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Hab ich gar nicht mitbekommen! Wieso?

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This is Saxonia. The federal state of Germany that has many citizens that are anti immigration or xenophobic although they have a relatively low amount of refugees and immigrants. It is the state that has the biggest following of neo nazi organizations and the AFD (alternative for Germany) party. Which was basically an anti Euro (the currency) party in the beginning and the bigger they grew became very right wing like defending the traditional family and stuff. Now they are mainly anti immigration / anti refugees and that's why they got quite many votes during recent elections. Of course many voters did just vote for them because they are anti establishment and elites: translation: they don't like the current politics. Back to Saxonia. Those demonstrators call everyone who is pro refugees a traitor. Nothing new. They called Merkel and other politicians the same. But the problem here seems that calling the German president, the highest office in Germany, a traitor may be even illegal. I think there is some law.

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Which is (or are) the unofficial Neo-Nazi parties in Germany now? NPD?

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This is Saxonia. The federal state of Germany that has many citizens that are anti immigration or xenophobic although they have a relatively low amount of refugees and immigrants. It is the state that has the biggest following of neo nazi organizations and the AFD (alternative for Germany) party. Which was basically an anti Euro (the currency) party in the beginning and the bigger they grew became very right wing like defending the traditional family and stuff. Now they are mainly anti immigration / anti refugees and that's why they got quite many votes during recent elections. Of course many voters did just vote for them because they are anti establishment and elites: translation: they don't like the current politics. Back to Saxonia. Those demonstrators call everyone who is pro refugees a traitor. Nothing new. They called Merkel and other politicians the same. But the problem here seems that calling the German president, the highest office in Germany, a traitor may be even illegal. I think there is some law.

Danke. Very predictable. Sadly this xenophobic scum is on the rise all through Europe...

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I was in Saxonia last year with my parents for citytravel in Dreden. Its a beautiful city with architecture,

but its people were horrible.

My mother and sister were verbally abused of being black colored head !

I wanted to call the police but my father said no. Me and my family felt horrible and uncomfortable. Thank god nothing bad happened.

The nationalism and racism in Dresden is very high sadly. I dont think I will ever go there again.

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I was in Saxonia last year with my parents for citytravel in Dreden. Its a beautiful city with architecture,

but its people were horrible.

My mother and sister were verbally abused of being black colored head !

I wanted to call the police but my father said no. Me and my family felt horrible and uncomfortable. Thank god nothing bad happened.

The nationalism and racism in Dresden is very high sadly. I dont think I will ever go there again.

And so was their beloved Adolf....

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I was in Saxonia last year with my parents for citytravel in Dreden. Its a beautiful city with architecture,

but its people were horrible.

My mother and sister were verbally abused of being black colored head !

I wanted to call the police but my father said no. Me and my family felt horrible and uncomfortable. Thank god nothing bad happened.

The nationalism and racism in Dresden is very high sadly. I dont think I will ever go there again.

I hear this happens mostly in the former East Germany counties. I have friends in Germany and they've been telling me that since the reunification happened. It seems Nazism never really stopped there.

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I hear this happens mostly in the former East Germany counties. I have friends in Germany and they've been telling me that since the reunification happened. It seems Nazism never really stopped there.

Its almost a rule in Post-socialist countries.

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Its almost a rule in Post-socialist countries.

yes, it seems to me, that because of the nacism being the strongest ideology against comunism back in the day, some feel it was/is positive...

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I hear this happens mostly in the former East Germany counties. I have friends in Germany and they've been telling me that since the reunification happened. It seems Nazism never really stopped there.

It happens everywhere in Germany. The problem is that those anti refugee demonstrations organized by the AFD take place in Dresden and they usually get a lot of attention. Unfortunately the city of Dresden has some politicians that lack some balls and don't try to stop this. Okay, it is in the constituation of Germany that people have the right to congregate. So it's really difficult from a legal point of view to refuse a permission for a demonstration. And in all fairness there are always counter demonstrations. But other cities are more clever. When there were similar demonstrations in Berlin and Cologne officials turned off the lights on major sights, like Brandenburg Gate and Cologne Cathedral because they didn't want them to obuse the images of those national monuments.

The information Nazism never really stopped there is kind of false. Keep in mind that Dresden was part of the former GDR and they were actively fighting everything that was nazi and fascism. It was state policy. This doesn't mean that those ideas were not in some peoples heads. You can find them everywhere. But the truth is that Western Germany did way less after the war to punish former Nazis that were part of the army, the SS, the justice system, doctors. Hardly anyone was put in prison. Instead they were welcome back, even in the new government.

I would like to argue that the reason why East Germans tend to appear more xenophobic is socio political. Contrary to Western Germany which had continous immigration from people all over the world for various reason, East Germany only had people from Cuba, Chile, Vietnam, Mozambique which were bascially there for political reasons and for work. The intergration of these people never happened. They lived in their own appartment buildings and hardly any contact to the citizens existed. Of course you had international students at universities. But let's face it, these are members of the intelligencia, which is far more open minded.

I would like to add that Dresdeners may have inferiority issues as well. That goes back before the fall of The Wall. The area was called "Valley of the clueless" because of its location in a valley they could only see East German television. Keep in mind there was only terrestrial. Cable or satellite did not exist. They had no idea about the realities in West Germany and did truly believe it was all shiny and gold in the West. It made perfect sense for West German politicians of the CDU to go there first. They hijacked the civil rights movement that originally wanted to change the country for the better. And all of a sudden they were calling for re-unification and everything people were demonstating for was put to rest. It all started in Dresden.

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But the truth is that Western Germany did way less after the war to punish former Nazis that were part of the army, the SS, the justice system, doctors. Hardly anyone was put in prison. Instead they were welcome back, even in the new government.

can you elaborate this? really interesting all the things you say!

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. But the truth is that Western Germany did way less after the war to punish former Nazis that were part of the army, the SS, the justice system, doctors. Hardly anyone was put in prison. Instead they were welcome back, even in the new government.

Plus the hundreds of scientists that were sent to the US under ' Operation Paperclip'. Etc.

For those who have never heard of the secret project:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Overcast

It's really facinating.

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can you elaborate this? really interesting all the things you say!

I think the reason behind it was that Western Germany was much more pragmatic in rebuilding the country and its society. The problem after the war was that besides all the physical destruction all what a state makes based on its organization was destroyed as well. Since many men did not return from war because they died on the battlefields, they were killed in concentration camps, they were prisoners of war in the Soviet Union or exiled before the war you had to employ the ones that were left. And many of those had Nazi links. Of course, after the war many did not reveal or told the truth when asked what they did during the war. (You know, just like many Germans didn't want to have been aware about concentration camps.) And how could you find evidence about their involvements in that time and people were obviously busy doing more important things. I mean we are not talking about war criminals or big Nazi party honchos here. Many many years later, journalists found out and revealed the identities of a lot of people that were part of the government under Adenauer, justices, chief doctors etc. that had Nazi ties. I don't think officials deliberately swept things under a rug. It's rather turning a blind eye. GB, France, US did not really force Western Germany to start a greater investigation because they needed Western Germany as an ally against the Soviet union and German citizens certainly didn't want to adress the past at that point. They simply wanted peace.

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Plus the hundreds of scientists that were sent to the US under ' Operation Paperclip'. Etc.

Wiki it, for those who have never heard of the

secret project. It's really facinating.

Wernher von Braun. The whole rocket program of the U.S. was more or less based on German scientists. V2 anyone?

Another thing many people may not know is that the U.S. transferred almost all German technological patents and industry secrets to the U.S. as part of reparations. The value of those patents was an estimated 10 billion dollars (in 1945!).

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It happens everywhere in Germany. The problem is that those anti refugee demonstrations organized by the AFD take place in Dresden and they usually get a lot of attention. Unfortunately the city of Dresden has some politicians that lack some balls and don't try to stop this. Okay, it is in the constituation of Germany that people have the right to congregate. So it's really difficult from a legal point of view to refuse a permission for a demonstration. And in all fairness there are always counter demonstrations. But other cities are more clever. When there were similar demonstrations in Berlin and Cologne officials turned off the lights on major sights, like Brandenburg Gate and Cologne Cathedral because they didn't want them to obuse the images of those national monuments.

The information Nazism never really stopped there is kind of false. Keep in mind that Dresden was part of the former GDR and they were actively fighting everything that was nazi and fascism. It was state policy. This doesn't mean that those ideas were not in some peoples heads. You can find them everywhere. But the truth is that Western Germany did way less after the war to punish former Nazis that were part of the army, the SS, the justice system, doctors. Hardly anyone was put in prison. Instead they were welcome back, even in the new government.

I would like to argue that the reason why East Germans tend to appear more xenophobic is socio political. Contrary to Western Germany which had continous immigration from people all over the world for various reason, East Germany only had people from Cuba, Chile, Vietnam, Mozambique which were bascially there for political reasons and for work. The intergration of these people never happened. They lived in their own appartment buildings and hardly any contact to the citizens existed. Of course you had international students at universities. But let's face it, these are members of the intelligencia, which is far more open minded.

I would like to add that Dresdeners may have inferiority issues as well. That goes back before the fall of The Wall. The area was called "Valley of the clueless" because of its location in a valley they could only see East German television. Keep in mind there was only terrestrial. Cable or satellite did not exist. They had no idea about the realities in West Germany and did truly believe it was all shiny and gold in the West. It made perfect sense for West German politicians of the CDU to go there first. They hijacked the civil rights movement that originally wanted to change the country for the better. And all of a sudden they were calling for re-unification and everything people were demonstating for was put to rest. It all started in Dresden.

Thanks. However, can we agree that, despite Neo-Nazi gatherings have been happening all over the country, the whole thing started basically in the former DDR and then gradually spread throughout the country, no? After all, there has been a considerable migration - people move and they carry their beliefs along.

When I say Nazism never stopped, I mean it's a feeling, a belief, that never ceased to exist, despite everything. DDR was occupied by the former USSR, then oppressed and isolated, but such isolation actually provided the perfect environment. The thing was silently passed on, in a familial fashion, to just only one, maybe two generations. After the tumbling of the Wall, people again felt free to show their true colors, to practice what they've been taught by their parents and grandparents.

You see, bullying a tourist for having black hair is not a socio-political issue at all. It's purely racism.

I went to 'West Germany' a few times in the mid-to-late eighties, I spent a good deal of time there. I know that things happened, particularly it seems in Bavaria - which is close to Saxony. Friends would tell me about that. But it was very, very rare. Not the way it's happening now.

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