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There is obviously a cheat in the system as to how they counted towards her and Bernie in some places, so let's not try to burry that.

And all the DNC leaks are eye opening, one can also argue why did they not choose the one with a better chance to beat Trump. Seriously if he wins who would you blame? What a Shameofshame.

What was the cheat exactly? The DNC emails were embarrassing and scandalous but did not point to a smoking gun in terms of rigging votes for Clinton. All it did was expose that the DNC pointedly disliked Sanders. Hardly surprising or groundbreaking considering they could hardly hide it even before the final results of the primary.

So I wanna know what receipts, proof, evidence you have that there was some sort of apparatus that threw the primary to Clinton. Please be as detailed as possible. Don't make me point out how sloppy Sanders campaign was in the states he was supposed to win. Like my state, which he could've done way better in but instead decided it wasn't worth it and he'd rather go campaign in fucking Oregon. Don't make me point out him wasting money & resources in places like NEVADA trying to pull delegates (after he already LOST THE STATE) when he could've been throwing all that money and time elsewhere. Don't make me point out his feeble outreach to POC. Don't make me point out the limited scope of his message and the fact that name recognition is a real thing in politics and hard to overcome in less than a year.

I say this not to prop up Hillary. I say this because throwing this rigged shit around is bad for democracy and poisons the debate. When you do that, you get shit like Trump. People mocking and undermining Obama's two election victories is exactly what led us here in the first place. The same seems to be at work with Clinton. Really pathetic.

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Sanders did lose, his campaign was sloppy I'm not arguing against that, but first time I see the DNC differently with this election (doesn't mean I'm pro Republican though).

There is something fundamentally undemocratic within the DNC. It worries me, but fine. Let's hope the Supreme Court and senate tilt left.

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The DNC was being run by a corrupt mediocre politician named Debbie Wasserman Schultz. She's done away with now. The swamp was drained.

You make her sound like a pimple.

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My insurance did increase but I honestly don't even notice it. It automatically comes out of my check and the increase certainly hasn't negatively impacted my life in any way. Definitely a lot of work to be done with the whole Obamacare thing but I think the intent of it is good and if my premium increases a little to serve the greater good I'm all for it.

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My insurance did increase but I honestly don't even notice it. It automatically comes out of my check and the increase certainly hasn't negatively impacted my life in any way. Definitely a lot of work to be done with the whole Obamacare thing but I think the intent of it is good and if my premium increases a little to serve the greater good I'm all for it.

Thanks for the info.

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To this day I don't understand how universal healthcare can be seen as a bad thing. Like why was that even an issue?

What do you expect from people who believe that Obama is a communist muslim born in Kenya? :lol:

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The U.S. government spent an incredible amount of resources brainwashing Americans into believing that communism was some horrible monster that was standing on the other side of our borders, ready to kill us all.

I mean, have you ever seen the shit that was shoved down our parents' and grandparents' throats?

People still believe this crap and politicians like Trump tap into and exploit those deeply ingrained fears for their own political gain. Politicians have been doing it my entire adult life and it works. You can't say anything about universal healthcare because people will shut you up with "THEN MOVE TO CUBA" or something absolutely ridiculous :rolleyes::lmao:

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Yeah, I'd like an honest answer about how your healthcare has changed since Obamacare was enacted. Have costs gone way up?

It's a disaster. They're running premiums so high and large a lot of small businesses can't afford it anymore. For a company of 15, you're looking at 20,000 a month for a PPO

They want everyone to drop private insurance and go with OC. Obama and Hillary don't use Obama care.

They have very rich, expensive private doctors.

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Nobody Cares.

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You make her sound like a pimple.

She is/was a big, greedy, massive zit outside and especially in that just refused to pop, ooze and go away! Under her lame, shady 'leadership' the Dems have had endless devastating defeats during the midterms etc...many they should not have had. She's a horrible tone deaf speaker and a blatantly scripted robot. Total hack. Dean, Kaine and all the others were 10x better! DWS is the best...um or worst Westin Florida has to offer! lol

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It's a disaster. They're running premiums so high and large a lot of small businesses can't afford it anymore. For a company of 15, you're looking at 20,000 a month for a PPO

They want everyone to drop private insurance and go with OC. Obama and Hillary don't use Obama care.

They have very rich, expensive private doctors.

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Nobody Cares.

Yep, small business were hit the hardest. A lot of people are paying more for less. Of course, there are those that benefit too. The biggest winners were the insurance companies themselves. They have more people paying their premiums plus the government paying it too now and they pass the higher costs to their current customers. Insurance carriers have it made in America. Obamacare was a dream come true to them.

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There's absolutely nothing socialist / communist about the Affordable Care Act. It's 100%, pure capitalism.

You make fun of me for saying that people are "brainwashed." People think the Affordable Care Act didn't work because it's SOCIALIST and COMMUNIST :rolleyes: They don't even know what the fuck socialism is yet they think it's the worst thing EVER.

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There's absolutely nothing socialist / communist about the Affordable Care Act. It's 100%, pure capitalism.

You make fun of me for saying that people are "brainwashed." People think the Affordable Care Act didn't work because it's SOCIALIST and COMMUNIST :rolleyes: They don't even know what the fuck socialism is yet they think it's the worst thing EVER.

Fucking Red Commie...

Captain Doreen Lewis would slap your face.

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Rrrrr..same insane pattern. Yet again (for the 120th time) he's now walking back saying Obama/Hillary 'founded ISIS'. lmao! This is off the chart insanity! This guy is either out of his skull or does.NOT.want.this! Enough already.

I think his 'team' and ass munchers are actually more grating than Trump himself! NO matter how much he fucks up (intentionally or not) the Katrina Pearsons, Jeffrey Lord and all those blond bimbos on CNN and of course all all of Fox continue to try to clean up his cesspool of a campaign. There all a bunch of pathetic minions he's slicing/dicing and using while hysterically laughing at as they simply using to clean up his daily outbursts of verbal diarrhea. No doubt they'd all be his Depends if he asked.

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There's absolutely nothing socialist / communist about the Affordable Care Act. It's 100%, pure capitalism.

You make fun of me for saying that people are "brainwashed." People think the Affordable Care Act didn't work because it's SOCIALIST and COMMUNIST :rolleyes: They don't even know what the fuck socialism is yet they think it's the worst thing EVER.

Regina George in sheep's clothes.

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It would be socialism if the government was just re-distributing wealth but the way it works now, the big insurance companies are profiting obscenely from it. It's not 100% capitalism though because there's no market freedom, it's imposed by the government. So, yes and no.

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The ACA was a mediocre watered down bill that had to get dragged across the finish line after Obama stupidly tried to extend an olive branch to the GOP, who were focused on fucking it up if not killing it completely.

It was filibustered to death in the senate and Joe Lieberman, the dumb fuck that he is, is to blame for killing the public option. Then the democrats lost a seat in Massachusetts to Scott Brown and fucked their majority. As a result this is the bill we got.

Lieberman retired from the senate with absolutely none of colleagues attending his goodbye. Everyone hates him.

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The ACA was a mediocre watered down bill that had to get dragged across the finish line after Obama stupidly tried to extend an olive branch to the GOP, who were focused on fucking it up if not killing it completely.

It was filibustered to death in the senate and Joe Lieberman, the dumb fuck that he is, is to blame for killing the public option. Then the democrats lost a seat in Massachusetts to Scott Brown and fucked their majority. As a result this is the bill we got.

Lieberman retired from the senate with absolutely none of colleagues attending his goodbye. Everyone hates him.

Bingo!

The public option would be closer to socialism since the government would be running its own health insurance agency. As it is now, the government AND the public are on the hook and the big insurers are raking all the cash.

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Exactly. So, in a nutshell, our healthcare is more capitalistic and profitable for the private sector than ever before. And, again, hearing people talk about the SCARY SOCIALIST OBAMACARE when there's absolutely NOTHING socialist about it (not even a state-owned insurer whose sole purpose was to compete with the private sector) just goes to show how brainwashed people are in the US and I don't care if Love Spent makes fun of me for saying it. Yes, people are brainwashed in the US and that's why we end up with awful legislation and people like Trump exploit that.

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