Love Spent Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 I couldn't agree more TBM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karbatal Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 How can you expect, in fact demand tolerance towards you yet have no tolerance for others and their beliefs. This is where the issue lies. If you don't agree with a culture or a mindset then each to their own but you cannot go to another country and start killing people and causing destruction for having a different viewpoint. If you feel that passionately about it, stay in the place where your views ARE the norm. In Europe there are gay people, women are allowed to wear what they want, people are allowed to practice Christianity, people are allowed to practice Judaism, people are allowed to eat pork, people are allowed to drink alcohol and so forth. If all that bothers you, Europe may not be the place to come. But many Muslims live quietly and peaceful. Of course those bigots should go. But how do we do that? It's impossible, unless we make a fourth reich. And if it's impossible, why even thinking about that as a possibility? This answer is for Love Spent too. wishful thinking doesn't help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karbatal Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 I wish we all could have these conversation in person, you know, drinking some wine. Because I seem always a know it all hahaha. Sorry if I give that image. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Spent Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 That sounds like a good idea! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karbatal Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 Indeed hahaha. We would talk two minutes about this and three hours about other forum members hahaha Then we all would get drunk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Spent Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 Indeed hahaha. We would talk two minutes about this and three hours about other forum members hahaha Then we all would get drunk Totally! You've been here much longer so you would have to spill the tea on some of these folks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elijah Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 I have a question for you Karbatal. Assuming you are gay, how can you advocate for a culture that would, if given the chance, have you killed, burned alive, or stoned to death? I can't tell if you're just playing devils advocate or not. Very good point and sorry but I cant tolerate ppl with such views. If they feel that "morally" superior just stuck where those "standarts"are celebrated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elijah Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 How can you expect, in fact demand tolerance towards you yet have no tolerance for others and their beliefs. This is where the issue lies. If you don't agree with a culture or a mindset then each to their own but you cannot go to another country and start killing people and causing destruction for having a different viewpoint. If you feel that passionately about it, stay in the place where your views ARE the norm. In Europe there are gay people, women are allowed to wear what they want, people are allowed to practice Christianity, people are allowed to practice Judaism, people are allowed to eat pork, people are allowed to drink alcohol and so forth. If all that bothers you, Europe may not be the place to come. Excellent point. Also its disgusting to go to Germany for example and start raping the women, cause "they are dressed suggestively". It shows total lack of any culture or normal way of behaving sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elijah Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 But many Muslims live quietly and peaceful. Of course those bigots should go. But how do we do that? It's impossible, unless we make a fourth reich. And if it's impossible, why even thinking about that as a possibility? This answer is for Love Spent too. wishful thinking doesn't help. But something must be done. And things are starting to change. For example there must be close monitoring of the migrants, some checks or smth, cause alot of ISIS supporters entered EU with them. NL is starting to assess if the foreigners (I think even those with citizenship) are integrating within the host society (a social worker does that). There are measures that could be done WITHOUT us turning into the 4th Reich. Its blatantly obvious that smth must be done! Plus I dont understand why there must be such changes done in the refugee camps for the muslims. Like not serving pork. Sorry but in Europe we eat pork. If pork is that crucial maybe they must go to a culture that would cherish such a stupidity like Saudi Arabia or UAE. But yet noone goes there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Spent Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 So Elijah, I'm guessing you're from the NL. What changes have you seen there since the migrant crisis began? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elijah Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 I m from Bulgaria. I simply read on NL changes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genevieve Vavance Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 this all has to do with the rise of Nihilism in the world. Nietzsche predicted it, I can only recommend reading his books, he predicted the WWII but history is repeating itself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karbatal Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 Peple are being monitored all the time. Right now there are thousands of people in a country alone just being monitored, controlled. But you cannot control everything unless you create a militare state. Really guys, we'd better get used some how to this or we are going to give for free all our freedom to the first mogul that starts spreading fast solutions! Be careful! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karbatal Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 This thread is getting really difficult to follow, from the NWO, to Hegel and now Nietsczhe! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genevieve Vavance Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 Add Madonna too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karbatal Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 Remember the message of Ghosttown, girls! Remember Forbbiden Love confessions! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elijah Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 Ahh okay. I visited Sofia years ago with friends. We only had 3 days there, clearly not enough! Yes. And now is better than few years ago too (I think). Where are u from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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