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Just now, promise to try said:

there a lot people spain that could have done it better. yes, vargas llosa has double citizenship, but we all know he is so right winged that anything he is going to say will be understood as a message from the right part of the pp.anyways, he is the guy banging enrique iglesias´mother, he deserves to be in front of a march!!:lol:

 

that said, I think the cat. government is going to declare independence tomorrow. There will be a huge march, bigger than yesterday´s, and all hell will break loose after that. And my lovely Ada colau will be in the middle...

Well if only Rajoy doesn't fuck it up.. But surely something will happen and Catalonia will be again the oh poor victim of the fascist Spain.  

Ugh.  Remind me to Lady Gaga. 

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crap, even raphael has been twiting Iñaki gabilondo (a journalist, very calmed, inteligent), and still the craziest people are still on power!!

He, raphael, sang in barcelona this last saturday...and he also san EL himno a la alegria...

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Just now, karbatal said:

Well if only Rajoy doesn't fuck it up.. But surely something will happen and Catalonia will be again the oh poor victim of the fascist Spain.  

Ugh.  Remind me to Lady Gaga. 

he will fuck it up!!

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20 minutes ago, promise to try said:

he will fuck it up!!

It already started. Casado has compared the situation with that in the 30s forgetting that poor Lluis Company was shot!

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Just now, karbatal said:

It already started. Casado has compared the situation with that in the 30s forgetting that poor Lluis Company was shot!

and the cup has called their people to be ready tomorrow on the streets...o fuck, something that should have been beaitful and peaceful, it´s going to finish with blood just because people are really stupid, in all different parts, not only the spanish government or the catalan one. And meanwhile, the basque one what is it doing???? they should be the ones talking to both parts...

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11 hours ago, promise to try said:

and the cup has called their people to be ready tomorrow on the streets...o fuck, something that should have been beaitful and peaceful, it´s going to finish with blood just because people are really stupid, in all different parts, not only the spanish government or the catalan one. And meanwhile, the basque one what is it doing???? they should be the ones talking to both parts...

Well I doubt the Police charges again like that.  They would be stupid.  Let the Mosses control demonstrations.  That's what I'd do. 

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On 10/7/2017 at 10:58 AM, karbatal said:

I don't think there's any foreign interest here tbqh.  This all has an Almodovar "Made in Spain" sticker. 

I doubt it. Its so messy and absurd. And perfect timing again. I ve read an article that there is infrastrictural project that passes through Catalonia that would decrease the dependance on the gas from the east. It was in Bulgarian otherwise I would ve posted it.

Please Spaniards, keep us informed about this. Hope the Catalanian president won't announce independence when under 50ty percent of the people are for it (some have voted multiple times) and hope there won't be any violence on any of the sides.

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You can watch the speech directly in English here.

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On 09/10/2017 at 4:08 AM, Nessie said:

I wonder how many of them are actually Catalan.

Yep bussed in from all over Spain. And the scenes of them with their Nazi salutes and running amok in Catalonia were disgusting.

Funny how it's always the Unionists that are the right wing scum of the earth. It's the same in "Britain" with yer fat racist right wing tossers running around with their Union Jacks spewing their venom about the foreigners and the gays and the sovereignty of *their* nation. Vile.

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oops, so government has said, the catalñan government has said that yes, they are independent, but not yet?

I´m lost

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1 minute ago, promise to try said:

oops, so government has said, the catalñan government has said that yes, they are independent, but not yet?

I´m lost

Me too. I don't think there was a declaration of independence?

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It's been temporarily suspended in order to dialogue with the Spanish state, but their goal is the independence.

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It was a trick from Puigdemont to gain time :lmao:

It started one hour later because they cannot even agree on that.  Then he declares it and suspends it :rotfl:

WHAT A MESS 

Those people are the worst.  They are desperate for an "agreement" to stay.  That is keeping their money.  All earned with the historic investment from Spain now only for Catalonia. Very nice. Sooo much solidarity there. Greedy politicians.... 

GREEDY bunch of racists.  Did you guys watch as Inés Arrimadas very wisely showed racist pamphlets against Spaniards from Puigdemont's party and the ultra racist piece written by Junqueras about the genetics of Catalnish people?  Disgusting.  About time Europe know what a bunch of victimists and liars those politicians are. And how much hate they have spread among the population these past years. 

Disgusting.  

 

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Oh dear I never thought I would agree with Ines Arrimadas on something :lol:

But she was so spot on.  "Mister Puigdemont. Stop lying saying that the world supports them. Stop lying about the situation of Catalonia in the EU.  People in Catalonia,  Spain and Europe rather believe in what says Junker, not Junqueras"

:rotfl::lmao:

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4 minutes ago, karbatal said:

It was a trick from Puigdemont to gain time :lmao:

It started one hour later because they cannot even agree on that.  Then he declares it and suspends it :rotfl:

WHAT A MESS 

Those people are the worst.  They are desperate for an "agreement" to stay.  That is keeping their money.  All earned with the historic investment from Spain now only for Catalonia. 

GREEDY bunch of racists.  Did you guys watch as Inés Arrimadas very wisely showed racist pamphlets against Spaniards from Puigdemont's party and the ultra racist piece written by Junqueras about the genetics of Catalnish people?  Disgusting.  About time Europe know what a bunch of victimists and liars those politicians are. And how much hate they have spread among the population these past years. 

Disgusting.  

 

Ines speech was great. And she looks amazing!

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Just now, elijah said:

Ines speech was great. And she looks amazing!

Her party in Spain is conservative. Very Macron.  Very Obama.  Image,  social media and empty promises.  We mostly laugh at them but their votes are increasing.  

In Catalonia though is a very interesting party. It was born there.  It was the first party with people proud of being from Catalonia,  speaking Catalanish but comfortable in Spain. They are powerful there.  

If the three-way coalition of Puigdemont implodes,  as it will happen if Mariano Rajoy doesn't do stupid things,  there will be elections and maybe she will get the votes 

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Just now, karbatal said:

Her party in Spain is conservative. Very Macron.  Very Obama.  Image,  social media and empty promises.  We mostly laugh at them but their votes are increasing.  

In Catalonia though is a very interesting party. It was born there.  It was the first party with people proud of being from Catalonia,  speaking Catalanish but comfortable in Spain. They are powerful there.  

If the three-way coalition of Puigdemont implodes,  as it will happen if Mariano Rajoy doesn't do stupid things,  there will be elections and maybe she will get the votes 

hopefully, seemed like quite a sane person

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And he looked very awkward, he has no presence, no charisma. How he is a president? And his speech was very ambiguous though I must admit I liked the fact that he proposed dialogue.

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15 minutes ago, karbatal said:

It was a trick from Puigdemont to gain time :lmao:

It started one hour later because they cannot even agree on that.  Then he declares it and suspends it :rotfl:

WHAT A MESS 

Those people are the worst.  They are desperate for an "agreement" to stay.  That is keeping their money.  All earned with the historic investment from Spain now only for Catalonia. Very nice. Sooo much solidarity there. Greedy politicians.... 

GREEDY bunch of racists.  Did you guys watch as Inés Arrimadas very wisely showed racist pamphlets against Spaniards from Puigdemont's party and the ultra racist piece written by Junqueras about the genetics of Catalnish people?  Disgusting.  About time Europe know what a bunch of victimists and liars those politicians are. And how much hate they have spread among the population these past years. 

Disgusting.  

 

Do you work for the Spanish government? Or just the state sponsored media? Serious question. Unlike the other Spaniards in here, everything you write is very one sided.

And about Junker. You were happy about the silence from the EU? You're happy that the so-called founding principles of that organization do not in fact exist in practice?

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6 minutes ago, elijah said:

And he looked very awkward, he has no presence, no charisma. How he is a president? And his speech was very ambiguous though I must admit I liked the fact that he proposed dialogue.

The speech was very intelligent imo.  It included all the people.  Those who want independence.  Those who don't want it but are angry because they have the right for a referendum,  and those who consider all this a wrong way.  

But yes, afterwards he had to speak for the independence and then he made little sense.  

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1 minute ago, Kim said:

Do you work for the Spanish government? Or just the state sponsored media? Serious question. Unlike the other Spaniards in here, everything you write is very one sided.

And about Junker. You were happy about the silence from the EU? You're happy that the so-called founding principles of that organization do not in fact exist in practice?

Sorry?  I'm just telling exactly what happened with the racists pamphlets released by a political party.  

I hate it when people have all the privileges and moan for decades.  That's those political parties in Catalonia. 

I'm pro referendum though.  At first not,  but later,  precisely thanks to you during the Scottish referendum,  I changed my mind. The political party I vote is pro referendum too.  

For me those are two different issues.  Referendum is democracy.  Spreading lies and hate no. 

And whenever I talked about lies and poison I always said it came from BOTH ways. So no,  not one side here. 

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About Junker, I was surprised that the EU don't see that if this gets worse it will affect the whole Eurozone.  They've been too quiet but maybe they thought,  as many of us did,  that this wouldn't go this far.  

But the EU principles are about less borders and more integration. 

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Ines Arrimadas speech great? I'm out of this putrid country. I hope the become independent and move there. I've read it all with you today.

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27 minutes ago, elijah said:

 I liked the fact that he proposed dialogue.

At least!

lets pray that the spanish government doesn't bomb them next week.

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1 hour ago, Django said:

Ines Arrimadas speech great? I'm out of this putrid country. I hope the become independent and move there. I've read it all with you today.

I'm not into Ciudadanos AT ALL but the girl was really spot on in my opinion.  Nice that you share other views.  There were other speeches too.  

Sadly we will have to hear Rajoy speech tomorrow too :chuckle:

 

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