BREXIT vote aftermath

[Rebel Saviour]

Theresa May met Matteo Renzi today in Rome:

[Guest Rachelle of London]

I'm deciding on places to move to if things go tits up.

[karbatal]

I don't know exactly what the UK can offer economically to the EU,I'm sure they produce a lot of things that I don't know about,but they can't leave the union and be treated as good as they were treated before.the most important economies from the union are germany,france and italy's,I don't know where the UK was when they were in.

They are a big market for lots of things. The British are millions and millions and their main market is the EU. For example, Opel is now deciding if they start making a new line of cars in Zaragoza (my city) depending on the Brexit because the UK is one of the main market for that car.

As GU says, a good deal between parts will benefit both. The other side of the story is that if the UK gets a good deal, then other countries will want to leave the EU, so it will all depend on what Brussels, France and Germany think about it.

[pieciolot]

And what exactly that "good deal" would be?

[promise to try]

"As GU says, a good deal between parts will benefit both. The other side of the story is that if the UK gets a good deal, then other countries will want to leave the EU, so it will all depend on what Brussels, France and Germany think about it. "

if they give them a good deal, that´s the end of the union.And opel also sells a lot in the union, I guess they will have to keep the factory in the EU, and create another one in the UK, if they don´t have it already.

[promise to try]

And what exactly that "good deal" would be?

the one that they have now!!!!!

[sotos8]

and that would be IMO the biggest scandal of all,if the citizens of the UK decide one thinv,but the markets decide that they can't do it...I alreadt think that we live in th dictatorship of the market,not in a real democracy,but this would be a huge scandal

it won't be the first ignored referendum.it happened again!

[karbatal]

the one that they have now!!!!!

[promise to try]

it won't be the first ignored referendum.it happened again!

really? which one? wow

[sotos8]

really? which one? wow

In fact, the European Union as we know it today was built on a series of rejections of public votes. When the Danes in 1992 declined to accept the Maastricht Treaty — which paved the way for a more integrated political union — the European Union made some concessions and then staged a second referendum in which voters finally approved of it. The same happened in 2001, when the Irish rejected the so-called Nice Treaty as the bloc expanded eastward, and in 2008 when they opposed another treaty over further E.U. integration.

Last year, Greek voters rejected bailout conditions proposed to the country by the European Union. But the leftist government in Athens ended up agreeing to most of those conditions anyway.

Earlier this year, the Dutch voted against closer ties between the E.U. and Ukraine — a decision that was interpreted as a backlash against the hard-line stances of many E.U. governments toward Russia. The Dutch government is now considering simply ignoring the outcome of this referendum.

In 2008, Ireland threw the EU into chaos when it became the only country to hold a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty – and voters rejected it by a majority of 53 per cent. In order for the treaty to become law, it had to be ratified by all member states.

Amid concern that attempts to streamline and formalise the workings of the EU were being held up by one relatively small member state, Irish and EU politicians urged people to think again. A new referendum was held in 2009 and this time 67 per cent of voters backed the treaty.

[Gaudet]

Theresa May met Matteo Renzi today in Rome:

The fucking Marmite and finocchiona salame.

[pieciolot]

This morning Lloyds announced plans to axe 3000 jobs and blames it on Brexit.

[Guest Rachelle of London]

Lloyds have been in trouble for years. They announced they were gonna close all their branches about 5 years ago and move to online banking only. It was around the time they broke away from TSB.

[elijah]

This morning Lloyds announced plans to axe 3000 jobs and blames it on Brexit.

They ll blame Brexit for socially unpopular measures like they did with the Crisis in 2009.

[Guest Rachelle of London]

They've literally had it in the pipeline for years. I had a current account with Lloyds TSB and was notified this years ago. They even closed my local branch and loads around the country back then. They were always going to become an online bank

[Guest]

Believe me this has nothing to do with Brexit. I have insider information and these plans have been around for years!

[Rebel Saviour]

The fucking Marmite and finocchiona salame.

Both rule their respective countries, without being elected. Interesting coincidence....

[karbatal]

Hahaha

[promise to try]

They ll blame Brexit for socially unpopular measures like they did with the Crisis in 2009.

yes, I´m sure now all the unpopular decitions will be brexit´s fault, as they blamed before the EU (it happens the same in spain)

[Guest Mauro]

Foreign Byron burger staff 'have gone into hiding': 150 'disappear' as immigration officials KICK 35 workers out of the country after raiding a pre-organised training day

• On 4 July Border Force officials turned up at a Byron Burger training day
• Employees were called in and asked to show their 'right to work' papers
• 35 people from Brazil, Albania, Egypt and Nepal now face deportation
• Home Office says Byron co-operated and will not face penalties like a fine
• Several sources claim that up to 150 foreign workers may be in hiding

Up to 150 foreign Byron burger staff may have gone into hiding today after 35 colleagues were rounded up in an immigration sting allegedly set up by the company.

Workers at 15 restaurants in London were lured to work at 9.30am on July 4 on the pretence of a health and safety meeting only to come face to face with border force staff.

The Home Office confirmed last night that 35 employees from Albania, Brazil, Nepal and Egypt were held in early morning raids and face deportation.

Byron will not face penalties, including a huge fine of around £10,000 per illegal worker, because it gave the Home Office its 'full co-operation'.

According to the campaign group 'SHAME on BYRON - No one is Illegal' up to 150 other staff have now gone into hiding fearing they might be thrown out of Britain.

Picket lines are planned for many restaurants next week and critics have decided to leave scathing one star reviews on Byron's Facebook page accusing the chain of exploitation.

Escalation: Byron and the Home Office today refused to comment on claims that up to 150 workers are in hiding after 35 colleagues from London restaurants, Fulham branch pictured today, were caught in an immigration sting allegedly set up by the company

Anger: An official online protest group set up has promised pickets at Byron restaurants next week over the immigration arrests

Backlash: Some critics have left 1 star reviews on the official Byron Facebook page to accuse them of exploitation

The workers, who had allegedly obtained jobs using false documents, were interviewed and arrested on suspicion of breaching immigration laws.

Byron and the Home Office both refused to comment on today's claim that up to 150 staff have vanished.

Denial: Byron, which was founded by Tom Byng, says it did not 'set up staff' - but the Home Office has said the arrests were carried out ‘with the full co-operation of the business’

Protesters are calling for people to boycott the popular chain - known as the the bourgeois Burger King - over the border row, with pickets planned for branches in London and Bristol.

Byron has yet to respond to accusations that workers were ‘set up’ and the Home Office has dismissed claims of a sting.

However, the government department confirmed the immigration raids on July 4 were carried out ‘with the full co-operation of the business’.

The Home Office said Byron carried out the correct documentation checks on staff members, but fell for counterfeits. This means the firm is not liable to face any penalties, including a huge fine.

A Facebook page set up to support the workers says Byron had 'used' the people for years before handing them over to the Home Office.

The Shame on Byron group say on their Facebook page: 'Those deported were mostly Latin American workers. It is not clear what kind of shock and hardship their families in London are now experiencing, or whether the workers were paid their wages or any monies owed by the company.

'Some of the deported workers had worked for Byron for four years. Byron were happy to use them all that time and then discard them and ruin lives overnight.

'We stand in solidarity with the deported Byron workers and all migrant workers - papers or no papers.

'No human being is illegal. No one is disposable. Byron have acted shamefully and have made an example of themselves as a deeply disrespectful employer. Our protest aims to shine a spotlight on this unethical behaviour, deter it from happening anywhere else, and to support workers still working at the restaurants to resist exploitation'.

The hashtag #boycottbyron is now trending on Twitter with people posting a variety of opinions.

Abi Wilkinson wrote: 'Never, ever eating at @byronhamburgers again and would encourage others to make same decision. Craven, despicable behaviour #boycottbyron.'

But Jimmy James wrote: 'If its staff were in the country illegally then so they should have been deported. Well done Byron for assisting. I won't #boycottbyron.'

Byron Burger has become a beacon for young foodies increasingly shunning McDonald's and Burger King for boutique burger bars

It says it makes 'proper hamburgers' with 'good Scottish beef, ground fresh, cooked medium and served in a squishy bun with fries and a craft beer'.

A protest page on Facebook is organising a demonstration outside a Byron branch in central London on Monday. The demo is co-hosted by a number of groups, including Lesbians and Gays Support the Migrants

Row: Some have accused the chain of 'slavery' - others say it was the workers who duped Byron by showing fake documents

In June 2013 Byron Burger was given acres of free publicity when the then Chancellor of the Exchequer, George Osborne, tweeted a picture of himself tucking into a takeaway as he worked late at the Treasury.

Mr Osborne had sought to portray himself as a 'man of the people' but it backfired on him when critics spotted the meal was from the boutique burger chain.

'Well McDonald's doesn't deliver, I was working late in the office,' said Mr Osborne later, in his defence.

The chain has 60 restaurants, 37 in London, and 1,300 employees and made £5million profit last year after a rapid expansion.

Byron Burger told MailOnline: 'We can confirm that several of Byron's London restaurants were visited by representatives of the Home Office.

'These visits resulted in the removal of members of staff who are suspected by the Home Office of not having the right to work in the UK, and of possessing fraudulent personal and right to work documentation that is in breach of immigration and employment regulation.

'The Home Office recognises that Byron as an employer is fully compliant with immigration and asylum law in its employment practices, and that Byron had carried out the correct 'right to work' checks on staff members, but had been shown false/counterfeit documentation.'

The statement goes on to say: 'At Byron we are proud of the diversity of our restaurant teams, built around people of all backgrounds and all walks of life.

'We have co-operated fully and acted upon the Home Office's requests throughout the course of the investigations leading to this action, and will continue to do so.'

A Home Office spokesman said: 'Immigration Enforcement officers carried out intelligence-led visits to a number of Byron restaurants across London on 4 July, arresting 35 people for immigration offences.

'The operation was carried out with the full co-operation of the business.'

Byron Burger has become a beacon for young foodies who consider themselves a touch above McDonald's or Burger King. The then Chancellor George Osborne was famously snapped tucking into one in 2013 (right)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3710977/Foreign-staff-attend-Byron-Burgers-training-day-confronted-Border-Force-officers-kick-35-country-producing-fake-right-work-papers.html#ixzz4FdzjOaEv

[Guest Rachelle of London]

Byron burger should be in trouble for hiring illegal workers. They're too big of a company.

[Guest]

The title of their protest is 'SHAME on BYRON BURGER. Nobody is illegal.'? Of course people are illegal. Do people want a lawless world?

[Apples388]

Look at that twat and the poncey way he's eating that burger though. Fat Tory scum. Good riddance !

[Raider of the lost Ark]

Byron burger should be in trouble for hiring illegal workers. They're too big of a company.

I hopefully they get into a lot of trouble. And people should boycott those restaurants. The fact that they allegedly do not face any fines simply tells me that they threw their staff under the bus. And they had fake documents? How ridiculous is that. As a company it is your responsibilty to make sure those documents are real. It would be interesting to know how they paid those employees. Usually illegal workers are only hired to pay below minimum wage and/or to avoid social fees. And if that is the case, say good bye to Byron Burger. The business should be shut down and the owners should go to prison.

[jonski43]

I hopefully they get into a lot of trouble. And people should boycott those restaurants. The fact that they allegedly do not face any fines simply tells me that they threw their staff under the bus. And they had fake documents? How ridiculous is that. As a company it is your responsibilty to make sure those documents are real. It would be interesting to know how they paid those employees. Usually illegal workers are only hired to pay below minimum wage and/or to avoid social fees. And if that is the case, say good bye to Byron Burger. The business should be shut down and the owners should go to prison.

Why is that and what's the source? I'd be shocked if they got away with it given there are so many. Their HR can't be that naive.

[Guest Mauro]

Byron burgers: Protesters release cockroaches and locusts at London restaurants

The burger chain has faced criticism after the immigration sting. Credit: PA Wire

Cockroaches, locusts and crickets were released into two Byron restaurants in protest against the burger chain's alleged role in an immigration sting against its own staff.

Demonstrators released a "swarm of insects" into Byron’s Shaftesbury Avenue and Holborn diners on Friday evening - forcing the branches to close early.

Activist groups, London Black Revs and Malcolm X Movement, said they had taken "affirmative action" in response to what they called the chain's "despicable actions in the past weeks having entrapped waiters, back of house staff and chefs in collaboration with UK Border Agency".

"Many thousands of live cockroaches, locusts and crickets into these restaurants," they said in a statement on Facebook.

"We apologise to customers and staff for any irritation, however... a line must be drawn and we say, enough is enough. No one is illegal."

A journalist from Huck magazine witnessed the chaos.

HUCK

@HUCKmagazine

Activists release thousands of bugs in a busy London restaurant this weekend.https://t.co/XuhM5jsdId #boycottbyron https://t.co/E6Kvgu01Ob

One of the insects released by the activists Credit: London Black Revs

The insects were thrown into branches at Holborn and Shaftesbury avenue Credit: ITV News

Thirty-five people from Albania, Brazil, Egypt and Nepal were removed by immigration officials earlier in July.

Workers at the restaurant have accused management of organising fake meetings in order to lure the staff into the raid - something the Home Office denies.

The hashtag #BoycottByron is being used to encourage people to buy their burgers elsewhere.

gb

@geeeebeeee

#boycottbyron https://t.co/l1QF65Pq36

Matt Avery

@MattKit

A group of protesters have just shut the Byron I was eating in on Shaftesbury Ave. by throwing a load of cockroaches into the restaurant.

Jack Sprat

@Jacqueimo

Some carefully deployed protest cockroaches seem to have brought a halt to Byron's shaftesbury Ave operations. Lol #boycottbyron

Byron released a statement saying they had "co-operated fully" with the Home Office investigation.

The chain told ITV News on Saturday that it had contacted police about the insect protest.

“The safety of our customers and restaurant teams is paramount, and our priority is now to work with local police to minimise the risk of further incident.”

http://www.itv.com/news/london/2016-07-30/protestors-throw-hundreds-of-cockroaches-into-byron-restaurants/

[cardiganstarlet]

Tangent question but can I just ask what is the current set up for an EU student who wants to study in the UK for either there first degree or masters?

Are they classified as international students or is there a different rate?

[karbatal]

If nobody answer you question, ask Chelle (her name here is The Black Madonna). She wrote some days ago a great post about the university situation.

[Guest Rachelle of London]

Tangent question but can I just ask what is the current set up for an EU student who wants to study in the UK for either there first degree or masters?

Are they classified as international students or is there a different rate?

They're treated the same as UK students so £9,000 a year to study in England.

If you want to study in Scotland you don't pay any tuition fees (English students have to pay in Scotland though) and NI and Wales I believe is £3,000 still.

You can still take out student loads like UK nationals as well and there's some EU bursaries.

[cardiganstarlet]

Thanks!