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50 minutes ago, promise to try said:

and please!!! the government and all the basque region, it´s different!!! is as if I was thinking as the spaniards as pp voters only!!

 or all people in aragon were bunbury´s...I saw him yesterday live in santander.I´m so in love today.I want to suck his dick so badly now!!!!

Yes,  but you know perfectly well that nationalists feel afterwards "oppressed"  in the "Franco" state of Spain while in fact in Basque Country there are more benefits and there is no oppression at all.  Meanwhile,  which factory will settle in Aragon or Burgos while in Basque Country will pay less taxes????  

As I said many times,  I wish that both Catalonia and Basque Country had been independent in the 80s. Everyone would be better. 

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59 minutes ago, promise to try said:

I don´t really know about the numbers.I´ve read about both things (being fair, and that we have been paying to much for decades because our economy is not the 6% of the spanish one since the mid 80s, and we´ve been paying as if it was).The only  places were I have read about being unfair for the rest is in El mundo newspaper and to ciudadanos political party.I believe you if you tell me that our region is going to pay less taxes than yours, but it sounds weird to me. I mean, does the PP need PNV´s votes that much? can´t they find them in another political party? is ciudadanos going to give them the votes for the spanish budgets even when they think is unfair? (because I guess is PP+ciudadans+pnv, right?)are they in a position where they can lose votes just to "give the pnv a prize"?

If the  numbers are unfair, hopefully they will change them.The supreme court or whoever is in charge of these things (well, now that I´m  writing this, they  are all probably PP supporters...)

But I see a bigger movement, against the Basque taxation system itself, not just against this latest negotiation...And this can be a new problem for spain. A new problem ala catalonia when they saw their new laws cut even though they had been voted by the spanish parliament.the beginning of something bigger. Not if they go against the last numbers, but if they go against the taxation system.

Shit, are we going to start having info from a lot of different places telling us totally different things? when are the spanish general elections again????

Don't worry,  in one year a new financiation system will be in Catalonia and they will have less debt and more money and the rest of Spain will be worse. It has happened since the 80s,  but of course there is soooooo much opressiooooon in Catalonia... 

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do you really thnk that? I think a lot of people will see it as a surrender of spain´s system...I don´t really think pp or ciudadanos need that for their votings.it seems that a strong position is better received...in the meantime, psoe has disappeared

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Just now, karbatal said:

Yes,  but you know perfectly well that nationalists feel afterwards "oppressed"  in the "Franco" state of Spain while in fact in Basque Country there are more benefits and there is no oppression at all.  Meanwhile,  which factory will settle in Aragon or Burgos while in Basque Country will pay less taxes????  

As I said many times,  I wish that both Catalonia and Basque Country had been independent in the 80s. Everyone would be better. 

regions that can´t handle an economic concert us our, should have at least something like the canary islands have...anyways, I think this is a debate that is being used for other things, as not being talking about the politicians that have stolen millions of euros

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6 hours ago, ULIZOS said:

Spanish politics are SO difficult to follow :lol: 

And we're only posting a 1% of what's happening.  For example the prosecutor that has so hard and put these people to jail died unexpectedly a couple of weeks ago!  Was he MURDERED?????? 

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9 hours ago, promise to try said:

Did you see Ada colau yesterday saying she has had a girlfriend? she was way more natural than Jorge javier with it!!!! :

 

JJ-¡madre mía!

 

Ada-¡madre mía porque!

This is such a circus :lmao:

 

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meanwhile, now the main problem seams to be that spain may not be palying the football world championship: the spanish government went against Angel mari villar, head of the football in spani for 30!!!! years, and now fifa are threatening with the possibility of spain being out of the mundial...now that would have be a real problem for a lot of people...

I would love it if it happens, I hate all that surrounds football

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Karbatal told me about some priceless artefacts bought by Catalonia illegally from Aragon and taken to Catalonia. The courts has decided that the sale has been illegal and has ordered them returned to Aragon. And now the Catalonians are attacking policemen enforcing a court order... Well I have to say I m happy the artefacts are back in Aragon where they should have been from the get go:

https://news.artnet.com/art-world/clashes-spanish-religious-art-catalan-museum-heads-back-aragon-monastery-1176053

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2 hours ago, elijah said:

Karbatal told me about some priceless artefacts bought by Catalonia illegally from Aragon and taken to Catalonia. The courts has decided that the sale has been illegal and has ordered them returned to Aragon. And now the Catalonians are attacking policemen enforcing a court order... Well I have to say I m happy the artefacts are back in Aragon where they should have been from the get go:

https://news.artnet.com/art-world/clashes-spanish-religious-art-catalan-museum-heads-back-aragon-monastery-1176053

First world problems :inlove:

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Just now, elijah said:

Karbatal told me about some priceless artefacts bought by Catalonia illegally from Aragon and taken to Catalonia. The courts has decided that the sale has been illegal and has ordered them returned to Aragon. And now the Catalonians are attacking policemen enforcing a court order... Well I have to say I m happy the artefacts are back in Aragon where they should have been from the get go:

https://news.artnet.com/art-world/clashes-spanish-religious-art-catalan-museum-heads-back-aragon-monastery-1176053

but now the spanish minister says that they should be iback in catalonia!:wacko:

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Aragon is VERY VERY Angry with the Culture Minister for being completely illiterate and having zero idea. 

My opinion is that they are paving the scenary after the elections tomorrow, that will be as this: 

1. We take down our pants

2. We lube our hole

3. They get a new agreement with Catalonia that will allow them to get more money there, so independentists will be less unhappy, while other people in Spain living in rural areas will have less medical and social services and less infraestructures.

4. They will get that agreement up our ass. 

5. Repeat as many times as necessary with the nationalists regions while the others have to suffer the discrimination.

6. Put your pants on again and get the insults from nationalists calling you fascist because they are oppressed. 

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2 hours ago, karbatal said:

Yes, culture is so first world, isn't it? 

Tell that to Egypt and the fact that all the riches are in the British Museum . 

The paintings were in a museum for everyone to see... but sure okay.

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2 hours ago, runa said:

so ? what are the survey saying ? Independant party will win ?

What a surprise............... ! What did they expect ?

Surveys are giving different results each day because there's 50% people not saying what they will vote :lmao:

But I expect independentists to have more seats too,  even though they have less votes.  They live mostly in the rural areas and the system makes those votes more worthy.  

Then we will see what they expect and what Spanish government gives.  If they are given more rights and opportunities than the rest of Spain I hope people stand up. Enough with the inequalities. 

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1 hour ago, karbatal said:

Surveys are giving different results each day because there's 50% people not saying what they will vote :lmao:

But I expect independentists to have more seats too,  even though they have less votes.  They live mostly in the rural areas and the system makes those votes more worthy.  

Then we will see what they expect and what Spanish government gives.  If they are given more rights and opportunities than the rest of Spain I hope people stand up. Enough with the inequalities. 

True, those entitled brats shouldn't be awarded for their disloyalty and their stinginess. What about the other parts of Spain that are not against showing solidarity with the less developed regions? Shouldn't they be awarded? I think they should... And really... The voting system should be changed so that 1 vote equals 1 vote. Anyways if Catalonia "votes" for independence parties I see the same scenario replayed with the central government ruling directly till they wake up from that madness.

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29 minutes ago, elijah said:

True, those entitled brats shouldn't be awarded for their disloyalty and their stinginess. What about the other parts of Spain that are not against showing solidarity with the less developed regions? Shouldn't they be awarded? I think they should... And really... The voting system should be changed so that 1 vote equals 1 vote. Anyways if Catalonia "votes" for independence parties I see the same scenario replayed with the central government ruling directly till they wake up from that madness.

Well in my opinion this shouldn't have anything to do with behaviour but with equality.  You can be as you want or have done as you want,  but please let's go for solidarity and equality.  Because elderly people can get good assistance,  for example,  if we all contribute.  If rich regions get their money,  less favored regions cannot sustain the amount of effort!  

I hope all keep solidarity in mind.  

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About the election tomorrow... Poor Catalan people :lmao: ALL the candidates are so horrible!  

I wouldn't know who to vote. Independence?  What for if the EU has said fuck off? 

PP? Horror! 

Inés Arrimadas?  Her party is like PP but with other name. They're just a bunch of hypocrites. 

Podemos? They're lost in their own labyrinth,  wanting a referendum but not a Republic but ready to make a pact with the independent parties...  

Socialists?  Well compared to the others maybe Iceta is the best of the worst.

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5 minutes ago, karbatal said:

 

Inés Arrimadas?  Her party is like PP but with other name. They're just a bunch of hypocrites. 

She had great speech in the Parliament when they voted for independence but if she is a neonazy, then I guess no? Anyways I hope the antiindependance parties win.

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in tomorrow´s elections, the drama will continue, because both parts are going to have very similar results. That means that they have to talk to find something that will please both of them. the funny thing will be that I´m sure both oarts will say Podemos is with them, whereas, as far as I know, they are pro legal referendum, but pro staying in spain! so basically neither with the independentist nor with the 155 club.

 

and yes,all the candidates are bad. Fachin was good, but Podemos took his head off from madrid. I was going to say from spain!:lol:

Ines is a cunt. All ciudadans are...scary people. They look good, as the reptils in V!!! they sound less traditionally right winged than the People´s party, but they are even worse...very Tatcher.The only good thing is that if they win, they will have to start talking to other parties and doing things that they weren´t suppode to do...so in the next elections they will go down. And pp in catalonia??? disappeared!!!

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10 hours ago, promise to try said:

but then his political party is so scared about losing their position in spain that he won´t do what he wants to do.

He's going to come third or fourth though.  I expect Puigdemont to win. I don't know what kind of propaganda they're telling in Cataluña but if they're still voting independence then they're living in an alternative reality :lol:

 

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11 hours ago, elijah said:

She had great speech in the Parliament when they voted for independence but if she is a neonazy, then I guess no? Anyways I hope the antiindependance parties win.

She's not a neonazi :lol: but her party is very liberal.  Like Macron. Good image but liberal politics.  And in Spain,  with growing social problems,  many people consider that those recipes will hurt even more the middle and lower classes. 

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Just now, karbatal said:

He's going to come third or fourth though.  I expect Puigdemont to win. I don't know what kind of propaganda they're telling in Cataluña but if they're still voting independence then they're living in an alternative reality :lol:

 

It reminds me our elections in 2001, when all the media were against the PNV, ibarretxe´s pnv.we saw it as a war between as and spain. sometimes you don´t need propaganda, you only need the adversary to gome a little bit too strong

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