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She can it shit.  Let's cooperate in economics and security but all foreign people out.  

She can go and fuck herself and all the racist Brexiters too. 

 

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1 hour ago, karbatal said:

She can it shit.  Let's cooperate in economics and security but all foreign people out.  

She can go and fuck herself and all the racist Brexiters too. 

 

Si la caza europeos británicos fuera de su preciosa isla, se puede dar una patada en el culo a todos los expatriados británicos en España, por favor?

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"We have to be very clear about what country we wish to become" - So says Lord Kerr of Kinlochard who drafted Art 50.

What is that country you wish us to become?

That's complicated for me as I'm deeply unhappy about what it will do to regions of the UK including Northern Ireland. It also affects how I feel about my national identity, complicated for me because of my all Ireland family. This whole badly handled business has tipped me and many others from the feeling of being British to feeling Irish and European.

So, if I'm trying to answer Lord Kerr's question, I'm fearful not for myself but for my family and our current generation of young people who do not have insular thinking.

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Where's David Cameron now BTW? He started all this mess.  Is he already getting hundreds of thousands of dollars for useless conferences about international affairs?

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By the way,  Merkel strategy is so great :lmao:. First negotiate the divorce and only afterwards the future relationship.

That leaves UK with no margin to negotiate at all. 

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5 hours ago, karbatal said:

By the way,  Merkel strategy is so great :lmao:. First negotiate the divorce and only afterwards the future relationship.

That leaves UK with no margin to negotiate at all. 

Don't mess with Queen Angie.:lol:

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"She said that if Britain leaves the EU’s single market, her business would lose crucial licencing rights and that an EU subsidiary would be set up in a country that is likely to remain in the EU, in order to be able to provide seamless coverage to customers."

If I were a continental European I would want nothing to do with the UK anymore

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/lloyds-of-london-to-set-up-a-european-insurance-company-in-brussels-after-brexit-eu-europe-a7657201.html

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5 hours ago, BrendanT1993 said:

"She said that if Britain leaves the EU’s single market, her business would lose crucial licencing rights and that an EU subsidiary would be set up in a country that is likely to remain in the EU, in order to be able to provide seamless coverage to customers."

If I were a continental European I would want nothing to do with the UK anymore

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/lloyds-of-london-to-set-up-a-european-insurance-company-in-brussels-after-brexit-eu-europe-a7657201.html

I am a continental European. I share that sentiment on your last sentence.

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The UK Government has always been like that neighbour who thinks he's better than you,  even if his son smokes pot all day,  the wife fucks around and the daughter got pregnant at 15. 

Just because all mafias in the world along with guns dealers parade their Porches around Kensington,  you are not richer,  nor better,  nor superior to any Portuguese,  Spaniard,  Bulgarian or Italian.  If only,  you only have less scrupulous politicians (and that's saying). 

What really makes me sad is the real people,  those who work hard, know the world and feel comfortable among immigrants.  And that's a big chunk of British population. 

 

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Week in Review: A cold dose of reality for Team May

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If you put a frog in boiling water, it jumps out. If you put it in cold water and slowly turn up the heat, it will sit there and boil to death without noticing. Looking at the reality of Britain's EU predicament now, just a couple days into Article 50, everything feels a million miles away from where we were even a few weeks ago. It bears no comparison whatsoever with the  fevered optimism of the referendum campaign.

Back then, the Brexiters promised free unicorns to everyone and a pot of gold at the end of every rainbow. There'd be more money for the NHS, more control for the British people, everyone would know their neighbours again and a friendly bobby would stroll on every street. Today, the conversation is, at the very best, about minimising the negative repercussions of Brexit. It has gone from a solution to everything to a problem for everyone.

Once upon a time Boris Johnson implied Europe needed us more than we needed them. David Davis told us that we would go to individual member states to strike up trade agreements. Liam Fox told us he would finalise trade deals with non-EU countries while we were conducting Brexit negotiations.

All of that is false. Today's draft guidelines from Donald Tusk at the Council of the European Union showed that Europe is in complete control of the negotiation process. Britain is barred from holding bilateral talks with EU member states on Brexit during negotiations and it cannot negotiate trade deals with other countries at the same time either.

The balance of power is evident throughout. The British demand that talks on the divorce run in parallel with talks on the future trade relationship are dismissed. Instead, "the European Council will monitor progress closely and determine when sufficient progress has been achieved to allow negotiations to proceed to the next phase". The wording tells you everything about the dynamics of the negotiation. They are in control. They decide when they are ready to move to the next stage.

Davis' vision of a UK-German trade deal was always fantasy, but it's now clear even bilateral meetings on Brexit are ruled out. "So as not to undercut the position of the Union, there will be no separate negotiations between individual member states and the United Kingdom," the paper reads.

The attitude to the thorny budget issue, in which the EU is demanding around £50 billion for financial items and pensions, seems unchanged. "A single financial settlement should ensure that the Union and the United Kingdom both respect the obligations undertaken before the date of withdrawal," it reads. This refers to promises in the current seven-year financial period, which lasts to the end of 2020. It therefore means we're on the hook for seven quarters after our March 2019 exit. Then it says: "The settlement should cover all legal and budgetary commitments as well as liabilities, including contingent liabilities." That seems to refer to pensions. No discernable movement on any of these issues.

May has been speaking for months about British firms ability to have "access to and operate within" the single market. We've heard it so much from her that it almost trips off the tongue. That gets very short shrift here.

"Preserving the integrity of the single market excludes participation based on a sector-by-sector approach," the draft guideline says. Any future free trade agreement could not "amount to participation in the single market or parts thereof". It is remarkable to see months of prime ministerial rhetoric dismissed with a flick of the pen in Brussels.

May spoke of agreeing the final terms of the free trade deal during the Article 50 window, then getting it ratified across the EU, before initiating an "implementation period" for it coming into force. That gets short shrift too.

The EU only envisages "preliminary and preparatory discussions" towards a trade deal. This second phase of negotiation, which starts when it is satisfied with the Budget issue, would only create an "overall understanding on the framework of the future relationship". The deal would only be "finalised and concluded" once the UK is out the EU. Transitional arrangements must be "clearly defined, limited in time, and subject to effective enforcement mechanisms". And when a future trade deal is signed, "it must ensure a level playing field in terms of competition and state aid, and must encompass safeguards against unfair competitive advantages through, inter alia, fiscal, social and environmental dumping". That suggests Britain will still not have control over its environmental standards, state aid rules and other issues, even outside the EU, despite having lost any voice in formulating them.

There are positives in the document. The EU commits to trying to avoid a chaotic no-deal scenario, although it says "it will prepare itself to be able to handle the situation also if the negotiations were to fail". It reiterates that it wants the UK as a close partner in future. It says it intends to "reduce uncertainty" and "minimise disruption". It commits to "flexible and imaginative solutions" to avoid a hard border in Ireland. And it wants a deal on EU citizens in the UK and British citizens in the EU as "a matter of priority".

But generally this is a cold splash of water in the face for the May team. It shows how quickly their rhetoric falls apart in the face of a stronger negotiating partner. All those optimistic promises from Brexit campaigners and government ministers disappear as soon as the European position emerges.

Britain is now the junior partner in a negotiation which will define its economic future. It is operating to a timetable set by the larger partner, according to rules imposed by them, with an end-result that they have decided without us and which contradicts the stated aims of the UK government. If people were asked whether they wanted this nine months ago their answer is unlikely to have been particularly encouraging. Put the frog in boiling water and it jumps out. But if you raise that temperature bit by bit, if you degrade expectations steadily, it hardly notices what is happening. 

This is the reality of what taking back control entails. Two more years to go.

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2017/03/31/week-in-review-a-cold-dose-of-reality-for-team-may

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Its funny how Theresa May is acting like the negotiations will be on her terms :lol:

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everything is really sad, and, even though I think the biggest losers are going to be the britons, here in the EU there´s no reason to be happy if one of the big countries goes away

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1 minute ago, promise to try said:

everything is really sad, and, even though I think the biggest losers are going to be the britons, here in the EU there´s no reason to be happy if one of the big countries goes away

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There has been much talk of the issue of Brexit and the effect it will have on Gibraltar on the news and in the papers today... Gibraltar brings sadness to many Irish Anti Imperialists as three Irish people were murdered on the Rock of Gibraltar unarmed by a British right wing Imperialist death squad.. One Mairead Farrell is an icon to Feminist and Socialists local and International all three are icons to Anti Imperialist everywhere..Gibraltar does not belong to Britain it is part of Spain not Britain ...The British should hand the island of Gibraltar back to Spain and it should demilitarize all its military bases there and everywhere ...Britain out of Gibraltar.. Britain out of Northern Ireland ..Spain out of the Basque country ..Hand liberty back to all countries under Occupation... End Imperialism everywhere ...

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1 hour ago, BrendanT1993 said:

There has been much talk of the issue of Brexit and the effect it will have on Gibraltar on the news and in the papers today... Gibraltar brings sadness to many Irish Anti Imperialists as three Irish people were murdered on the Rock of Gibraltar unarmed by a British right wing Imperialist death squad.. One Mairead Farrell is an icon to Feminist and Socialists local and International all three are icons to Anti Imperialist everywhere..Gibraltar does not belong to Britain it is part of Spain not Britain ...The British should hand the island of Gibraltar back to Spain and it should demilitarize all its military bases there and everywhere ...Britain out of Gibraltar.. Britain out of Northern Ireland ..Spain out of the Basque country ..Hand liberty back to all countries under Occupation... End Imperialism everywhere ...

But if we are truly living in democratic times shouldn't the citizens of Gibraltar have a say? Give those people a referendum and see where they choose to stay. 

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That letter is so full of contradictions

Plus May's customary empty rethoric

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Apparently May would go to war with Spain to "stand by" the people of Gibraltar. Barely few days after Article SHIFTY has been invoked and there is war-talk already. Oh but the almighty superior divided kingdom could be getting its blue British passports back. No money for the NHS but £500 millions are disposable over the color of an adorable old-fashioned passport. How wonderful to take back control, especially when manipulated to do so.

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'There could be no flights to and from UK for months after Brexit' - Ryanair chief

  • O'Leary praises minister Shane Ross for his handling of Bus Eireann dispute
  • Brexit is the 'longest suicide note in history' and UK will pull back

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Ryanair chief Michael O'Leary has revealed that flights to and from Britain could be cancelled in the weeks immediately after Brexit.

Speaking to Ivan Yates on Newstalk this morning, the airline CEO said he doesn't know what Britan's divorce from the EU will mean for the airline industry.

Mr O'Leary has explained that the UK is planning to leave the 'Open Skies' arrangement as part of the Brexit negotiations and he claims this will mean they will need to negotiate bilateral arrangements with European partners within the next two years.

"I think the Europeans are looking around and saying: 'how do we teach the British a lesson? Maybe cutting off flights for three months after March 2019 he will begin to understand what is going on.'

"Explaining passporting of financial services doesn't appeal to the guy in Hull or Grimsby or in Leicester that he can't go on holiday to Spain, now he begins to understand the risk. That there will not be flights to and from the UK for a couple of months or a couple of weeks after March 2019 is one of the ways that you demonstrate to Joe Public that this is what is happening."

Mr O'Leary said he believed that the UK "doesn’t have a clue what they’re doing".

And the airline chief predicted that Brexit may not actually happen, calling on Ireland to stand firm with EU nations.

"The closer you push Britain to the cliff edge in March 2019, I think the Tory party will turn back in on itself  and realise that leaving the largest trading bloc is a stupid idea.

"It's the longest suicide note in economic history and I think they will pull back. it is in Ireland's interests to stick with the Europeans."

He continued: "I see no upside for Britain leaving."

Mr O'Leary also shared his thoughts on the Bus Eireann strike. He said his solution for the public sector transport crisis would be to "privatise the entire industry".

"Ryanair has proven long ago that transport belongs in the private sector. The government is incapable of running a low-cost or efficient service."

Mr O'Leary said minister Shane Ross has "played a blinder" on the Bus Eireann dispute by staying out of it.

"You will only get common sense from the unions when they realise that they can't blackmail the government."

Mr O'Leary said there was no need for a minister for Transport.

"We deregulated airline travel and it was one of the greatest successes of the European Union. The state has no business being involved in public transport because the state is crap at running transport.

"In the same way as it is crap at running television and radio stations."

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/there-could-be-no-flights-to-and-from-uk-for-months-after-brexit-ryanair-chief-35586402.html

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11 hours ago, BrendanT1993 said:

There has been much talk of the issue of Brexit and the effect it will have on Gibraltar on the news and in the papers today... Gibraltar brings sadness to many Irish Anti Imperialists as three Irish people were murdered on the Rock of Gibraltar unarmed by a British right wing Imperialist death squad.. One Mairead Farrell is an icon to Feminist and Socialists local and International all three are icons to Anti Imperialist everywhere..Gibraltar does not belong to Britain it is part of Spain not Britain ...The British should hand the island of Gibraltar back to Spain and it should demilitarize all its military bases there and everywhere ...Britain out of Gibraltar.. Britain out of Northern Ireland ..Spain out of the Basque country ..Hand liberty back to all countries under Occupation... End Imperialism everywhere ...

Basque Country has nothing to do with imperialism at all. It's a far different issue.  

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5 hours ago, pjcowley said:

Apparently May would go to war with Spain to "stand by" the people of Gibraltar. Barely few days after Article SHIFTY has been invoked and there is war-talk already. Oh but the almighty superior divided kingdom could be getting its blue British passports back. No money for the NHS but £500 millions are disposable over the color of an adorable old-fashioned passport. How wonderful to take back control, especially when manipulated to do so.

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Spain has zero interest in taking Gibraltar by force.  This stupid mong simply is trying to shift atention from the fact that citizens from Gibraltar voted 90% to remain because they cannot survive with a closed frontier. 

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1 hour ago, karbatal said:

Spain has zero interest in taking Gibraltar by force.  This stupid mong simply is trying to shift atention from the fact that citizens from Gibraltar voted 90% to remain because they cannot survive with a closed frontier. 

Anyways, it's great EU is supporting Spain on this. It must put its whole weight on Spains side.

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13 hours ago, pjcowley said:

Apparently May would go to war with Spain to "stand by" the people of Gibraltar. Barely few days after Article SHIFTY has been invoked and there is war-talk already. Oh but the almighty superior divided kingdom could be getting its blue British passports back. No money for the NHS but £500 millions are disposable over the color of an adorable old-fashioned passport. How wonderful to take back control, especially when manipulated to do so.

C8ZvKsAXkAEZ3NG.jpg

 

Rupert Murdoch - the face of evil.  He has far too much influence in the World.  

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