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15 hours ago, BrendanT1993 said:

Love her!!!!!

I might well understand how she feels about Theresa May's hard Brexit. After all it looks as if it will have profound negative repercussions on both sides of a border the significance of which has diminished over the years.

But the conversations, need to be calmer and less aggressive, on all sides. Neither side has the monopoly on the use of language which alienates those with a different vision. Talk of "holding your nose" and "crocodiles" do the opposite of providing conditions whereby each can sit around a table and work towards getting this place functioning. "This place", now means all parts of this island, though immediate attention should be focused on avoiding Direct Rule.

I do anticipate that as a result of the Assembly election, the case is now stronger for a border poll. However, the EU Referendum should teach us to prepare the electorate better by providing them with verifiable economic information and visions as what a united Ireland would look like, from both Republican and Loyalist perspectives.

 

 

Totally agree :thumbsup: 

Although for sheer entertainment value she's objectively funny addressing May with a "stick it where the sun doesn't shine" :rotfl: 

Look how May is ready to minimise the consequences of having a EU border built

As ready as she is to shut up Sturgeon when she legitimately brings up the issue of a second referendum

We are working closely with the devolved administrations my ass

So disrespectful and patronising

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3 hours ago, Kim said:

The FACE on her at 0:14 :rotfl: To put this into context, just before PMQs started, the chancellor backtracked on national insurance changes made only a week ago in the budget. A humiliating climb-down that the opposition should have grabbed with both hands. Bumbling Jeremy, with no time to re-draw his questions and his inability to think on his feet made a mess of PMQs again; at one point standing up making a point and sitting down again FORGETTING to actually ask a question, which May ran with to make him look a fool again. At the end of his questions she sat down and threw her head back laughing with relief that she'd had it easy again. Then with that one line, Robertson gets her and her face tells the whole story. Her demeanour always changes when she's facing him. 

 

 

:rotfl:  :rotfl: 

 

Someone like Mr Robertson should lead the Labour Party I guess, such a pity. I listened to what Corbyn said and I agree with the stuff he says but he looks and sounds like my late grandfather talking about something at 90. I think he is honest but a very ineffective communicator, the parts where he makes himself prone to being laughed at are the most painful to watch

When he stands up to make a point rather than asking the question was priceless, it's funny but felt bad about that prompting May's easy "the right hon gentleman perhaps hasn't got the hang of it yet" or something along those lines, with her huge Cruella Devil grin

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4 hours ago, elijah said:

Nicola is great. Hopefully her actions would lead to the following: 1) Scotland staying within UK; 2) UK staying within EU.

 

Sadly I think the dice is cast and the UK is out and we all stand to lose from it. The UK is a part of Europe, geographically and historically, since forever. Though I think that the 52% of British voters who said no to the EU should be respected in their choice.

I just wish those British politicians, first and foremost those that were/are pro Brexit of course, behaved a little bit more seriously about it and in a respectful manner to all parties involved, both domestically and internationally. I also think Scotland will likely end up having that second referendum and then it will really be the break up of two Unions. I just hope all of this is not going to have devastating effects on the Irish issue, a particularly sensitive one

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4 hours ago, Kim said:

The FACE on her at 0:14 :rotfl: To put this into context, just before PMQs started, the chancellor backtracked on national insurance changes made only a week ago in the budget. A humiliating climb-down that the opposition should have grabbed with both hands. Bumbling Jeremy, with no time to re-draw his questions and his inability to think on his feet made a mess of PMQs again; at one point standing up making a point and sitting down again FORGETTING to actually ask a question, which May ran with to make him look a fool again. At the end of his questions she sat down and threw her head back laughing with relief that she'd had it easy again. Then with that one line, Robertson gets her and her face tells the whole story. Her demeanour always changes when she's facing him. 

Jeremy Corbyn has to be replaced as leader.  He is not strong enough or can handle the likes of Teresa May.  She has a field day with him and sits there laughing like a cartoon villain.  People have to fight fire with fire and there needs to be strong leaders who are not afraid to go in hard and don't take a backward step.  In this political climate today,  it is not only needed but essential. 

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http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/lord-heseltine-letter-theresa-may-brexit-sacking_uk_58cadfbee4b00705db4d6fb8

Lord Heseltine Writes Classy And Withering Rebuke To Theresa May After His Brexit Sacking

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Conservative former Cabinet minister Lord Heseltine has penned a polite but stinging rebuke to Theresa May after he was sacked as a Government adviser for rebelling over Brexit - reminding the PM she was once pro-EU too. The 83-year-old ex-deputy Prime Minister was last week among 13 Conservative peers who voted to give Parliament final approval on the deal the UK secures when quitting the bloc.

The amendment was stripped out of the ‘Brexit Bill’ when it returned to MPs and has not affected the legislation that paves the way for Article 50 to be triggered by the end of the month.

Lord Heseltine, who has long been avowedly pro-EU, has now written to the Prime Minister to make plain he “disagrees” with the sacking. And in the killer final line, the peer reminds the PM that she too campaigned to Remain in the EU last year: “The simple fact is you have changed your mind ... I have not.”

 

Here’s the key passage of the letter:

 

“You say in your letter I will understand the necessity to end that relationship. Here we disagree. In the referendum campaign it was recognised that so deeply held and so divided were the views on both sides that members of the Cabinet and other ministers were free to argue and vote against the government’s European policy without sanction.

“In my speech I made clear that my vote neither held up nor denied your ability to trigger Article 50. Indeed the urgency by which we heard so much in the time seems in the event to be diminished. My only vote was designed to give the House of Commons a second chance to enshrine in law a commitment you yourself had already given to allow Parliament a vote on any Brexit deal. The Commons declined the advice of the Lords and most Peers accepted the position.

“I have repeatedly said you have every right to end my relationship with the government. The simple fact is you have changed your mind since the excellent speech you made in the Referendum campaign arguing we should remain in the European Union. I have not.” 

 

 

The peer was asked to help the Government with plans to restore deprived estates under David Cameron and he also worked with George Osborne on plans for east London. He advised on plans for a Swansea city deal and has been working with the Department for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy. During the debate, Lord Heseltine said Parliament should be “the ultimate custodian of our national sovereignty”, suggesting MPs should get a veto on Brexit. He said: 

 

“I do not accept that the mandate for Brexit runs for all time and in all circumstances.

“The 48 per cent have the same right to be heard as those who voted for Brexit.”

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ITV Robert Peston interviewing Lord Heseltine

Heseltine talked about Foreign Secretarty Boris JO and expressed criticism over the current Tory approach

 

What do you make of Boris Johnson's claim that no Brexit deal would be a perfectly ok outcome for the British economy, do you agree?

Well, that's rubbish isn't it? Boris has turned the art of political communication into a science in which waffle, charm, delay, anything to actually stop answering questions. He does it magnificently   :rotfl: 

 

Do you think you will be able to change people's minds on Brexit?

Not me dear boy, events I'm afraid will

Fact of the matter is that the consequences have been completely masked which is not surprising, two things: devaluation always has produced, historically, a short term boost, and I remember what the Tory party, which I am a proud member of, said about devaluation, they regarded it as an economic disaster for this country which unleashed inflation which in turn underrode the advantages of the devaluation 

And the second thing that has happened and that it's almost unbelievable to me is that we have been sustained by consumers drawing down their savings, it's like 2008 all over again

We are looking at a situation where there is huge pressure from the Brexiteers for government to start spending more money, the Tories rightly said we have to cut public expenditure but now the Brexiteers want to bring it up again, they want to increase the national debt which I thought we were in the business of not doing and we are actually in a situation where the public are blowing their savings on consumption and that is exactly what we shouldn't be doing

 

 

03:20 onwards

 

 

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1 hour ago, XXL said:

The UK is a part of Europe, geographically and historically, since forever. Though I think that the 52% of British voters who said no to the EU should be respected in their choice.

Most of the people who voted in favor of this absurd charade have voted with the sole intent of kicking all immigrants out. Most of the people who voted in favor happily swallowed lies after lie after lie without doing their homework on what the EU might have provided in their area. See Cornwall now regretting their decision. The level of disrespect shown by those who voted for Brexit against any immigrant living in the UK is appalling. That in my books grant them zero respect.

They can all fuck off and sink down their tax haven toilet doing deals with Trump America.

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Remember Madonna five years ago in Paris? Not paraphrasing here but roughly when things seem to go to shit, people get scared, become intolerant and what do they do? They fucking blame others over their own problems. That's exactly what Brexit is to most of the Brits who voted in favor to leave the EU, an excuse to blame others for their own utterly disgusting demented filthy ignorance.

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37 minutes ago, pjcowley said:

Most of the people who voted in favor of this absurd charade have voted with the sole intent of kicking all immigrants out. Most of the people who voted in favor happily swallowed lies after lie after lie without doing their homework on what the EU might have provided in their area. See Cornwall now regretting their decision. The level of disrespect shown by those who voted for Brexit against any immigrant living in the UK is appalling. That in my books grant them zero respect.

They can all fuck off and sink down their tax haven toilet doing deals with Trump America.

 

Oh I agree with that, immigration, xenophobia, fear mongering over "they are taking our jobs" played a huge part. Never mind the UK not only kept the Pound and that's why they haven't sunk nearly as low as other EU countries in the aftermath of 2008-2009 (fits right in with the attitude of selective choice, cherrypicking etc)  and that they have taken a fraction of the people that were allowed into France, Italy, Spain, Greece or Germany when you think about the refugee crisis

I was just saying that a referendum was allowed to go ahead and on such a delicate constitutional issue that would have HAD international repercussions in the first place, the thing is that it was allowed to take place to solve an internal party politics issue and only granted by Cameron back in 2013 when he saw that UKIP might have eroded votes from the Tory Party, it was all a gamble from the start. 

What I find more annoying than a Brit being averse to the EU is the attitude of those politicians in dealing with this proposed choice, before and after the outcome

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19 hours ago, XXL said:

I listened to what Corbyn said and I agree with the stuff he says but he looks and sounds like my late grandfather talking about something at 90. I think he is honest but a very ineffective communicator, the parts where he makes himself prone to being laughed at are the most painful to watch

When he stands up to make a point rather than asking the question was priceless, it's funny but felt bad about that prompting May's easy "the right hon gentleman perhaps hasn't got the hang of it yet" or something along those lines, with her huge Cruella Devil grin

Yes, I don't necessarily disagree with what he says most of the time, unfortunately a great majority of his OWN parliamentary party does though and his rhetoric ends up sounding hollow. He's not a great communicator or debater and that is unfortunately a vital part of being opposition leader. He really should have hammered the Tories on that u-turn, and on the burgeoning electoral fraud expenses scandal, and on Davis' admittance that there is no plan B if the Brexit negotiations in Europe result in no consensus. Instead, he makes the news for bumbling again.

18 hours ago, jazzyjan said:

Jeremy Corbyn has to be replaced as leader.  He is not strong enough or can handle the likes of Teresa May.  She has a field day with him and sits there laughing like a cartoon villain.  People have to fight fire with fire and there needs to be strong leaders who are not afraid to go in hard and don't take a backward step.  In this political climate today,  it is not only needed but essential. 

Totally. There's already been an attempt to oust him with a leadership contest and unfortunately he got the most votes from Labour party members nationwide (that's how Labour decide their leader)... the second time he's won such a vote, so there's no chance of him going unless there's a full on revolt in the backbenches that prevent him from even being nominated in the first place and that would just tear the Labour party apart and make it even more un-electable than it already is. SO... the Tories are basically untouchable for the forseeable.

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6 hours ago, Kim said:

Yes, I don't necessarily disagree with what he says most of the time, unfortunately a great majority of his OWN parliamentary party does though and his rhetoric ends up sounding hollow. He's not a great communicator or debater and that is unfortunately a vital part of being opposition leader. He really should have hammered the Tories on that u-turn, and on the burgeoning electoral fraud expenses scandal, and on Davis' admittance that there is no plan B if the Brexit negotiations in Europe result in no consensus. Instead, he makes the news for bumbling again.

 

Totally

The irony is that the only sane British politicians at the moment appear to be from one of the nations comprising the Union that won't accept the gambling away of the country's future in pursuit of petty little personal agendas. It would really be wonderful if Labour had someone like Mr Robertson who could own Theresa May the way he does rather than Corbyn's tripping and falling in his own speeches

What amazes me are the words of Old Guard Thatcherites such as Kenneth Clark and Lord Heseltine who have savaged their own party gimmicks and looking at history you wouldn't have thought you could get much worse than Thatcher /Reagan era politics but it appears the current Tory establishment has surpassed their predecessors. Meanwhile David Cameron must be enjoying the advance on his next book, tragic times we live in

 

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-labour-party-policy-energy-prices-tarrifs-spiral-rises-tackle-tory-spring-conference-a7635161.html

Theresa May steals Labour policy by vowing to tackle spiraling energy prices

Prime Minister echoes Ed Miliband by admitting ‘the market is not working as it should’ – hinting at a cap to be announced soon

 

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Theresa May has stolen Labour clothes by vowing to act on sky-high energy prices, saying: “It is clear to me – and to anyone who looks at it – that the market is not working as it should.” In a speech to the party faithful in Cardiff, the Prime Minister said prices had soared by 158 per cent over the last 15 years, with the poorest hit by the highest tariffs.

“Our party did not end the unjust and inefficient monopolies of the old nationalised energy corporations only to replace them with a system that traps the poorest customers on the worst deals,” she said.

Ms May did not set out how her crackdown would work, but the pledge revived memories of Ed Miliband’s plans to intervene in the energy market – condemned by the Tories at the time.

 

Addressing the Conservative Spring Forum, the Prime Minister also sharpened her attack on the SNP’s determination to stage a second Scottish independence referendum.

“Three years ago they campaigned for a result that would have taken Scotland out of the EU altogether,” she said. “They are happy to see power rest in Brussels. But if those powers come back to London, they want them given to Edinburgh – so that they can try to give them back to Brussels.   :manson:  :manson:  

“And now they apparently say that an independent Scotland would no longer seek to become a member of the EU after a vote for separation. It is muddle on muddle.”

 

 

 

 

 

:rotfl:  :rotfl:

 

 

We are now the party of a new centre ground of British politics. Rejecting the extremes of Labour's socialist Left, UKIP's libertarian Right and the divisive and obsessive nationalisms of Plaid Cymru and the SNP

 

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The markets NEVER worked as they should.  

Stupid CUNTS always repeating history and making people poorer.  

 

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I´m afraid it´s quite like that, or at least is what a lot of people think about it in the continent.

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Alliance Leader Naomi Long has described as "surreal" the Prime Minister's plans to visit Northern Ireland but not get involved in ongoing talks designed to restore powersharing.

Theresa May will visit Northern Ireland ahead of the triggering of Article 50, which will start the formal process of removing the UK from the EU. However, Mrs Long said it is almost unbelievable she would do so during the current devolution crisis and seek to remain outside of the ongoing talks.

"Brexit is without doubt the biggest political, economic and social challenge to face Europe and the UK in a generation. It has also divided the UK deeply in terms not only of support for Brexit, but also the challenges it presents in each region.

"The Prime Minister ought therefore to seek to discuss the matter with the devolved regions and be sensitive in seeking to represent their concerns, however, this whistle stop tour, far from demonstrating a willingness to engage and listen, seems to typify the lack of sensitivity to the particular challenges facing Northern Ireland, not least by the collapse of devolution.

"It is quite surreal to think Theresa May would visit Northern Ireland at a time when the very future of powersharing hangs in the balance, yet not feel compelled to actively participate in the current talks process. It suggests a Prime Minister who is either oblivious to the perilous state of devolution or simply doesn't care.

"At what is a critical time in the negotiations and in the Brexit process, I think it is important the Prime Minister considers carefully the message such non-engagement will send to the people of Northern Ireland regarding the importance of devolution and Northern Ireland's interests to her Government. Otherwise, what is intended to reassure people of her interest could spectacularly backfire."

 

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Why doesn't this demented old witch just LISTEN to what the devolved parliaments are asking for? Is she seriously considering having a hard border in Ireland where right now you can just walk from one side to the other like on an afternoon stroll? And if she doesn't, then that means Scotland/England could have the same soft border. The countries that didn't vote for Brexit want to remain in the single market if not the EU. She should respect that and put that option on the table. Simple.

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wow, that march in London was really crowded. Maybe in UK it's lived otherwise, but for me it seems those are a "silent majority", they are barely in the news the pro-EU british people. 

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pro-EU Brits are silenced by filthy Murdoch-dictated British media...

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26 minutes ago, pjcowley said:

 

This makes me so happy!

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4 hours ago, pjcowley said:

 

I love this. Uk belongs to Europe. Brexit still doesn't make any sense to me after all these months.

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17 minutes ago, Rebel Saviour said:

I love this. Uk belongs to Europe. Brexit still doesn't make any sense to me after all these months.

I know. There is so much in British politics not making sense - a demented fascist bitch bossing everyone around when she hasn't even been elected... British citizens living abroad for more than 15 years denied the right to vote... Scaremongering xenophobic lies propelled Brexit when the UK really had it easy compared to other EU members.

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Just now, pjcowley said:

 

finally!!!

 

I saw this on the news here, but they didn´t show any big images to see if there were a lot of peole.Anyways, I think it´s good that they are showing it

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http://www.sinnfein.ie/contents/44000

What does this mean for us, citizens who voted for change and resolution.

The blame game will start, propaganda will proliferate, spin will be rife, budgets will not be set, people in the voluntary sector will lose their jobs and we'll be unrepresented during Brexit talks.

Above all, we down from the Hill, demand and expect honesty, not lies from our politicians.

We don't want another election, we don't want direct rule: we demand representation at a standard expected by citizens of other devolved governments!

It's just not good enough!

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Article 50 has been triggered by an Unelected PM from a govt none of us voted for, who foolishly started the process to force us out of the EU against our will with absolutely no regard for the people of Northern Ireland, the young, the poor, the disabled, the environment or EU citizens whom have built their lives here and contribute to our society.

This won't be a Brexit for the British people, this will be a Brexit for the Conservative party and their donors.

Get organised. Viva la revolution 

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31 minutes ago, BrendanT1993 said:

Article 50 has been triggered by an Unelected PM from a govt none of us voted for, who foolishly started the process to force us out of the EU against our will with absolutely no regard for the people of Northern Ireland, the young, the poor, the disabled, the environment or EU citizens whom have built their lives here and contribute to our society.

This won't be a Brexit for the British people, this will be a Brexit for the Conservative party and their donors.

Get organised. Viva la revolution 

I stand with you - I am definitely going to be fucked negatively affected by this totally selfish foolish decision.

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