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And I should add, he was so overrated as a performer, a tacky man in white socks with a glove, a caricature, I never understood the appeal. Mass hysteria from he 80’s. A one trick pony. I can’t believe Madonna supported him , I felt uncomfortable during the two sticky tours dates I went to when that tribute came on 

give me Diana Ross anytime she is talented and a star

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2 minutes ago, windsor67 said:

And I should add, he was so overrated as a performer, a tacky man in white socks with a glove, a caricature, I never understood the appeal. Mass hysteria from he 80’s. A one trick pony. I can’t believe Madonna supported him , I felt uncomfortable during the two sticky tours dates I went to when that tribute came on 

give me Diana Ross anytime she is talented and a star

I second that.

I never understood his appeal  either. Also he was a copycat drag queen who  wanted to  look  like diana. He reportedly pasted her face figure for  his plastic surgery then. And she  was not  happy with it after hearing the rumor.

Of course she  was  his  idol for  sure.

 

He has done the  same moves to  death for hundreds years on  heavy lip syncing since 90s. Nothing new. and his evolution stopped  and died  away since 80s.

 

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8 minutes ago, veroelectronica said:

I second that.

I never understood his appeal  either. Also he was a copycat drag queen who  wanted to  look  like diana. He reportedly pasted her face figure for  his plastic surgery then. And she  was not  happy with it after hearing the rumor.

Of course she  was  his  idol for  sure.

 

He has done the  same moves to  death for hundreds years on  heavy lip syncing since 90s. Nothing new. and his evolution stopped  and died  away since 80s.

 

I wonder what Diana has to say about him, she sure kept her distance from him when he became a freak. I wonder what Madonna has to say about him too, these stories about her trying to lure him, him being disgusted at her naked body, her trying to give him a new image.

he was a casino act, I cannot believe an artist like Madonna mingled with that creature 

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Prince was sexual but he never got into a scandal and unlike that Jackson Guy was an incredibly talented musician, a true artist. I don’t get Michael Jackson., his fans, and their excuses for pedophilia, low class losers

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12 minutes ago, windsor67 said:

I wonder what Diana has to say about him, she sure kept her distance from him when he became a freak. I wonder what Madonna has to say about him too, these stories about her trying to lure him, him being disgusted at her naked body, her trying to give him a new image.

he was a casino act, I cannot believe an artist like Madonna mingled with that creature 

Agreed. Plastic freak with serious pedophile. His  fans only want to see  and hear what they  want  to. Deaf blind.

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5 hours ago, Genevieve Vavance said:

he's really disgusting, and people who were excusing him on this very board

Thank you, I love you too!

I'm just going to drop this comment here to say this newest 'doc' is, once again, a load of bollocks that becomes very obvious once you read about the history of these two 'poor' accusers (in fact, reading the Estate's official fact-check announcement would suffice). Now, please have fun throwing stones at me :thumbsup: Meanwhile, I have already left this thread and will not open it anymore for months to come.

Byeeee! :smooch::tigger:

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I don't know what to believe at this point. I haven't seen the documentary yet but one thing I don't like is that it's very one sided, the only other person that would know for sure is dead. I get that each victim goes through their own unique process before deciding to speak out so I'm not automatically discrediting the accusations but if you read the transcripts from the '05 trial, you can't really dispute his innocence at that point. The accuser himself even testified MJ's innocence at that time. Like I said, each victim has their own process so perhaps he's had some realizations since that testimony. I'm sure all of that is addressed in the documentary. 

The article posted above is interesting and Michael checks all the boxes for the type of predator that would "seduce" his boys. On the other hand, due to the position Michael put himself in, he made himself incredibly vulnerable to be taken advantage of financially. Not to mention the whole "Wacko Jacko" image also makes him an easy target. I've been an MJ fan for pretty much my whole life so I'll fully admit that may factor into my willingness to want to know all sides of the story thoroughly before tagging him as a predator. I can't say I'd be so open if this were a Mr. Jackson two doors down accused of these things with the neighborhood kids. I'd probably say where there's so much smoke, there must be fire. There's been A LOT of smoke around MJ.....but his circumstances are far more unique than they would be for a Mr. Jackson two doors down too so is it even reasonable to compare it in those terms as many do? 

Truth or not, it sounds like it's going to impact his legacy, especially in the current social climate we're in......as it should do if he's indeed guilty. Really want to see this.....I wonder if any more diehard MJ fans that were convinced of his innocence have completely changed their tune now after this? 

 

 

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Yes he was declared innocent in court, so was OJ

he is just a disgusting pedophile

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10 minutes ago, windsor67 said:

Yes he was declared innocent in court, so was OJ

he is just a disgusting pedophile

Have you read any of the transcripts of MJ's '05 trial though? 

The OJ and MJ cases are completely different. OJ basically got off because he was lucky with little technicalities. With MJ, there was damning evidence against his accusers for being professional extortionists among other things. 

He very well may be a disgusting pedophile. However, before I pin that irrevocable title on someone I need to know all sides of the story. If he's guilty then he absolutely deserves to be exposed and his legacy would obviously suffer the consequences of that accordingly.

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Sorry, but that Wade Robson guy does not seem genuine to me at all. How can someone testify in a court of law saying that MJ was 'innocent' and then again on live television in 2003 to later come forward to completely contradict themselves a decade after MJ's death is suspicious to me. And no, I am not victim blaming here, I'm simply basing this on the evidence. Look at him here in this interview on Jimmy Kimmel acting cool as a cucumber when asked about MJ...it just doesn't stack up!

 

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The thing that disturbs me is that there was obviously a pattern to Jackson's behaviour,it was always almost boys that he took a shine to. Not only was he grooming the children,he was grooming their families too,blinding them with his wealth and celebrity. I don't care how bad his childhood was,it was NOT normal behaviour for a man in his 30's to be sharing a bed with young boys. Jackson was an egomaniac in terms of he had been a celebrity since his own childhood and was clearly NOT used to hearing the word NO,and was used to getting his own way. When the Jordan Chandler accusations came out in 1993,you would've thought that the sleepovers would've stopped AT ONCE and he would've stayed as far away from children as possible,but no he just paid him off and carried on regardless.

Best case scenario,Jackson was a naive ego driven icon,who was surrounded by world class sycophants and either got a LOT of bad legal advice or chose not to listen.

Worst Case scenario he was a manipulative,egomaniac who's unhealthy interests in young boys has caused untold damage to these men's lives. 

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I think MJ hung out with so many kids that they are all going to have different stories. Some may lie, or change their story, or process what happened to them over time... what is interesting though is that they are all male, were all the same age at the time they were close to him, and some even look similar. Who has types and specifics like that when it's just a love for children? What MJ admitted to in his own words alone is not healthy for children and leaves them vulnerable for someone else to abuse them.

edit; similar thoughts at the same time, paul!

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To the majority of queens on this forum having emotive reactions to 'Leaving Neverland' may I suggest you watch this video before you label anyone a disgusting pedophile or before you make sweeping accusations about MJ only befriending young males. Ensure you are truly examining the FACTS before succumbing to a warped perspective.

 

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How funny that

some people here were convinced of the guilt of Kevin spacey but are defending that freak Jackson and excusing his deviant behaviour 

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My perspective comes from the fact that Micheal was a grown man in his 30's and chose to spend large amounts of his time in the company of children.  What i could never understand is why he chose to put himself in such a vulnerable position where he could be accused of doing such things in the first place 

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Jackson was a man who convinced their most innocent relatives to bend over and spread their butt cheeks while he masturbated to the sight; who forced them to suck on his nipples while he serviced himself; who installed an elaborate system of alarm bells at the Neverland Ranch so that he would hear if anyone was going to walk in on an eight-year-old boy with the pop star’s penis inside his mouth. Penetration was a more complicated process, but one that got increasingly possible as the boys grew older. There was even a mock wedding ceremony at one point; the kid involved still can’t bear to look at the ring. The mothers chaperoned many of these vile trysts, oblivious to (or in denial about) what Jackson was doing to their sons behind closed doors. A teenage sibling even defended the pop star in court. She didn’t know any better, but will still regret that decision until the day she dies.

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I always viewed MJ as developmentally stunted and asexual due to his showbiz upbringing, exposure to his brothers sexual escapades on the road and domineering father. He was a very sensitive kid and away from his mother who he adored, and knew was being cheated on by his father.

I feel that his obsession with kids stems from that. He's vicariously living the childhood through them that he was denied. The kids were naive, untainted by adult proclivities and therefore non-threatening to him. Just read the stuff he says about Madonna to see how threatened he is by adult nature.

But i've not looked into the stuff deeply, so its possible he was a sexual predator to boot.

Oh, and clearly he wanted to be white and idolised the white male form which probably factors into his choice of kids...

 

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1 hour ago, windsor67 said:

How funny that

some people here were convinced of the guilt of Kevin spacey but are defending that freak Jackson and excusing his deviant behaviour 

Just out of interest,  why do you think Kevin Spacey is innocent ?   I have always been a fan of his acting and was  disappointed with the accusation came out.   However,  just far too many have since also come forward with similar stories and so many Hollywood people have confirmed it too and said it was well known about Spacey.   There is a pattern with all of these people - Weinstein, Spacey,  MJ, Brian Singer, Bill Cosby,  Rolf Harris, Jimmy Saville - they all have MULTIPLE  people accusing them and who are willing to speak out. .  I think it is always important to not jump to conclusions regarding accusations as there can be shocking lies told but in all of these cases,  it is not just a couple of people,  but multiple victims telling the same thing. 

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2 hours ago, Elysium said:

To the majority of queens on this forum having emotive reactions to 'Leaving Neverland' may I suggest you watch this video before you label anyone a disgusting pedophile or before you make sweeping accusations about MJ only befriending young males. Ensure you are truly examining the FACTS before succumbing to a warped perspective.

 

Thanks for posting this.

It seems like people that are convinced MJ is guilty don't want to see anything that would potentially make them question that there's a possibility he may not be. I don't see how someone can't question the validity of Robson's accusations after seeing the facts outlined in that video and also the '05 trial. This is where I have trouble with accusations against MJ, all of it always so wishy washy.....this guy professed his love, respect and admiration for MJ up until just a few years ago....other accusers parents were blatant con artists and taught their children how to go along with it....it's never cut and dry. 

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I read an article over the weekend that also finally referenced and linked to LaToya’s very public admission of his guilt in the early 90s. Saying how her mother called MJ a fa••ot constantly and showed her copies of multiple large checks written out to the families of his victims. I know this has been “explained” away as her under the influence of brainwashing but she seemed lucid as fuck in the video I saw. 

She was on news shows and even if she was paid it was not much. She was basically warning the public about her brother. 

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12 hours ago, Jazzy Jan said:

There is a crazy tendency by so many many people to straight away excuse MJ for everything.  His behaviour - dangling his baby son over a balcony,  paying a woman to have his children with him being the sperm donor (  does anyone think he slept with grown women ) than bringing them up in masks  while in public etc after paying her off (  both him and Debbie Rowe treated their children like possessions )  and the chestnut of having "fans" " ie young boys over to sleep with him in his bed - is more than disturbing.   I understand that people love his music and adore him,  but there really has never been any excuse for his behaviour yet somehow he is always the victim.  Also, the fact he talks like a grown man on tapes of him talking in private but chose to speak like a high pitched child in public is another form of manipulation.  Even his appearance in court to face the charges was pathetic.  Turning up in pajamas - just dreadful but he is now always pitied and excused. 

ugh tea. Even before his death, everything was excused or at the worst joked about.  There was rarely any outright hate or approval.  Meanwhile Madonna gets called a racist and slave master because one of her daughters was helping her mom in the kitchen while wearing a white dress

I personally don't know what to believe and find it exhausting to even think about at this point, but like everyone has said, this sort of behaviour would never fly with any other celebrity.  And even if he was proven to be guilty of every single allegation I'm afraid that he would never get the kind of boycott he would deserve.  His work has embedded itself too deeply in our culture and has helped us form so many good memories that the public would never cancel him imo

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3 hours ago, boy skeffington said:

I read an article over the weekend that also finally referenced and linked to LaToya’s very public admission of his guilt in the early 90s. Saying how her mother called MJ a fa••ot constantly and showed her copies of multiple large checks written out to the families of his victims. I know this has been “explained” away as her under the influence of brainwashing but she seemed lucid as fuck in the video I saw. 

She was on news shows and even if she was paid it was not much. She was basically warning the public about her brother. 

I remember her appearing on “Hard Copy” frequently back then. I tuned in just to watch her drag her family! :chuckle:

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1 hour ago, boy skeffington said:

I read an article over the weekend that also finally referenced and linked to LaToya’s very public admission of his guilt in the early 90s. Saying how her mother called MJ a fa••ot constantly and showed her copies of multiple large checks written out to the families of his victims. I know this has been “explained” away as her under the influence of brainwashing but she seemed lucid as fuck in the video I saw. 

She was on news shows and even if she was paid it was not much. She was basically warning the public about her brother. 

THIS!!!!

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1 hour ago, le smoking said:

ugh tea. Even before his death, everything was excused or at the worst joked about.  There was rarely any outright hate or approval.  Meanwhile Madonna gets called a racist and slave master because one of her daughters was helping her mom in the kitchen while wearing a white dress

IKR :rotfl: 

It's ridiculous!

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so, once again, I will check the documentary, but until I have facts...

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what an extremely talented artist and entertainer; an all-time great! and well-loved by his peers despite his eccentric behavior. but he was a classic oreo with an obvious identity crisis: sexual and racial (diana ross as an image model, wanting to look white, sounding white musically, and minor boys for friends and occasional playmates). and his behavior and reputation  got only worse during the '90s and the aughts. obviously,  he got primarily damaged by the years of physical and verbal abuse from his father. and showbiz and its many trappings robbed him of his childhood and skewed his formative years. 

i guess dying was the best thing that ever happened to him. otherwise, he would have been lionized to death under this current climate. prior to his demise, his career and public persona was in the doldrums. ten years after, his legacy has been massively rehabilitated. 

eventually this controversy will go on and on and on. i expect more accusations and exposes (pseudo or otherwise) to come out in the coming years. 

 

 

Edited by toujours

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2 hours ago, boy skeffington said:

I read an article over the weekend that also finally referenced and linked to LaToya’s very public admission of his guilt in the early 90s. Saying how her mother called MJ a fa••ot constantly and showed her copies of multiple large checks written out to the families of his victims. I know this has been “explained” away as her under the influence of brainwashing but she seemed lucid as fuck in the video I saw. 

She was on news shows and even if she was paid it was not much. She was basically warning the public about her brother. 

The whole Latoya brainwash shit was like sth out of Days of Our Lives... Never bought it. U know those Jacksons had a family meeting and decided 2 get in line to protect their future estate.

@Jazzy Jan I'm sorry but it's the ohter way around. The WORLD has given him a pass. He was just this mega talented eccentric pop star... That was basically the disclaimer. It wouldn't surprise me if all the weird stories.. Planted at certain time... were part of a strategy just to be able to say 'people say the most outrageous things about this guy'.

He was a Freak and he did inappropriate things with young boys.. That much is clear. 

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So a documentary made by 2 people who have been exposed as liars will reveal more than the fbi investigations did?

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16 minutes ago, acko said:

The whole Latoya brainwash shit was like sth out of Days of Our Lives... Never bought it. U know those Jacksons had a family meeting and decided 2 get in line to protect their future estate.

@Jazzy Jan I'm sorry but it's the ohter way around. The WORLD has given him a pass. He was just this mega talented eccentric pop star... That was basically the disclaimer. It wouldn't surprise me if all the weird stories.. Planted at certain time... were part of a strategy just to be able to say 'people say the most outrageous things about this guy'.

He was a Freak and he did inappropriate things with young boys.. That much is clear. 

Yes, agree.  I have been trying to think of any celebrity who would be excused by the world for having sleep overs with young boys in his bed and can not imagine any other star getting away with it. I think the world would be horrified beyond belief and not bending over backwards to turn them into some poor victim. 

I know people are bringing up that his accusers were greedy and taken back statements etc but I still can't understand how anyone can explain him sleeping with young boys in his bed and not finding that creepy, perverted and unacceptable. 

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