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34 minutes ago, elijah said:

Oh I so want you NOT to be kidding and to be right... And Catalonia is "internal question" as if Spain is not part of EU... They should be chairing the negotiations...

Tomorrow the European Parliament will speak of Catalonia.  Let's see if they say something new.  This new situation after Sunday has changed the view of the problem in many European countries.  

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It was really interesting watching yesterday the European Parliament speaking about Catalonia.  Our politicians here are so useless and full of shit (on both sides)  that it was refreshing.  I particularly enjoyed Guy Verhofsrad (or whatever the name :lmao:

And I LOVED the woman from The Green who was the only one to give some scalding tea to both parts. 

The embarrassing part were the anti EU parties,  literally LYING. And the man from the Ukip said Spain was a shame and fascist and then I looked him up and he's the man who got a punch from another Ukip politician and left unconscious in the Parliament months ago :rotfl:

The sad part of it all is that the Commission still considers this a problem only concerning Spain.  But I think it's not.  If so many people want independence and the Catalanish government wants to declare that unilaterally and it creates havoc in a EU country that is a social and economic problem that affects the whole union!  

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I was too busy watching Theresa May dying on her arse and destroying the remnants of her political career yesterday to pay much attention to this, but surely it's time for beloved Catalonia to declare UDI and then ineffectual pathetic mouthpiece EU will HAVE to get involved (if only to do nothing as per) 

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11 minutes ago, Kim said:

I was too busy watching Theresa May dying on her arse and destroying the remnants of her political career yesterday to pay much attention to this, but surely it's time for beloved Catalonia to declare UDI and then ineffectual pathetic mouthpiece EU will HAVE to get involved (if only to do nothing as per) 

Well,  to be fair the UK would benefit a lot from an independent Catalonia. They can reach agreements once the UK is no part of the EU and British people can finally have the perfect Mediterranean coast where they can get drunk, make bachelor parties and buy a second residence after retirement.  

And everyone will be happy 😊 

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32 minutes ago, karbatal said:

British people 

Who are these mythical people you speak of?

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15 minutes ago, Kim said:

Who are these mythical people you speak of?

People from UK?  Sorry don't understand your question.  

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1 hour ago, Kim said:

I was too busy watching Theresa May dying on her arse and destroying the remnants of her political career yesterday 

It was in my local newspaper this morning. Poor Theresa. Not sure she realised it would be such a hard path. Mess! :rotfl:

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11 minutes ago, runa said:

It was in my local newspaper this morning. Poor Theresa. Not sure she realised it would be such a hard path. Mess! :rotfl:

Silly old cow...

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speaking about disaster zones...can you imagine the crazyness if the catalonian´s declare  themselves independent the 12 of october?????:lol:

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14 minutes ago, promise to try said:

speaking about disaster zones...can you imagine the crazyness if the catalonian´s declare  themselves independent the 12 of october?????:lol:

I hope so. At this point this is a case of I'm going I'm going I'm going.  

They should declare independence and if we had a normal Government,  not the stupid Rajoy who always fucks up everything,  it's only a matter of 24 hours when the situation dissolves: a elite corrupted conservative party having to decide what to do along a left radical party... Let's grab popcorn!  The only point in common about those people in the independence.  Once gained...

Rumor is that the conservative Puigdemont is shit scared of how far this has got: his party is sustained by the rich families and banks, same banks who have lost 10 billion euro in just ten days in the markets and who have announce their intention to move their social base to SPAIN today :lmao:

But if he doesn't declare independence,  the far left CUP will stop supporting him in the Government and that means new elections and this time no possibility of coalition. Mess. Either the CUP wins by majority or the independents won't be ruling catalonia.  

But surely stupid Rajoy will do something that gives these people more oxygen,  as he did last Sunday :lol:

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Stupid ppl, they will simply devastate a prosperous region for their own gain... Why secede when they are quite fine? I still don't get it. Barcelona is the last place you d think the locals are oppressed...

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Just now, elijah said:

Stupid ppl, they will simply devastate a prosperous region for their own gain... Why secede when they are quite fine? I still don't get it. Barcelona is the last place you d think the locals are oppressed...

they have some objective reasons to complain, other are, I guess, based on feelings, and others...well. For exaple, apparently some politicians from CIU have a lot of money in andorra, and next year all the data will be reveleaded.And they were going to jail, so, if they are independent,they may nopt go.anyways, at this point it´s difficult to separate reality from propaganda.

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48 minutes ago, promise to try said:

...can you imagine the crazyness if the catalonian´s declare  themselves independent the 12 of october?????:lol:

Independence Day! :tigger:

I mean, this whole thread is about what a corrupt embarrassment of a country this is,  and yet people who collectively decide to try something different and use their democratic right to do so are pilloried. Madness.

Better tell every other country in the world that's declared their independence from another nation what a big bad mistake they made. 

Go Catalonia! And :ohwell:Spain!

 

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8 hours ago, Kim said:

Silly old cow...

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The letters falling down behind her is the best part, :dead:

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Just now, Kim said:

Independence Day! :tigger:

 

 

vut the funny thing would be that the 12 of october they celebrate the spanish (hispanity?) day!!! or the race day as some of the oldest people still call it!

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Just now, Kim said:

 

I mean, this whole thread is about what a corrupt embarrassment of a country this is,  and yet people who collectively decide to try something different and use their democratic right to do so are pilloried. Madness.

Better tell every other country in the world that's declared their independence from another nation what a big bad mistake they made. 

Go Catalonia! And :ohwell:Spain!

 

the thing is that we don´t know how mauch these people were/are, because the referendum wasn´t clear, because apparently some people voted mjore than twice, because it wasn´t suppose to be to declare the independence but more a simbolic thing...but if they really want to go, I´m totally in favour. but so far we don´t know that. If some day we (basques) have a referendum, I hope it will be a good one, and not this.

anyways, I have talked to my father: he is expecting politicians going to jail, elections in spain, more violence...the luxury pack.

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18 minutes ago, promise to try said:

the thing is that we don´t know how mauch these people were/are, because the referendum wasn´t clear, because apparently some people voted mjore than twice, because it wasn´t suppose to be to declare the independence but more a simbolic thing...but if they really want to go, I´m totally in favour. but so far we don´t know that. If some day we (basques) have a referendum, I hope it will be a good one, and not this.

anyways, I have talked to my father: he is expecting politicians going to jail, elections in spain, more violence...the luxury pack.

If they let people make the referendum Spain wouldn't be in that mess. People could express their voice and the result would be clear. Spain government only get what they deserve. This is a shame, really.

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yes.and now the most important banks from catalonia are leaving.well, they are like rats.I´m sure they will be back when they smell money again

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11 hours ago, Kim said:

Independence Day! :tigger:

I mean, this whole thread is about what a corrupt embarrassment of a country this is,  and yet people who collectively decide to try something different and use their democratic right to do so are pilloried. Madness.

Better tell every other country in the world that's declared their independence from another nation what a big bad mistake they made. 

Go Catalonia! And :ohwell:Spain!

 

Errrrr.. 

The whole country is not corrupted,  its the big parties and the Catalán ones are the most corrupted along the PP.

  Your cultivated and intelligent Catalan friends that you said you have surely have told you about that. 

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9 hours ago, runa said:

If they let people make the referendum Spain wouldn't be in that mess. People could express their voice and the result would be clear. Spain government only get what they deserve. This is a shame, really.

Yes. 

If the referendum had been made some years ago things would be different. 

But we have a very stupid party in Madrid who wanted to use all this mess as smoke curtain to hide all the corruption scandals. The same with the main Catalan party. For both, this has gone out of hands.  

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2 hours ago, karbatal said:

Errrrr.. 

The whole country is not corrupted,  its the big parties and the Catalán ones are the most corrupted along the PP.

  Your cultivated and intelligent Catalan friends that you said you have surely have told you about that. 

You have a central government that uses state sponsored violence against its own people, you have a "king" that fails to condemn his own subjects being beaten up. That's corrupt. I have a feeling that there's more violence on the way, too.

I didn't say I had many Catalan friends. I said that the many Catalans that came over here during our 2014 referendum (to see democracy in action) where intelligent and thoughtful about issues within their own movement and how they pertained to the wider international community. 

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1 hour ago, Kim said:

You have a central government that uses state sponsored violence against its own people, you have a "king" that fails to condemn his own subjects being beaten up. That's corrupt. I have a feeling that there's more violence on the way, too.

I didn't say I had many Catalan friends. I said that the many Catalans that came over here during our 2014 referendum (to see democracy in action) where intelligent and thoughtful about issues within their own movement and how they pertained to the wider international community. 

If corruption means using overwhelming violence to pursuit ideas,  then Spain would be in the bottom of the list compared to countries who bomb population and destroy other countries. 

Let's get real OK?  Don't get all Pud Whacker in this thread as if this was the Trump one 

Corruption is abusing your power to get rich and help elites.  In Spain case that's happened with Conservative and Socialists in Madrid and with Conservatives in Catalonia.  The same very man who decided to pursue the referendum when less than 10% of the population declared being independent,  Artur Mas,  is no longer president of Catalonia because the far left expelled him from the process because he was part of a corruption net that has stolen money from Catalan people the past 30 years. 

What's the point of giving those opinions against a whole society like the Spanish one with absolute no idea?  Is this your way to have fun? 

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In many case, violence is used as an instrument for the achievement of corrupt purposes. It is linked.

The government uses violent action so his people won't see what it wants to hide. 

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31 minutes ago, runa said:

In many case, violence is used as an instrument for the achievement of corrupt purposes. It is linked.

The government uses violent action so his people won't see what it wants to hide. 

Very well.  But when it comes to the phrase "Catalonia wants to be independent to separate from corruption"  it is not the violence we are talking about. Simply because the Catalanish Police,  the Mossos,  is the Corp with more denounces and complaints in Spain because of overwhelming force.  Only five years ago they dissolved a gathering of students and young people who were peacefully asking for solutions against the crisis like this. 

Due to these incidents,  where a student lost his eye due to a rubber ball,  the Mossos were forbidden to use this material again.  

It is HORRIBLE what happened last Sunday in Barcelona and our riot Police has a SEVERE problem.  But to picture now Madrid as fascist and "corrupted"  based on several police agents when the same happened in Catalonia five years ago is stupid.  

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