dead::lmao:

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What is Kilo doing in the Brexit thread? Oh wait, I see that's she's wearing the Theresa May witch mask above! Or maybe it's because she's an immigrant? Can we send her back? CAN WE??!

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Brexit voters wanted the parliament to be sovereign again so they must be ecstatic about the result :queenbitch:

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well, it will be a big mistake if the process is interrupted. Once the referendum was made, it would be absurd to stop it because the Parliament doesn't like the results. Parliament should be consulted BEFORE, and accept or deny having a referendum in the first place. But once made... 

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7 hours ago, Raider of the lost Ark said:

Haha. Here we go. A court has ruled the PM needs the parliaments approval to trigger article 50. This is going to be interesting now.

Indeed

The problem is that they really do not like having to go through parliament because numerically speaking it would ultimately show how many actual MPs are in favour of Brexit VS those that oppose it. I don't object to anyone's prerogative there to be pro Brexit, what I find telling and somewhat peculiar is the appalling attitude of some of those British politicians in handling the whole thing start to finish, regardless of which side they campaigned for

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On ‎01‎/‎11‎/‎2016 at 3:38 PM, Kim said:

What is Kilo doing in the Brexit thread? Oh wait, I see that's she's wearing the Theresa May witch mask above! Or maybe it's because she's an immigrant? Can we send her back? CAN WE??!

:laugh::rotfl:

Get rid of that Jake Shears and Ana Matronic first, they're insufferable. I like Kilo's Halloween mask by the way

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That fucking referendum was advisory not legally binding, ffs - before article 50 can be invoked, legally parliament must approve it first. It was about time that this piece of info was forced down the throats of so many imbeciles. Exit from the EU is not going to be decided by the common British people and never was despite what WannabeMaggie & Cunts want everyone to believe in the name of "democracy". They don't even know the meaning of that word, as they've clearly shown with their demented actions. And by they I mean those pieces of shit arrogant lying bastard assholes called Tories.

End of rant.

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Mess :scared:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/03/ruling-on-brexit-opens-way-to-mps-revolt

Theresa May faces potential MP revolt following article 50 ruling
High court decision that MPs must have a vote on triggering Brexit ‘gives chance to scrutinise prime minister’s approach’

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Theresa May is heading for a rebellion over her Brexit strategy after the high court ruled that the UK could not leave the European union without the permission of the British parliament.

Three senior judges ruled on Thursday that the government could not press ahead with triggering article 50 of the Lisbon treaty, the formal process for beginning Brexit, without first consulting MPs and peers in the Commons and Lords.

The decision, made after a legal challenge brought following the EU referendum result in June, is a dramatic setback for the prime minister, who had argued that she had the personal authority to begin the process without a parliamentary vote on the issue.

Downing Street has said they will challenge the judgment and an appeal with the supreme court is expected to be lodged. But David Davis, the Brexit secretary, acknowledged that the ruling as it stood meant the UK’s departure from the bloc would require the consent of both MPs and peers through an act of parliament. “The judges have laid out what we can’t do, and not exactly what we can do, but we’re presuming that it requires an act of parliament and therefore both Commons and Lords,” he said.

Parliamentarians are unlikely to block Brexit outright, given that 52% of voters among the public opted, on 23 June, to leave the EU, but the need for legislation gives MPs the opportunity to disrupt the process by demanding May reveals more details about her plan for negotiating the terms of departure.

The Guardian understands that a cross-party group of Tory and Labour MPs met this Thursday afternoon to discuss how the ruling could be used to force May to reveal more about her broad negotiating aims.

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:lmao:  :lmao::lmao: 

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-37863003

Can Theresa May resist temptation to mock Boris?

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Theresa May is going to have to start taking Boris Johnson seriously if she wants the world to do likewise.
 

Last night I sat on the same table as the foreign secretary at the Spectator Parliamentarian of the Year Awards. He was given a gong for "comeback of the year" after his failed leadership bid propelled him into King Charles Street. Mr Johnson gave a typically self-deprecatory speech, saying he hoped he would last longer than Lord Heseltine's mother's dog, Kim, which survived partial strangulation by the Tory peer only later to be put down. He spoke about the need to press on with Brexit, which he described as taking "the machete of freedom to the brambles of EU legislation".
 

'Titanic success'
 

He told a funny story about how he had recently caused confusion at a dinner with EU colleagues in Bratislava: he said Brexit Britain would support the EU from the outside, like a flying buttress; the interpreters translated this as a "flying bucket". And of course, there was the inevitable verbal slip when he promised that Brexit would be a "titantic success", a classicist's reference to the mythological giants rather than the ill-fated ship.

 

 

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Then the prime minister got to her feet. I shall pass over her venomous assault on Sir Craig Oliver, David Cameron's former communications chief, except to note that several senior Tories were stunned by her lack of grace.  One - almost speechless - said it was the most unprimeministerial thing they had ever heard.
 

But it was what Mrs May said about Boris Johnson that struck me most. Picking up on his reference to Lady Heseltine's aggressive Alsatian, the prime minister looked directly at her foreign secretary - I was directly in the eye line - and said: "Boris, the dog was put down... (pause)... when its master decided it wasn't needed any more."
 

It was a funny line. And we laughed. But it also struck me what a barbed line it was too. It was a warning as much as a joke, a threat of political euthanasia for a colleague if he stepped out of line.
 

Court jester
 

I also noted that this was, yet another, occasion when the prime minister had chosen to mock her foreign secretary in public. At the start of her conference speech last month, before the serried ranks of Tory faithful, Mrs May said there were many questions hanging in the air, including: "Can Boris Johnson stay on message for a full four days?... (pause)... just about."
 

Now every government has a court jester and Boris Johnson will never be able to escape that title. But his role in this government is crucial. He is there to convince the international community that Britain is not turning its back on the world post Brexit, that Britain has a positive role to play in global affairs.
 

And to do that he needs to be taken seriously. Many foreign politicians and diplomats that I speak to tell me they are pleasantly surprised when they meet the foreign secretary for the first time. They talk of the man behind the caricature - the cultured, over-educated intellectual who often speaks a bit of their language and who can be thoughtful when he is not gripped by banter.
 

The problem is that many others - who have not met the foreign secretary in person - often still see him as a kind of upmarket Nigel Farage, a Eurosceptic clown with clout. So to do his job, Britain's diplomat-in-chief needs of every bit of credibility he can lay his hands on. He is already the butt of many jokes. The last thing he needs is his prime minister adding to the mirth.

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^^^ She shouldn't have given Bozo the job in the first place, in some ill-advised attempt to continue appeasing the Brexit camp in her own party. That old witch doesn't have a goddamn clue what she's doing. Watching her car-crash PMQs is excruciating. I'm glad she's choking on that poisoned chalice she was given.

So this will now go to the Supreme Court, and I doubt they'll overturn the High Court decision. It IS a sovereign parliamentary issue, no matter what way you look at it.

Going against the (so-called) 'will of the British people' probably won't happen though, as so many spineless MPs are worried about their small majorities and don't want to rock the boat by voting down the actual triggering of Article 50, and there's also this ridiculous "the people will not be denied"  rhetoric gaining momentum day by day by those terrified that their plan might unravel. You just need to look at the drivel and bile being regurgitated daily by The Daily Mail and the rest of the right-wing press...but it does mean that there's more scope for those upcoming negotiations to be transparent.

In the meantime our currency continues to devalue, inflation will rise, prices for everything will start to go up - as soon as fixed pricing contracts end and currency hedges expire, the price of all goods are going up 20% ...from TVs to onions, tomatoes, cars, petrol etc, (John Lewis being the latest to confirm this) just as wages and investment stagnate, just as skilled workers flee the country. But that's okay...because "we've taken our country back" as we build those borders all around us.... Gimme strength....

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17 hours ago, Kim said:

^^^ She shouldn't have given Bozo the job in the first place, in some ill-advised attempt to continue appeasing the Brexit camp in her own party. That old witch doesn't have a goddamn clue what she's doing. Watching her car-crash PMQs is excruciating. I'm glad she's choking on that poisoned chalice she was given.

So this will now go to the Supreme Court, and I doubt they'll overturn the High Court decision. It IS a sovereign parliamentary issue, no matter what way you look at it.

Going against the (so-called) 'will of the British people' probably won't happen though, as so many spineless MPs are worried about their small majorities and don't want to rock the boat by voting down the actual triggering of Article 50, and there's also this ridiculous "the people will not be denied"  rhetoric gaining momentum day by day by those terrified that their plan might unravel. You just need to look at the drivel and bile being regurgitated daily by The Daily Mail and the rest of the right-wing press...but it does mean that there's more scope for those upcoming negotiations to be transparent.

In the meantime our currency continues to devalue, inflation will rise, prices for everything will start to go up - as soon as fixed pricing contracts end and currency hedges expire, the price of all goods are going up 20% ...from TVs to onions, tomatoes, cars, petrol etc, (John Lewis being the latest to confirm this) just as wages and investment stagnate, just as skilled workers flee the country. But that's okay...because "we've taken our country back" as we build those borders all around us.... Gimme strength....

Poison chalice indeed for May. Kind of like a no win situation. I'll never understand how that clown got the Foreign Office post in the first place. I mean you may as well pick someone from the Brexit side just pick someone fit for the role.

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