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Yes I read too.  Sad news.  

 

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The end of an era yet again. I had little interest in the documentaries made by Spike Lee recently as they had no input from Rod or Quincy, what use are documentaries about Thriller/Off the Wall without the living members of the magic team? Rod wrote masses of classics.

 

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I don't know much about him other than his name from the songwriting credits.

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I have never seen this! :rotfl:

 

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34 minutes ago, MadFan said:

I have never seen this! :rotfl:

 

I love this. Shows what a normal bloke he really was!

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9 minutes ago, bluejean said:

I love this. Shows what a normal bloke he really was!

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46 minutes ago, MadFan said:

I have never seen this! :rotfl:

 

This is a cute and funny moment though!

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5 hours ago, billiejean said:

 

I don't know what they're planning but I wish they'd stop with the Thriller rehashing. They should re-release Dangerous and I also think History needs a release along with its tour. There is seriously so many things they can do instead of milking Thriller again.

Even doing a remix album of his best songs or something. (And I mean good remixes not Kanye destroying Billie Jean and all that.)

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Last week my HIStory album died after 21 years, so I bought a new copy and it's just arrived in the post. I'm listening now and forgotten the new version was edited and cut to ribbons. Not only did they edit "Jew" and "Kike" from "TDCAU", the title track "History" is also different. Not a happy bunny right now.

 

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How is the song History different?  I only knew about the TDCAU edits.

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33 minutes ago, VogueMusic said:

How is the song History different?  I only knew about the TDCAU edits.

I've posted both in the links below....listen to them back to back and you'll hear the differences.

History (Original version) http://www104.zippyshare.com/v/eocGpUUu/file.html

History (New version) http://www104.zippyshare.com/v/DyQNZjff/file.html

 

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Hopefully they are cleaning up the Thriller video, it's such bad quality, there was a clearer version during the Moonwalker montage. Rumours are there might be a 3d release. But yes, Michael had alot of other work that deserves some spotlight.

Rod Temperton, God bless him, said his favourite Michael Jackson song was Stranger in Moscow.

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The original orchestral piece is Mussorgsky's "Pictures at an Exhibition" (Orchestrated by Ravel). Mike also used it in the HIStory Tour a lot (show intro too). 

Too bad they had to change it out.

(Thanks for the heads up Crux!)

 

 

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38 minutes ago, Lolo said:

Last night they aired an 4 hour TV special about MJ, celebrating his 60th birthday ( ... little side note: Madonna got nothing but a couple of mentions in the usual celebrity news outlets on her Bday) and I only caught like half an hour of it, but dear Lord was this a pity fest full of sad piano music and melodrama all around. Talk about victimization. Just eww. This is his legacy in the GPs perception? Just tragic on every level. I think we all can call ourselves lucky they won’t be able to do the same to Madonna. Which is the reason why there will probably never be an 4 hour special about her. 

The way MJ is made to be such a pitiful victim is nothing short of typical celebrity hysterics.  It is ghoulish really. 

Unfortunately that is always the way.  Elizabeth Taylor, Frank Sinatra, Bette Davis would be just as mentioned as Marilyn Monroe and James Dean if they had died young, beautiful and tragically.  Not trying to dismiss either Marilyn or James Dean, but dying before time, tragically and still incredibly beautiful assures constant victim hood and interest.  I am a big Marilyn Monroe fan as well but just stating how it is. 

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‘Leaving Neverland’: Sundance’s Michael Jackson Doc Leaves Audience Shellshocked

Premiere of Dan Reed’s two-part, four-hour exposé — in which two men allege the King of Pop sexually abused them — is a bombshell

There was no gaggle of protestors outside the Egyptian Theater in Park City, Utah early Friday morning, despite news reports that the Sundance Film Festival had been told to brace for a massive disruption on Main Street. There were, however, policemen patrolling the area with bomb-sniffing dogs, three times the usual security of a typical screening and, per Festival Director John Cooper, “healthcare professionals in the lobby” in case anyone bothered by the material needed to talk to someone immediately.

The warning to the packed house was warranted: Leaving Neverland, Dan Reed’s two-part, four-hour documentary focusing on two men who claimed that Michael Jackson had abused them as children, opens with a disclaimer about “graphic” descriptions of sexual acts involving underage participants. And after hearing these subjects recount in horrifying detail what they say took place in various hotels, houses and on the Neverland Ranch, it’s hard not to feel that you’ve experienced post-traumatic stress disorder yourself. During a 10-minute intermission, audience members appeared slightly dazed. By the end of the screening, the crowd looked completely shellshocked.

Centered primarily around extensive on-camera interviews conducted with Wade Robson and James Safechuck — with additional testimonies from their family members and spouses — Neverland begins with the two men recalling their first encounters of the King of Pop. For Robson, an Australian kid who became enamored of the singer after his mother Joy brought home a “Making-Of Thriller” videotape, hearing Jackson’s music for the first time led to obsessively studying the artist’s moves; after getting first prize at a Jackson-themed dance contest at a mall, he won the chance to meet the man himself during a concert stop in Brisbane. He was eventually pulled onstage to perform his moves for the crowd and spent time with the pop star at his hotel before Jackson left. If you’re ever in America, Jackson tells the Robson family, look me up. That would eventually lead to Joy, Wade and his sister being invited to spend time at the ranch later on. By this time, the child had permed his hair and taken to wearing carbon copies of Jackson’s outfits. He was seven years old.

As for Safechuck, a gig acting in a Pepsi commercial — in which he sneaks into Jackson’s dressing room, trying on the singer’s sunglasses until the man himself shows up — brought him into the singer’s orbit. Unlike Robson, he wasn’t a superfan; like Robson, he was immediately enamored of the pop superstar paying attention to him and making him feel “important.” Jackson also befriended the family, often having dinner and movie nights at the Safechuck house in Simi Valley, California. He flies the family to Hawaii during a Pepsi convention, and invites the boy to sleep in his hotel room. On the flight back, you can hear the singer flattering James to an unusual degree. Jackson invites the family to his pre-Neverland estate, eventually convincing the Safechucks to let James stay there on his own with the singer. He was 10 years old.

Neverland keeps cutting between these two stories, as the men begin to recall how the singer would allegedly initiate physical contact during “sleepovers” and “escalate” things from there. The stories suggest a similar pattern of childlike playing, followed by claims of grooming, mutual masturbation, further sexual advances and long lectures from Jackson about how you couldn’t really trust your parents, and you definitely could not trust women. Gifts, trips and other high-life perks are lavished on family members, yet both boys’ mothers recall how they’d consistently be separated from their sons whenever the chance arose. Safechuck recalls how Neverland Ranch was set up with a series of tucked-away bedrooms and secret rooms where these alleged sexual activities could take place without folks knowing. Robson, who Jackson nicknamed “Little One,” describes a “secret wedding” between the two.

And both men recall how, according to Robson, “in the context of what was going on, this all seemed normal”; how they were told this was how you showed someone you loved them; how they could never tell anyone, because both they and Jackson would be thrown in jail; and how each became jealous when other boys replaced them as objects of affection.

The doc’s second half then starts with the 1993 case against Jackson by 13-year-old Jordan Chandler, who claimed that the singer had molested him when he was staying at the ranch, and why both Safechuck, Robson and their families felt compelled to testify on his behalf. By the time further allegations prompted a criminal trial, Safechuck told his mother that Jackson “was not a good man” and asked that they refrain from aiding the defense.

Robson, however, did; one of Neverland‘s most painful sections finds the now-successful choreographer and ‘N Sync/Britney Spears collaborator worried that his career might be tainted, Michael’s children might never see their father again and that he felt he needed to protect Jackson — all this despite what he claims had happened to him. After Jackson’s death in 2009, both men have married and have become fathers; they also find that they can’t sleep at night and are suffering from various PTSD symptoms. They eventually begin to refer to what happened to them as abuse. Things get worse before they start to get better. (Both Robson and Safechuck admit they initially denied the allegations due to what they said was a need to compartmentalize the alleged abuse.)

By the time the credits rolled, the energy in the room hovered somewhere between queasiness over what we’d just witnessed and the sense that some sort of turning point about how these accusations play into Jackson’s legacy had been reached. By offering these men a forum, this doc has clearly chosen a side. Yet the thoroughness with which it details this history of allegations, and the way it personalizes them to a startling degree, is hard to shake off. It does not discount what these men say, nor does it leave out the fact recent lawsuits muddy the waters a bit.

But the film shows how sexual abuse leaves psychological scars, how fame can be seductive enough to warp moral compasses (especially regarding the parents) and how complicated things can be when you love someone who may be hurting you. It’s also a portrait of a man who was many things to many people, and how that image may not sync up with what some folks want to believe.

And it’s a portrait of bravery, as evidenced by the fact that when Reed brought Robson and Safechuck to the stage after the film, the three men received a minute-long standing ovation. Both men say that “what happened, happened,” and that they can no longer confront Jackson about it or get closure. Both talk about still being in the process of healing, and both said they wanted to do this so that, should someone else be dealing with the aftermath of abuse, they too could come forward. (One audience member confessed about his own molestation as a child and thanked them for making the film; another mentioned that, as a lawyer who’s dealt with many sexual abuse cases, this could help change the law regarding such crimes.)

When folks staggered out onto Main Street shortly before 1pm, greeted by several people holding a few “Michael = Innocent” signs, it was hard not to feel different about the man at the center of the film. It was hard not to feel like a bombshell had been dropped.

https://www.rollingstone.com/movies/movie-features/leaving-neverland-michael-jackson-doc-sundance-784801/

 

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Wow the film appears to make a strong case about the sexual abuse that allegedly took place.

I'm curious to see how people will respond to it. Some of his fans are still in denial even though there seems to be good evidence.

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Why am I even shocked? But I seriously am... Confusing and disturbing. Though of course this is again a case of ‚didn’t we know all along‘? Which makes it even worse. 

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30 minutes ago, Lolo said:

Why am I even shocked? But I seriously am... Confusing and disturbing. Though of course this is again a case of ‚didn’t we know all along‘? Which makes it even worse. 

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no, there (was?) allways the shadow of the doubt.I have never believed it, for example. I mean, I have allways thought that he was a  person with weird behaviour, but I have also thought that the children´s parents wanted his money and that´s why they allowed their children to be with him first, and then they sued him.I want to see the documentary and check what do they say.

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14 minutes ago, promise to try said:

no, there (was?) allways the shadow of the doubt.I have never believed it, for example. I mean, I have allways thought that he was a  person with weird behaviour, but I have also thought that the children´s parents wanted his money and that´s why they allowed their children to be with him first, and then they sued him.I want to see the documentary and check what do they say.

Yes, I know, it was the same for me except for certain moments when you thought about how he always sought to quiet down the cases with payments. And I don’t know of any such case where the accusations have been completely contrived... there’s been doubt but only because I didn’t want to believe it. 

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To be honest... I still don’t want to believe. 

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2 minutes ago, Lolo said:

To be honest... I still don’t want to believe. 

me neither

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I have always believed him to be guilty 

he paid off so many people 

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5 minutes ago, windsor67 said:

I have always believed him to be guilty 

he paid off so many people 

yes.But I have always thought that he made it to stop the problem, instead of solving it...

do these children/now adults have any proof more than their own words? any description that all of them have in common? something?

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here we go again.. where were all these men when that hispanic kid was dragged thru court?

..and poor MJ, HE DIDN'T HAVE A CHILDHOOOD

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1 minute ago, Like2Watch said:

here we go again.. where were all these men when that hispanic kid was dragged thru court?

..and poor MJ, HE DIDN'T HAVE A CHILDHOOOD

yes to the first one! where were all?and their parents? because even tough I think michael is inocent, I don´t know if I would let my child sleep in the house of a man that I don´t really know

 

and about MJ´s childood, he should have gone to a mine in Bolivia or in any country in africa where there children really don´t have childhoods .He had a childood, different, but not as different as he thought

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I always see "they just want money" as the way to discredit victims but all these famous men have patterns in who they abuse, which wouldn't be the case if random  people were just after money. Michael couldn't have been more blatant in what he was doing, really. 

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