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On 2/1/2019 at 12:34 AM, Barbie said:

I'm not reading all 700 posts in here hun. I'm TELLING you he's a pedophile and in hell where he belongs. PERIOD. ELECTRIC CHAIR.

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QUEEN KHIA SAID IT ! 

 

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12 hours ago, Jazzy Jan said:

Will always think that  MJ was incredibly creepy around children and find this whole "  helping children'  and surrounding himself with young boys awful and inappropriate.  Also find this whole way he always went about playing a victim and talking of the childhood he never had as a pitiful, clever and manipulative way to excuse everything.  Also interesting that when the clip shown on the documentary of him holding hands with a young boy and talking about sleep overs and innocent love of children etc,  more people were annoyed and outraged at Martin Bashir for daring to show that footage of MJ talking and holding hands with a boy then they were of MJ himself opening saying it.  Will never understand that.  He always has been portrayed as a perpetual victim to so many and always will. 

Yes! That’s my main problem too. I don’t know if any of the sexual abuse accusations are true but the sleepovers happened and all that weird behavior towards children. And honestly, that’s already a line crossed for me. That alone is just NOT right in any way. And the fact this didn’t stop after the very first accusation appeared is truly mind boggling and alarming and speaks volumes. 

Even if he was only ‘mentally challenged ‘ with this creepy fixation on children or Peter Pan complex or whatnot, it would have been reason enough to not let them near him. 

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And for the Diane Dimond/Sneddon crowd and for the sake of balance:

 

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Seems odd that he would have a weeks-long party with boys in a hotel room where there is much less privacy. Do it at his own home or easily acquired rented mansion and you don't have Paul Anka and a pesky hotel staff to worry about.

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8 hours ago, Nonoka said:

Did you even bother to read what was written here? „This stuff“ is part of a 2000+ book collection they seized, of which there were hundreds of different picture books that had nothing do with children, another dozen of books that contained adult pornography etc. Yet somehow 10 non-sexual art books that are inscribed in the US Library of Congress are „his soul“? How frightening.

@Jazzy Jan OJ’s trial was held under very different conditions, wasn‘t backed by massive investigations etc. So once again, just because person A was wrongfully aquitted, doesn‘t mean it applies to person B, that’s not how it works. But yes, I agree with you, maybe let‘s leave it at that. 
I am largely on your side re/ the sleeping in bed thing (though I do not agree with you Jackson was victimized, I still remember the myriad of headlines and TV reports that all slammed him after the broadcast). As I already told you,  my problem doesn’t lie with this, but with the huge jump from „His behavior was not appropiate“ to „He committed several sexual crimes“. 
Re/ the guilt question, we have different arguments and point of views, just like you said. Thank you though for always keeping it factual in your posts, and never resorting to name-calling or insults just because you didn’t like / agree with my arguments :thumbsup:

Exactly! 

I don't excuse the poor judgement (and the more I read about this, definitely some naivete on his part too) with that decision. Sleeping with children is not appropriate but it absolutely doesn't = sexual crimes.

Not understanding the comparisons to these other cases as the circumstances couldn't be more different in each of them. Lumping them all together just because they're alleged "sex crimes" as many in the media are doing as well is completely misguided. 

 

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With MJ set as a good example, both Kevin Spacey & Brian Singer could apply it to their case that they just merely invited their "underaged friends" for a cuddling only sleep over on their bed... they were probably naked.... their underaged friend may be able to describe my cock size/shape/color etc but it's just a sleepover and "sleeping with underaged is not a sexual crimes".

If MJ could get away with it, why the Hollywood & society are criminalizing them? :rolleyes:

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44 minutes ago, Kurt420 said:

 

Not understanding the comparisons to these other cases as the circumstances couldn't be more different in each of them. Lumping them all together just because they're alleged "sex crimes" as many in the media are doing as well is completely misguided. 

 

There's patterns in who they abuse and how money allows it to continue. 

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Saville got away with his crimes for so long and in plain sight because he was very famous, because he had connections and because swathes of people, many in positions of power, knew exactly what he was doing but did fuck all about it. He felt he was untouchable; with a huge twisted ego, just like Whacko. 

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7 hours ago, White Heat said:

For anyone who doesn't have the time or inclination to read through tedious court documents & do all the in-depth research, here is an article from someone who has done all of that. It answers some of the questions about what was seized from MJ's house, it also clears up a few misconceptions & explains how big the investigation actually was. 

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/no-child-porn-found-at-neverland-thenor-now-the_us_577fdfbce4b0f06648f4a3f8?guccounter=1

Thank you for posting! Now let's see how many people will bother to read it or rather brand it as yet another 'paedo apologist' article. Same for the videos @Kurt420 posted  :newspaper:

 

1 hour ago, horn said:

With MJ set as a good example, both Kevin Spacey & Brian Singer could apply it to their case that they just merely invited their "underaged friends" for a cuddling only sleep over on their bed... they were probably naked.... their underaged friend may be able to describe my cock size/shape/color etc but it's just a sleepover and "sleeping with underaged is not a sexual crimes".

If MJ could get away with it, why the Hollywood & society are criminalizing them? :rolleyes:

Ridiculous logic and you know it. This is not how Jackson got away, this has never been an argument during his criminal trial. He got away because there was nothing, out of the thousands of things they seized, the connections they went through, the people they interviewed etc. nothing that could underline the allegations against him. That included his 'underaged friend' Chandler getting the description of his genitalia wrong, contrary to what you continue saying.

You may not like it, but this is how the justice system works, sorry. The principle of "innocent until proven guilty" is why he 'got away'.

1 hour ago, Kim said:

Saville got away with his crimes for so long and in plain sight because he was very famous, because he had connections and because swathes of people, many in positions of power, knew exactly what he was doing but did fuck all about it. He felt he was untouchable; with a huge twisted ego, just like Whacko. 

You also left out the minor detail that Saville was able to keep off police investigations for decades, therefore always able to hide away any evidence for his crimes. Apparently, powerful people and lots of fame didn't save 'Whacko' from having two massive police investigations launched on him and being put under surveillance by the FBI (who, for some weird reason, never caught 'Whacko' committing his many crimes). But that's just a minor difference, I guess.

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He did it

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12 hours ago, White Heat said:

For anyone who doesn't have the time or inclination to read through tedious court documents & do all the in-depth research, here is an article from someone who has done all of that. It answers some of the questions about what was seized from MJ's house, it also clears up a few misconceptions & explains how big the investigation actually was. 

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/no-child-porn-found-at-neverland-thenor-now-the_us_577fdfbce4b0f06648f4a3f8?guccounter=1

It's counterintuitive that the only porn they found in the 2003 raid of Neverland was legal adult hetero porn (some dating back to the early 90s). Even one of the titles was Over 50. They also had 16 hard drives, which showed he'd logged onto legal adult sites using the moniker "Dr Black" or "Marcel Jackson".

Where's the child porn, or at least homo stuff? No self made videos with the kids and photos?

There was an article from my local news the other week saying a recently release pedophile had accessed child porn on the FIRST day of his release!

This doesn't mean he didn't do anything with those kids that slept in his bed - but what you've got in your bedside drawer and computer can tell you a lot about a person.

 

 

 

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When will this documentary air on HBO? 

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17 hours ago, Lolo said:

When will this documentary air on HBO? 

I don't think a firm date has been set. All the info I find just says it's to air sometime in the Spring.

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18 hours ago, Suedey said:

He did it

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The controversial documentary is expected to air in the UK on Channel 4 in the first week of March in two two-hour shows.

HBO are thought to be airing it around the same time.

 

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If only they had memes back when the trial was going on, maybe he would have been convicted. 

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19 hours ago, Lolo said:

When will this documentary air on HBO? 

The documentary is expected to air in the UK on Channel 4 in the first week of March in two two-hour shows.

HBO are thought to be airing it around the same time.

 

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20 hours ago, jacket said:

It's counterintuitive that the only porn they found in the 2003 raid of Neverland was legal adult hetero porn (some dating back to the early 90s). Even one of the titles was Over 50. They also had 16 hard drives, which showed he'd logged onto legal adult sites using the moniker "Dr Black" or "Marcel Jackson".

Where's the child porn, or at least homo stuff? No self made videos with the kids and photos?

There was an article from my local news the other week saying a recently release pedophile had accessed child porn on the FIRST day of his release!

This doesn't mean he didn't do anything with those kids that slept in his bed - but what you've got in your bedside drawer and computer can tell you a lot about a person.

 

 

 

Or 'at least homo stuff' wtf is that supposed to mean? 

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2 hours ago, windsor67 said:

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And that one is guilty of loving fingers up his azz just like Kanye. Ask Vivica A Fox. 

 

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2 hours ago, White Heat said:

If only they had memes back when the trial was going on, maybe he would have been convicted. 

:lol:

Memes and even just a little shred of evidence and conviction would've been surefire!

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I cannot believe that Madonna fans would be such strong apologists for pedophilia

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13 minutes ago, windsor67 said:

I cannot believe that Madonna fans would be such strong apologists for pedophilia

Where has anyone posted anything that would make them a pedophile apologist? 

 

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7 minutes ago, White Heat said:

Where has anyone posted anything that would make them a pedophile apologist? 

 

You and two others

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Drink me up 

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I've looked at some other places and lipstick alley, the gaga fans, and teen pop forums generally believe MJ is innocent, a victim.. M fans seem very critical and rational.

it's always the same.. MJ is a victim.. they didn't want a black man to be powerful..

that doesn't take away from the fact that he admitted he slept with other people's children and if this was ANYONE else (well, with the exception of gaga and Beyonce probably) they'd be dragged 

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52 minutes ago, windsor67 said:

You and two others

Where?

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2 minutes ago, White Heat said:

Where?

Won’t waste my time 🙂

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3 hours ago, acko said:

Or 'at least homo stuff' wtf is that supposed to mean? 

Gay porn - he's meant to be into males, right?

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