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This horrible news is just an opportunistic power grab by Theresa Mayhem, just weeks after her "politics is not a game" bullshit speech, but a fine way to increase her majority even further and make sure there's no opposition whatsoever to whatever maniacal Brexit plans (and right wing austerity) she presents to parliament, as stated so succinctly in this disgusting front page from her favourite paper. "Saboteurs" apparently being an acceptable way to describe any democratic opposition these days.

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But then, who can blame her when she's in the unprecedented position of having a mid-term 20 point lead in the polls thanks to Labour being a complete joke and there being no opposition? There's Corbyn - a complete laughing stock, Tim Farron - a so-called Liberal Democrat leader who just happens to be a fundamentalist Christian...and that's it. England/Wales doesn't have the luxury of a Nicola Sturgeon who's the only sane one out of the lot and who today challenged May to a leadership debate that she obviously declined as she's shit scared of any talking that requires her to think on her feet. The demonisation of Sturgeon has already begun in middle England and the media of course, She, like a pro, takes it all in her stride as per....

 

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Discussing / Complaining are complimentary and an extension to each other. People sharing views is a positive thing for humanity, coming together and not getting divided by labels would be even better. You have ridiculed other posters implying they take this too seriously. Well, guess what, it is serious, whichever angle you look at it from.

I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree.

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Theresa May is living proof that one should never be attempted to lead a country when affected by type 2 diabetes.

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Only a miracle can save us from this Tories regime now. 

WW 3 might happen next month so maybe that could stop the conservatives to run this country and turn it into a joke as if things are not already bad enough.

How clever of them to push for an election where clearly they have no competition. The English should wake up and smell the coffee but I doubt it... after Brexit and Trump peeps have become so unpredictable with their voting choice and will end up voting for her and her party as she's the only politician who hasn't been completely trashed by the media. 

These governments are truly deplorable. No wonder we are facing world conflicts. All they care about is themselves and save their own skin. They make me sick :sick:

Instead of hoping in things that don't exist such as miracles, do your bit and DON'T vote for those Tories scumbags, nor for the traitor pieces of shit Labors and let's not forget the cunts of the cunts UKIP drunkards. Vote for whoever the hell you wish but don't cast your vote for those three assholes please. Thank you.

 

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Instead of hoping in things that don't exist such as miracles, do your bit and DON'T vote for those Tories scumbags, nor for the traitor pieces of shit Labors and let's not forget the cunts of the cunts UKIP drunkards. Vote for whoever the hell you wish but don't cast your vote for those three assholes please. Thank you.

 

Miracles do exist and that's my belief and yes of course I will go to vote..  that's a given.

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Oh Lordy, what a whole mess.

i don't have a problem with Theresa May changing her mind and holding an election. There were complaints that she was unelected (like Gordon Brown previously) and why wouldn't you do it when the opposition is a complete mess? That's just basic common sense.

But I'm amazed that the leader of the LIBERAL party is anti abortion and thinks bring gay is a sin! The party must have seen any potential hope of coming back just disappear down the drain. 

Labour could still surprise if the young bother to get off their arses and bother to vote! SNP mentioned a joint coalition.

this could turn out to be another surprise!  

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Oh Lordy, what a whole mess.

i don't have a problem with Theresa May changing her mind and holding an election. There were complaints that she was unelected (like Gordon Brown previously) and why wouldn't you do it when the opposition is a complete mess? That's just basic common sense.

But I'm amazed that the leader of the LIBERAL party is anti abortion and thinks bring gay is a sin! The party must have seen any potential hope of coming back just disappear down the drain. 

Labour could still surprise if the young bother to get off their arses and bother to vote! SNP mentioned a joint coalition.

this could turn out to be another surprise!  

Well the whole point of the fixed term parliament act was to prevent this kind of opportunistic "we're doing great in the polls, let's go for another five years while we can" power grab. There was no appetite for a general election, May wasn't facing a vote of no confidence or any rebellion. It's just a cynical ploy to increase her majority (and she will, god help us).

Corbyn has ruled out any deals or coalitions with the SNP, probably because of the faux uproar that was made the last time about Salmond and the pesky Scots coming down and ruling over Milliband and pulling his strings (just wait for the exact same tactics to be used this time by the press with Sturgeon) The only good that may come out of this is that Labour can finally get rid of Corbyn if he does as disastrously as predicted. I'm not sure how any new leader would go about healing the split in that party, though it has to be done if we are to be saved from an eternity of Tory rule. 

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Sorry if this is off topic but I feel it's relevant, am curious to know what everyone thinks about a United Ireland? Living in Northern Ireland has become stale and I would argue that it should be reunited with the republic. 

Northern Ireland staying part of the UK is like staying with your partner who no longer loves you and no longer wants to have sex with you. But you hang around anyway because you're too afraid of what life will be like without them.

 The reason why Northern Ireland is financially non viable is precisely because we are part of the UK. It will never be prosperous or successful until it's rejoined with the Republic. 

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Only a miracle can save us from this Tories regime now. 

WW 3 might happen next month so maybe that could stop the conservatives to run this country and turn it into a joke as if things are not already bad enough.

How clever of them to push for an election where clearly they have no competition. The English should wake up and smell the coffee but I doubt it... after Brexit and Trump peeps have become so unpredictable with their voting choice and will end up voting for her and her party as she's the only politician who hasn't been completely trashed by the media. 

These governments are truly deplorable. No wonder we are facing world conflicts. All they care about is themselves and save their own skin. They make me sick :sick:

 

Tory government would launch preemptive nuclear strike, defense secretary says

 

Prime Minister Theresa May would be prepared to launch a preemptive nuclear strike against any enemies, even if Britain was not under attack, Defence Secretary Michael Fallon has claimed.

“In the most extreme circumstances we have made it very clear that you can’t rule out the use of nuclear weapons as a first strike,” Fallon told the BBC’s Today program.

When asked in what circumstances, he replied: “They are better not specified or described, which would only give comfort to our enemies and make the deterrent less credible.

“The whole point about the deterrent is that you have got to leave uncertainty in the mind of anyone who might be thinking of using weapons against this country.”

The prime minister’s official spokesperson later added there was “no reason to disagree with what the defense secretary said.”

Trident’s four submarines operate a continuous at-sea nuclear deterrent. Last year, a vote in the House of Commons saw MPs vote for Trident’s renewal, which is expected to cost up to £225 billion (about US$285 billion) over its service lifetime.

Fallon’s comments come as the Tories continued to exploit Labour divisions on the retention of the Trident deterrent, to warn of the “very dangerous chaos” if Jeremy Corbyn becomes prime minister.

On Sunday, the Labour leader said he would never authorize the use of nuclear weapons and suggested Trident renewal might not be in Labour’s election manifesto – only to be corrected within hours by party colleagues.

Speaking to the BBC, Fallon said voters tempted by Labour had been left “completely unsure as to what would actually happen to our nuclear deterrent.”

“I think you saw Jeremy Corbyn yesterday questioning strikes against terrorists, refusing to back the nuclear deterrent, he’s been querying our NATO deployment and he seems to have fallen out with his own party over nuclear deterrent.

“That’s chaos, but it’s very dangerous chaos that would put the security of our country at risk.”

Corbyn, a long-standing proponent of total nuclear disarmament, believes a Trident renewal is expensive, unsafe, ill-suited for contemporary warfare and in violation of international commitments.

Fallon also insisted that critics of Trident, including senior military figures who have ridiculed the idea that it is an effective deterrent, were “absolutely wrong.”

“It deters day and night every single day of every single year,” he said.

 

https://www.rt.com/uk/385959-corbyn-fallon-strike-nuclear/

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European leaders are preparing to recognise the potential for a united Ireland within the EU, confirming that Northern Ireland would seamlessly rejoin the bloc after Brexit in the event of a vote for Irish reunification.

In a step that may stoke concerns in Britain that Brexit could hasten the fragmentation of the UK, diplomats are planning to ask leaders of the EU’s 27 post-Brexit member countries to endorse the idea in a summit on Saturday.

https://www.ft.com/content/f4c720b0-2b63-11e7-bc4b-5528796fe35c

there's a long way to go to convince people this will be good long term. For instance, the republic needs to sort its health system out, and stop acting so corrupt over things like water charges, or it's not going to appeal to a LOT of people. Half of our population needs to be gently educated about what Ireland really means, and why unification is even wanted, too.

Don't get me wrong. It's pretty fecked here too. The UK/north's own health system is being dismantled and privatised so corporations can make money with the very same thing they claim is losing money. Here, the NHS it's much worse than in England (or Scotland) already.

We have our corruption up here too -- RHI, golf courses sold to friends of MLAs, despite risking one of our best tourist attractions and a world heritage site, etc. Our economy is still fecked, and always will be, while we're an isolated part of a different country, instead of a united part of the island we're already on.

We'd be MUCH better off united. We just have to make sure the whole becomes the best of both, and not the worst of both. And that means going slow, and making an OBVIOUSLY better case for unification, for EVERYONE.

For now I'm just glad that everyone here will have the option to remain part of Europe, together, and that The North will be constitutionally protected from some of the bullshit that England will try to pull off post-brexit. The UK stripping people's existing EU citizenship away from them is bullshit. The country leaving Europe is one thing, but taking people's citizenship should NEVER happen.

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Theresa May says she will be a "bloody difficult woman" towards European Commission president Jean-Claude Juncker during Brexit talks. The PM revived a line used during her Tory leadership campaign to respond to claims the two clashed over dinner. She also declined to commit to settling the issue of expats' rights by June

 

 

 

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I am absolutely speechless.  Translation from the Frankfurter Allgemeine about the infamous Junker and May reunion.  

https://medium.com/@20sthredhead/i-translated-that-infamous-german-article-concerning-the-may-juncker-dinner-that-everyones-been-ac5f952b92e

 

good heavens

 

That’s why EU circles see this stab by London as something different — they see it as an early battle move foreshadowing the negotiations over the British EU divorce bill. It is feared that May will use moves such as these to ruin everyday business in order to improve her bad negotiation position. Juncker therefore retorted immediately. If May was so concerned about not tying the future government’s hands, then it would also not be possible to talk about exit negotiation conditions such as schedules, the space to be used, participants to be involved and so on. The clock was ticking — as she had said. This prelude to the dinner made it clear to both sides that this would not be an easy evening.

 

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When something is wrong and it's their fault they start citing "election interference" from X, Y, Z

Give me a break

 

 

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-39787353

Theresa May has accused European politicians of making "threats" against Britain to try to influence the general election result. The PM launched a stinging attack on the "bureaucrats of Brussels" in a speech outside 10 Downing Street after meeting the Queen. She said some in Brussels wanted Brexit talks to fail and that the European press had "misrepresented" the UK's negotiating stance. The election is now formally under way.

 

 

 

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She's got the seige mentality?

Mind you, she has to deal with some very difficult men, yes, men, such as Jean Claude Juncker.

Nothing against men, by the way, but Theresa might find Juncker's ladish supremacy a bit hard to handle.

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On 2017-5-4 at 0:28 AM, XXL said:

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-39787353

Theresa May has accused European politicians of making "threats" against Britain to try to influence the general election result. The PM launched a stinging attack on the "bureaucrats of Brussels" in a speech outside 10 Downing Street after meeting the Queen. She said some in Brussels wanted Brexit talks to fail and that the European press had "misrepresented" the UK's negotiating stance. The election is now formally under way.

 

 

 

It's amazing how many people can't see this swivel-eyed loon playing the electorate like a fiddle. 

When she walks away with a shit deal (or no deal at all) it'll be because of Big Bad Europe and how terribly they treated poor old Granny. In fact, they'll probably find a way to blame the 'remainers' for it. I can see it now.

And even as May hides away from the real media, visiting town halls with bussed in supporters and reading out "strong & stable vs coalition of chaos" from her autocue over and over again, refusing to engage in anything resembling an actual real election campaign, the English Lemmings still trotted out and gave this vile lot over 500 new seats in yesterdays local council elections. If that also happens in a months time at the General Election, then she'll have the one party right-wing state she so craves.

I don't think people outside this country understand just what has happened to democracy in the UK over the last couple of years. 

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4 hours ago, Kim said:

It's amazing how many people can't see this swivel-eyed loon playing the electorate like a fiddle. 

When she walks away with a shit deal (or no deal at all) it'll be because of Big Bad Europe and how terribly they treated poor old Granny. In fact, they'll probably find a way to blame the 'remainers' for it. I can see it now.

And even as May hides away from the real media, visiting town halls with bussed in supporters and reading out "strong & stable vs coalition of chaos" from her autocue over and over again, refusing to engage in anything resembling an actual real election campaign, the English Lemmings still trotted out and gave this vile lot over 500 new seats in yesterdays local council elections. If that also happens in a months time at the General Election, then she'll have the one party right-wing state she so craves.

I don't think people outside this country understand just what has happened to democracy in the UK over the last couple of years. 

 

:chuckle::clap:

Democracy all over the world has unfortunately taken a downward spiral, straight into the loo. If we truly had ANY REAL democracy to begin with. In particular with regard to the UK situation, from Cameron's initial election gamble in pledging to allow a referendum in the first place in order to prevent UKIP from making advancements, to Johnson and Gove washing their hands clean of everything the morning after, to the appointment of May and her dull, empty, Brexit Means Brexit oh so menacing rethoric, it's been one shambolic embarrassment after the next.

It's not so much that most people in England bar London, or Wales voted out of the EU per se, but about the party politics element of it, from how it all started out to how it's been carried out by Brexiteer politicians so far

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Watching from the outside, the Labour Party is also responsible for the delirium of omnipotence of the Tories though imho, before even getting to discussing the ineffectiveness of well-meaning Corbyn, I feel like figures like the Milibands etc have ruined the credibility of the party of the workers/the people/middle class

A friend of mine from London calls them Primrose Hill champagne socialists. And going a bit back I still cannot believe how Tony Blair is still walking scot free after all the lies on Iraq and what that has in turn produced, followed by Lybia etc. It came as no surprise when he and good Cheryl converted to Catholicism. Expression of real supreme power.

That's why I often say that the Left and the Right look just too samey these days, and who stands to suffer the most it's always the people

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:sadface:

 

The Conservatives have made big gains in the local elections, winning seats all across the country from every other party - it's their best result in nearly a decade. As well as taking control of five councils in England and Wales they've made significant gains in Scotland. Labour has taken a beating, losing control of its former stronghold of Glasgow, amongst others. UKIP's vote has collapsed, and the Liberal Democrats had varied fortunes. With all councils now declared

 

 

 

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On 6 May 2017 at 4:19 AM, Kim said:

It's amazing how many people can't see this swivel-eyed loon playing the electorate like a fiddle. 

When she walks away with a shit deal (or no deal at all) it'll be because of Big Bad Europe and how terribly they treated poor old Granny. In fact, they'll probably find a way to blame the 'remainers' for it. I can see it now.

And even as May hides away from the real media, visiting town halls with bussed in supporters and reading out "strong & stable vs coalition of chaos" from her autocue over and over again, refusing to engage in anything resembling an actual real election campaign, the English Lemmings still trotted out and gave this vile lot over 500 new seats in yesterdays local council elections. If that also happens in a months time at the General Election, then she'll have the one party right-wing state she so craves.

I don't think people outside this country understand just what has happened to democracy in the UK over the last couple of years. 

It is beyond frightening just how much power she is gaining.  If the Conservatives clean up completely at the next election, it will give her a platform to do what she pleases.  

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Just WOW! 

http://www.businessinsider.com/japan-brexit-note-to-britain-2016-9?r=UK&IR=T

You should read Japan's Brexit note to Britain — it's brutal

 

You should read Japan's message to Britain on Brexit. Especially if you supported Leave. It's a brutal, lengthy, detailed dissection of all the potential economic damage leaving the EU will do to the UK.

The message is addressed to everyone in Britain, not just some government official in Theresa May's Department for Exiting the European Union. Its title is "Japan’s Message to the United Kingdom and the European Union."

The 15-page document is also startling because it isn't couched in vague, political spin. The only thing we "know" about May's Brexit strategy is "Brexit means Brexit." May has given no further details about what her government is trying to achieve.

The note from the Japan Ministry of Foreign Affairs, in contrast, is a list of specific concerns and demands. In sum, it says, we have invested a huge amount of money in Britain. And you guys are screwing it up. Do you want us to withdraw all our cash, companies and investments? Because we can make that happen if you guys don't wake up to reality!

To quote the letter (emphasis ours):

"There are numerous Japanese businesses operating in Europe, which have created 440,000 jobs. A considerable number of these firms are concentrated in the UK. Nearly half of Japanese direct investment intended for the EU in 2015 flowed to the UK ... we strongly request that the UK will consider this fact seriously and respond in a responsible manner to minimise any harmful effects on these businesses."

The most startling aspect of the note is contained in a series of text boxes. "Actual requests from Japanese businesses are listed in the boxes under the headings below," the letter says. One of those boxes says Japanese banks may leave if Britain cannot maintain an EU-like economic relationship (emphasis ours):

"If Japanese financial institutions are unable to maintain the single passport obtained in the UK, they would face difficulties in their business operations in the EU and might have to acquire corporate status within the EU anew and obtain the passport again, or to relocate their operations from the UK to existing establishments in the EU."

And then there is a bucket of cold water for everyone who wants to reduce immigration (as May herself does). Companies can't survive without flexible immigration, the Japanese say. In fact, immigration should be increased, they say:

JapanJapan Ministry of Foreign Affairs

 

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2 hours ago, karbatal said:

Just WOW! 

http://www.businessinsider.com/japan-brexit-note-to-britain-2016-9?r=UK&IR=T

You should read Japan's Brexit note to Britain — it's brutal

 

You should read Japan's message to Britain on Brexit. Especially if you supported Leave. It's a brutal, lengthy, detailed dissection of all the potential economic damage leaving the EU will do to the UK.

The message is addressed to everyone in Britain, not just some government official in Theresa May's Department for Exiting the European Union. Its title is "Japan’s Message to the United Kingdom and the European Union."

The 15-page document is also startling because it isn't couched in vague, political spin. The only thing we "know" about May's Brexit strategy is "Brexit means Brexit." May has given no further details about what her government is trying to achieve.

The note from the Japan Ministry of Foreign Affairs, in contrast, is a list of specific concerns and demands. In sum, it says, we have invested a huge amount of money in Britain. And you guys are screwing it up. Do you want us to withdraw all our cash, companies and investments? Because we can make that happen if you guys don't wake up to reality!

To quote the letter (emphasis ours):

"There are numerous Japanese businesses operating in Europe, which have created 440,000 jobs. A considerable number of these firms are concentrated in the UK. Nearly half of Japanese direct investment intended for the EU in 2015 flowed to the UK ... we strongly request that the UK will consider this fact seriously and respond in a responsible manner to minimise any harmful effects on these businesses."

The most startling aspect of the note is contained in a series of text boxes. "Actual requests from Japanese businesses are listed in the boxes under the headings below," the letter says. One of those boxes says Japanese banks may leave if Britain cannot maintain an EU-like economic relationship (emphasis ours):

"If Japanese financial institutions are unable to maintain the single passport obtained in the UK, they would face difficulties in their business operations in the EU and might have to acquire corporate status within the EU anew and obtain the passport again, or to relocate their operations from the UK to existing establishments in the EU."

And then there is a bucket of cold water for everyone who wants to reduce immigration (as May herself does). Companies can't survive without flexible immigration, the Japanese say. In fact, immigration should be increased, they say:

JapanJapan Ministry of Foreign Affairs

 

Mess :scared:

Not just for the UK but for Europe as a whole

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We won't av no bloody JAPS tellin us wot to do!!!!. Britain for the British!!!! I'll be votin' Teresa May back in to get our country baaaack! #handsoffourrock #endsharialaw #prouddadoftwo

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^ that's the exact reaction we can expect. Can't insert laughing emoji cause it's no longer funny. 

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What really baffles me is the unbelievable level of delusion from the British government.  Either they are stupid and simplistic as fuck,  ala Trump,  or they know something we don't know.  

 

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2 hours ago, karbatal said:

What really baffles me is the unbelievable level of delusion from the British government.  Either they are stupid and simplistic as fuck,  ala Trump,  or they know something we don't know.  

 

They think they ll get a great deal and be better off in the end. Hope EU and Merkel-Macron do not allow it. Hopefully the Brits could vote the deal or the lack of deal and remain in the EU.

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It's impossible they get a great deal, unless The Powers That Be can profit from that. And with UK oriented into services and industry focusing in Central Europe, only if bigger forces think the UK is profitable can that happen. I always feel that 90% of what really happens is unknown to us. London being the center of illegal finances, maffia and oligarcs can play a big deal in terms of finances, I guess. 

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9 hours ago, karbatal said:

What really baffles me is the unbelievable level of delusion from the British government.  Either they are stupid and simplistic as fuck,  ala Trump,  or they know something we don't know.  

 

The Tory party care about the Tory party. Full stop. Above country, above people, above economy. The only reason we are in this mess is because Cameron, not seeing the effect of globalization looming in the distance, gambled on the 'people' being bright enough to shut up the (powerful) Euro sceptics in his own party for good by having a referendum. He took that foolish gamble and lost. They won, and they're now in charge and pulling the strings. They don't want a single market, they don't want a customs union. The powerful and the rich want to play by WTO rules. That is what will make them richer, that is what will turn the UK into a tax haven for the rich and a low wage shit economy for the rest. . The media conglomerates are also cashing a huge paycheck with this madness. Readership of The Daily Mail and its ilk has never been higher. Right wing media bias (including the BBC) is at an alarmingly dangerous level, where to say a single bad word against Brexit or Theresa May's role in it has you labelled a "traitor" and "saboteur".

These fucking IDIOTS who you see during every news program beating their chests about how they've voted Labour for 40 years but this time they're "voting for Theresa May cause she's the only one who'll take us out of Europe" or "I don't like the look of that Jeremy Corbyn" .... these people who didn't give a passing thought to Europe until it started being beaten daily into their feral little xenophobic minds that the "immigrants" are stealing their jobs, that every law in the country is dictated by Brussels, that it's the "Left Wing Elite" who are out of touch and causing economic inequality in their shithole industrial towns that were decimated by the Tories under Thatcher, that turned a once great manufacturing country into a nation of telesales and customer service workers.

And by the time people wake up and realise what they've done? Well... TOO LATE.

So, for the General Election next month - if you're in England or Wales then vote for WHOEVER is closest in numbers to the leading Tory candidate in an effort to get them out. If you're in Scotland, vote SNP and help speed up the process of getting us away from the hellhole rUk is turning into. If you're in N Ireland, then for fucks sake, is it any more obvious that rUK could not give a shit about you? Become one country again and grow a pair. Everyone else, spare a thought for those that actually DIDN'T take the country in this direction.

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