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Brexit: EU nationals express panic after Government changes residency rules

'Despite having completed my undergraduate and PhD studies in Scotland, I won't have any rights to stay in the country and pay my 'debt' in taxes to the British society'

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EU citizens living in the UK have expressed panic and confusion after it emerged new regulations brought in by the Government allow the Home Office to remove some of them from the country if they do not have a comprehensive sickness insurance (CSI).

A briefing published by a barrister revealed that the Home Office acquired controversial new enforcement powers against EU citizens from 1 February.

It warns EU citizens who are not considered to have a "right of residence", including some students and spouses of UK citizens, could be deported or refused entry back into the UK if they leave if they don't have CSI.

The majority of EU nationals living in the UK are entitled to use the NHS, meaning many do not have the suddenly all-important insurance.

The briefing provoked a wave of panic from European nationals residing in the UK. Dozens of people posted comments on a link to the article shared on a Facebook page for the campaign group the 3 Million.

“I’m scared," one person said simply, while another expressed confusion, saying: “It raises more questions than answers."

Among those expressing concern were a number of European mature students studying in the UK, as well as spouses of British citizens who are not in work — all of whom are at risk of being removed from the country under the new regulations.

Speaking to The Independent, Sylvia Gawron, a Polish national who studied at Dundee University and has just finished a PhD, said: “Throughout my time as a student I was not aware of the requirement for CSI. I've just been told to go and register with the nearest GP by the university. 

“Despite having completed my undergraduate and PhD studies in Scotland, I won't have any rights to stay in the country and pay my 'debt' in taxes to the British society for allowing me to gain my education here.

“I feel like EU citizens are now treated as a second class citizens   nobody cares about our rights, our families and those who depend on us. We have been left in limbo wondering what is going to happen to our futures here.”

And Andrea Blendl, a German PhD student in Scotland, said: “Reading through the briefing document this morning was a huge shock. I have no CSI, so the Home Office would consider me not to have a right of residence.

"I was never made aware of the CSI requirement and my university could not give me any guidance, either. 

“According to the briefing document, if I leave and re-enter the UK, I might commit a criminal offence against the Immigration Act.

"This issue is particularly concerning for me, as I am supposed to travel to Sweden for a workshop on Wednesday and obviously don’t want to commit a crime upon my return to the UK. I find this situation very scary.”

The barrister who wrote the briefing, Colin Yeo of Garden Court Chambers in London, said he believed the changes would not have as serious an impact as feared, but that the Home Office was being “careless” in granting itself such powers in the updated regulations.

He accused the Home Office of causing “unnecessary panic” to EU citizens. He told The Independent: “According to the new regulations, if you are perfectly self-sufficient in the UK and you’re not claiming benefits or anything like that, but you don’t have comprehensive sickness insurance, you don’t have a right of residence and therefore you could be removed.  “I don’t actually think the Home Office is going to enforce this against say, the French wife of a British citizen. I think they’re using it against people they don’t like, like Polish rough sleepers.

“The position of a Polish homeless person who hasn’t committed any criminal offences or claimed public funds is exactly the same as the wife of a British banker but doesn’t have CSI, according to the regulations. They’re both equally removable as far as the Home Office is concerned.

“I think they’ve drawn it up without really realising the power they’ve granted themselves and the way that it’s going to make people feel, because this is going to make people feel very insecure.”

Nicolas Hatton, founder of the 3 Million, told The Independent the unannounced changes and the wave of anxiety that had followed was a “dangerous” sign about the Government's approach to the rights of EU citizens.

“The recent changes that have been highlighted are a sign of the continued bureaucracy surrounding EU citizens’ rights in the UK with the approach of Brexit,” Mr Hatton said.

“We’re not seeing a change in strategy or in the Home Office’s approach. The changes to regulations on 1 February fit into the same vein as what has happened in the last seven years. It’s very dangerous.

“The anxiety levels among EU citizens are really high. It’s been going on for too long. Some people are really struggling to cope with the situation. That’s why the reaction to these changes is so strong. People have been living through this for eight months now.

“Theresa May has got no credibility among EU citizens, because she’s using us as bargaining chips and she’s not considering the human life behind the numbers. She’s just seeing three million people as one big number with which she can negotiate Brexit.”

It comes amid reports that Ms May is to end rights given to EU nationals under freedom of movement rules when she triggers Article 50 next month, which would establish a “cut-off date” of around 15 March after which EU citizens would not be entitled to live in the UK permanently.

It is unclear if the Government’s plan would be a breach of the EU treaties that guarantee freedom of movement.

Under the plan, the 3.6 million EU citizens who are already in Britain and others who come before that date would have their rights protected — providing the EU agreed to the same status for UK citizens living in the EU.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/brexit-latest-eu-national-right-to-live-uk-theresa-may-panic-a7602191.html

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On 26/2/2017 at 2:21 PM, pjcowley said:

Thing is... not all of the adorable British people want to be out because during that fucking referendum NOT a majority of British citizens were granted right to vote, and not all of them did cast their vote. Look at the numbers. The "the will of British people" is a fat stinky gigantic LIE fed by a bunch of irresponsible individuals, who are stuck on a retrograde British Empire idea because that's what they believe they can get the country back to with their ill-informed ignorant slogans.

Oh and the hatred the brexiter cunts have propelled, mostly was and continue to be addressed against Europeans.

true.But, whereas in the US, for example, we see people against trump all the time, I don´t remember seeing this from these people that are against the brexit.any huge march? any concert? any something?

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Actually @promise to try there have been big marches and protests after the result, and there are further major ones being planned that will take place in less than a month. Now, whether these have been broadcasted or are going to be shown by the BBC or ITV or Channel 4 or any major international news broadcasting channel, that is a different story and probably the reason why it may seem to an external eye that those against Brexit are less vocal than people against Trump for example. Best not to compare two different SHIT situations from either side of the Atlantic. After all, what have non-Trump supporters achieved so far?

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And sometimes you can't do nothing. 

It's like that

Unless some spark ignites the whole gunpowder, you have to sit down and wait. 

Isn't it happening the same in Spain now? 

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3 hours ago, pjcowley said:

Actually @promise to try there have been big marches and protests after the result, and there are further major ones being planned that will take place in less than a month. Now, whether these have been broadcasted or are going to be shown by the BBC or ITV or Channel 4 or any major international news broadcasting channel, that is a different story and probably the reason why it may seem to an external eye that those against Brexit are less vocal than people against Trump for example. Best not to compare two different SHIT situations from either side of the Atlantic. After all, what have non-Trump supporters achieved so far?

nothing, and a lot: all the world knows that Trump is not loved by all the USA, that half of the voters hate him.On the other hand, I don´t know what do a lot of people, famous british people think about bthe brexit. And I remember knowing if they wanted scotland to stay with them or not.

Of course it may be related with the media,but I think we, EU, would be really happy about marches and a lot of actions that show us that a lot of people are against the brexit in the US. Of course, we have seen that, but not in the level of the xcottish referendum or again, the anti trump movements

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37 minutes ago, karbatal said:

And sometimes you can't do nothing. 

It's like that

Unless some spark ignites the whole gunpowder, you have to sit down and wait. 

Isn't it happening the same in Spain now? 

spain has changed a lot!people talking about the monarchy on the TV!!! my father had a trial in the 80s for saying things against the monarchy! things that everybodys is saying now!!

a big new political party!

people talking freely about GAL in the parliament!

Catalunya trying to become independet without using weapons!

The powers of the spanish state working against that, but people saying feely that this is happening!

a huge political party like the PSOE having huge internal problems to see which road to follow, but this time, instead of having a puppet like other times, there is a man that can change the party, and has a lot of supporters!

The pp seems to be very calmed...because they won!! the if they can´t govern the next time, all hell will brake loose! in fact, there have been a few problems between the old school ones and the younger generations...

 

so yes, spain has changed

 

 

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@promise to try Plenty goes unreported by media corporations such as the BBC, biggest Tory-agenda pushing twat of them all. I think the action of a single woman like Gina Miller for example, speaks louder than any demonstration concert which usually leads to nothing afterwards (see the womensmarch). Check her out, and check all the shtick she got for what she did in view of her Brexit challenge, including death threats. Plenty of info you can find online of demonstrations and actions taken to make sense of the non-sense caused by each and every single person who advocated for and voted for Brexit. Remainers are not silent, currently not being represented by anyone loud and strong enough to shut that fucking horrid ugly witch and her equally horrid chums up, but this whole Brexit saga ain't over.

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1 hour ago, pjcowley said:

@promise to try Plenty goes unreported by media corporations such as the BBC, biggest Tory-agenda pushing twat of them all. I think the action of a single woman like Gina Miller for example, speaks louder than any demonstration concert which usually leads to nothing afterwards (see the womensmarch). Check her out, and check all the shtick she got for what she did in view of her Brexit challenge, including death threats. Plenty of info you can find online of demonstrations and actions taken to make sense of the non-sense caused by each and every single person who advocated for and voted for Brexit. Remainers are not silent, currently not being represented by anyone loud and strong enough to shut that fucking horrid ugly witch and her equally horrid chums up, but this whole Brexit saga ain't over.

Don´t get me wrong, I´m sure that millions of britons are against the brexit, but we don´t see them in the media as much as we used to when the scottish thing. And I think the famous people against the brexit should use their fame to make this clear.Because sometimes is very easy to forget it, and see the UK except scotland as a country that don´t like us, but wants to have the same rights that we have in our own countries

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5 minutes ago, promise to try said:

Don´t get me wrong, I´m sure that millions of britons are against the brexit, but we don´t see them in the media as much as we used to when the scottish thing. And I think the famous people against the brexit should use their fame to make this clear.Because sometimes is very easy to forget it, and see the UK except scotland as a country that don´t like us, but wants to have the same rights that we have in our own countries

You know what?

Perhaps people in Europe, if they are against the UK leaving the EU maybe THEY should start raising their voice too at this point, how about that? Joined forces, united against the Brexit catastrophe with the Leavers in the UK.

And here is someone famous who is not afraid to say what he means:

 

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I have read a lot about people being angry and protesting against Brexit.  Unfortunately some of the commentary is the usual calling them " elite liberals"  etc but that is what you get from the Murdoch style press that seems to have too much say in the World.  Anti Brexit and Anti Trump sentiment is becoming known and discussed more each day as people are speaking out more.  

It is also a scary sign of the times when John Major and George Bush are talking sense as they correctly expose Teresa May and Trump's policies and show some moral and ethical strength. .  Shows just how right wing and revolting the current ideology and governments are. 

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1 hour ago, pjcowley said:

You know what?

Perhaps people in Europe, if they are against the UK leaving the EU maybe THEY should start raising their voice too at this point, how about that? Joined forces, united against the Brexit catastrophe with the Leavers in the UK.

And here is someone famous who is not afraid to say what he means:

 

hopefully they will do something! but I doubt it.I may br wrong, but usually this type of things start in the uk...and the continent´s fampus people is not as famous as the ones in the UK, well, probabvly the football players are, but we know most of them don´t have half a brain

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43 minutes ago, jazzyjan said:

I have read a lot about people being angry and protesting against Brexit.  Unfortunately some of the commentary is the usual calling them " elite liberals"  etc but that is what you get from the Murdoch style press that seems to have too much say in the World.  Anti Brexit and Anti Trump sentiment is becoming known and discussed more each day as people are speaking out more.  

It is also a scary sign of the times when John Major and George Bush are talking sense as they correctly expose Teresa May and Trump's policies and show some moral and ethical strength. .  Shows just how right wing and revolting the current ideology and governments are

Absolutely! Well said, thank you :clap:

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It serves you right, bunch of imbeciles. Should've done your own independent research instead of trusting the bogus words of a group of ruthless, divisive, racist LIARS like those Leave-campaigner assholes:

Cornwall wanted guarantees it wouldn't lose £60m EU funding after Brexit, but the Government turned it down

'The current process forces Cornwall to compete for investment with more affluent places such as London, Birmingham, Bristol and the South East'

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The Government heard Cornwall's plea for tens of millions of pounds to replace EU economic investment after Brexit—and turned it down.

Last year the county sought "urgent confirmation" that the £60m funding it received annually from Europe would not be lost when the UK departs the EU, as the council said it had been assured by Leave campaigners.

The Department for Communities and Local Government (DCLG) has awarded the region £18m in its latest round of "growth deal" investment. Julian German, Cornwall Council's member for economy, said it fell "far short" of what was needed despite an "ambitious bid for funding".

The area's local enterprise partnership (LEP), a joint venture between the council and industry, "will be forced to reduce the investment it was hoping to make in Cornish businesses," Mr German added.

European money has helped develop infrastructure, universities and broadband internet in the county. From 2007 to 2013, it received €654m for the projects.

Cornwall, which has a population of just 530,000 people, voted resoundingly to leave the EU, with an above-average 56.52 per cent opting for Leave compared to 43.48 per cent voting for Remain.

"Whatever your views on the referendum, we are about to go off a cliff," Labour councillor Tim Dwelly told i.

Mr German added: "The current process forces Cornwall to compete for investment with more affluent places such as London, Birmingham, Bristol and the South East. It takes no account of our low earnings, poverty and rurality."

A DCLG spokesman said: "This Government has backed Cornwall with major powers and resources in the first devolution deal for a county.

"Each bid for growth funding was individually assessed against a range of criteria, including the LEPs’ strategy for local growth, the strength of private sector partnerships and investment, and also past delivery record.

"There was a great amount of interest and as a result the fund was more than three times over-subscribed, with £5.9bn-worth of bids submitted."

Cornwall and the Scilly Isles' award of £18.03m was part of £191m handed out across the south-west. Dorset received £19.46m and Gloucestershire £29.13m.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/cornwall-lose-eu-funding-uk-government-replace-brexit-latest-dclg-request-down-julian-german-a7603921.html

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Problem with the EU is that their communication policy is so stupid that regular people don't know what the Union has done for them these past decades.  

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19 hours ago, jazzyjan said:

 

It is also a scary sign of the times when John Major and George Bush are talking sense as they correctly expose Teresa May and Trump's policies and show some moral and ethical strength. .  Shows just how right wing and revolting the current ideology and governments are. 

 

I think it's quite the opposite. It's a clear sign of how much the democrats changed their policies and agenda since the mid 90's closer to the traditional republican party. If we analyse the past 10 years we can clearly see a pattern here where the democrats basically did the same or intensified the republican agenda on foreign affairs. No wonder that now Bush is on the same boat as Obama.

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Just now, Nessie said:

 

I think it's quite the opposite. It's a clear sign of how much the democrats changed their policies and agenda since the mid 90's closer to the traditional republican party. If we analyse the past 10 years we can clearly see a pattern here where the democrats basically did the same or intensified the republican agenda on foreign affairs. No wonder that now Bush is on the same boat as Obama.

Agree with you but I think it is both scenarios because the right have definitely become more right wing.  Was having this discussion with my brother today.  I know it is a different country but the same pattern is happening world wide. I was saying that Malcolm Fraser ( once our PM and leader of the conservative government ) now seems moderate when we look back  but in reality the conservatives today have become MORE right wing thus making him look moderate.  It is very frightening how easily extreme right ideology has become the normal in politics worldwide.  The opposition parties need to wake up, take their blinkers off and get back to what they stand for, instead of becoming a less dangerous version of the government. 

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11 minutes ago, jazzyjan said:

Agree with you but I think it is both scenarios because the right have definitely become more right wing.  Was having this discussion with my brother today.  I know it is a different country but the same pattern is happening world wide. I was saying that Malcolm Fraser ( once our PM and leader of the conservative government ) now seems moderate when we look back  but in reality the conservatives today have become MORE right wing thus making him look moderate.  It is very frightening how easily extreme right ideology has become the normal in politics worldwide.  The opposition parties need to wake up, take their blinkers off and get back to what they stand for, instead of becoming a less dangerous version of the government. 

I absolutely agree with you. The world is becoming overall more extremist in both left and right wings, something we have not seen since the 1930's. The once opposing traditional left and right parties are now weaker and in many ways undistinguished, giving space to really powerful far-left or far-right ideologies. Dangerous times lies ahead when the middle ground is blurrier and the current opposing parties are so devoid of dialogue.

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2 minutes ago, Nessie said:

I absolutely agree with you. The world is becoming overall more extremist in both left and right wings, something we have not seen since the 1930's. The once opposing traditional left and right parties are now weaker and in many ways undistinguished, giving space to really powerful far-left or far-right ideologies. Dangerous times lies ahead when the middle ground is blurrier and the current opposing parties are so devoid of dialogue.

Yes.  It is very frightening.  While the major parties are pussy footing around and being totally weak with everything they believe in, the extremes are taking over and it is happening world wide. 

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Government defeated on Brexit bill

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The government has been defeated after the House of Lords said ministers should guarantee EU nationals' right to stay in the UK after Brexit.

The vote, by 358 to 256, is the first Parliamentary defeat for the government's Brexit bill.

However, MPs will be able to remove their changes when the bill returns to the House of Commons.

Ministers say the issue is a priority but must be part of a deal protecting UK expats overseas.

The bill will give Theresa May the authority to trigger Brexit under Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty and begin official negotiations.

The amendment backed by the Lords requires the government to introduce proposals within three months of Article 50 to ensure EU citizens in the UK have the same residence rights after Brexit.

But it could be overturned when MPs, who have already backed the Brexit bill without amendments, vote on it again.

The government is expected to attempt to overturn the defeat when the legislation returns to the Commons.

The Department for Exiting the EU said: "We are disappointed the Lords have chosen to amend a bill that the Commons passed without amendment.

"The bill has a straightforward purpose - to enact the referendum result and allow the government to get on with the negotiations."

The government said its position had "repeatedly been made clear", saying it wanted to guarantee the rights of EU citizens and British nationals "as early as we can".

Ahead of the vote, the government made a last-minute attempt to persuade peers not to change the draft legislation.

Brexit Minister Lord Bridges said the government had been keen to reach an agreement with other EU nations on the issue.

However, he said, "a small number of our European counterparts" insisted there could be no discussions until the formal Brexit talks begin once Article 50 had been invoked.

But most peers wanted a unilateral move from the UK government.

Labour's shadow Brexit minister Lady Hayter said the concerns of EU nationals here and British expats living in Europe shouldn't be "traded against each other".

She added: "These people need to know now - not in two years' time or even 12 months' time. They simply can't put their lives on hold."

Seven Conservative peers voted in favour of the amendment, which was proposed by Labour with the support of the Liberal Democrats.

Among those opposing it during the sometimes heated exchanges was former Conservative cabinet minister Lord Tebbit, who said the debate seemed to focus on "nothing but the rights of foreigners".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39133400

 

 

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The House of Lords proves its worth as a revising chamber and also as a place to challenge decisions made by the Commons which can have a deleterious impact on those people who have settled here with the expectation of making the UK their home.

A strong majority.

 

 

 

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8 minutes ago, BrendanT1993 said:

The House of Lords proves its worth as a revising chamber and also as a place to challenge decisions made by the Commons which can have a deleterious impact on those people who have settled here with the expectation of making the UK their home.

A strong majority.

 

 

 

Well said, thank you.

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