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I like Bernie Sanders but let's face it he can't win and even if he wins and he is elected he won't do what he promised because the Senate will block him. He's gonna be perfect as Vice President.

As if Hillary would choose him as VP!

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I don't think Bernie even wants to be VP. Everyone always makes VP out to be such a powerful position but really it's nothing big in the political world. You have little power to shape policy, and your office doesn't even become of importance unless the President dies (which has happened only 8x in over 225 years). Cheney probably abused his powers to give the VP role more weight, but really does anyone think Biden is pulling the strings on anything?

I think Hillary should offer him Secretary of the Treasury in her Cabinet. It would show she's serious about reigning in Wall Street and that's his biggest gripe.

I think she should pick Julian or Joaquin Castro for VP.

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Can someone explain to me the difference between delegates and super delegates?

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Yeah, and experts that FOX News brings in certainly have no agendas so they should be believed no matter what. :rolleyes:

And from your very own article link:

the State Department has long faced the problem of how to communicate about sensitive matters. Unlike the CIA, State does most of its business over an unclassified email system, and many officials do not have easy access to a classified messaging system.

I am not even sure why I keep chasing you down this rabbit hole. You obviously believe whatever you want regardless of contradictory facts. It's no wonder you are repeatedly bringing sources from conservative news analysts and media.

Because a former SoS is the target of multiple ongoing investigations, both criminal and civil, related to the server as well as violation of public corruption statutes, and her closest aides are being ordered to testify on the matter under oath (likely to be subpoenaed?), maybe ? Reporters and the White House can spin, the AG and FBI can get upset, Clinton can keep giving the same carefully nuanced, canned responses re: "classified" markings which don't exist in reality, at the end of the day, as the head of a federal agency with access to classified information she is expected to recognize and protect it. If she didn't realize that these emails were sensitive, secret or top secret, or didn't act to protect the information after assessing it correctly, she is either incompetent or feels that she is above the rules for handling classified information. If this were on the other side and a Republican was involved in a case being closely monitored by the head of the FBI backed up by educated opinion from government officials, former government officials, national security personnel and former national security personnel, yeah I do think there would clearly be enough to indict that candidate already and take this to trial. :newspaper:

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The first 2 posts in this thread go over the heads of 95% of this board; bravo, GetUnconscious.

:chuckle: Everything is so goddamn serious to them.

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Guest Rachelle of London

Hilary needs not to hang out with the kardashians. :lmao:

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Madonna normally has something to say about the Presidential election. Why hasn't she this time?

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Guest Rachelle of London

Mercy has. She was wearing a Hillary Clinton badge at Christmas. Queen Mercy!!!!

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Mercy has. She was wearing a Hillary Clinton badge at Christmas. Queen Mercy!!!!

Ooooh. Can't wait for Mercy's debut album.

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I don't think Bernie even wants to be VP. Everyone always makes VP out to be such a powerful position but really it's nothing big in the political world. You have little power to shape policy, and your office doesn't even become of importance unless the President dies (which has happened only 8x in over 225 years). Cheney probably abused his powers to give the VP role more weight, but really does anyone think Biden is pulling the strings on anything?

I think Hillary should offer him Secretary of the Treasury in her Cabinet. It would show she's serious about reigning in Wall Street and that's his biggest gripe.

I think she should pick Julian or Joaquin Castro for VP.

Often times the Vice President is later elected president. Might not mean as much to Bernie though because of his age.

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Can someone explain to me the difference between delegates and super delegates?

Delegates are what is awarded to candidates based on the popular vote. Super Delegates are extra special sooper dooper important type people who are totally cool with their vote meaning more than the average Jane's because they're so smart and special.

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Because a former SoS is the target of multiple ongoing investigations, both criminal and civil,

Please provide evidence that Hillary is - herself - currently under criminal investigation. And from an official source, please. Not a conservative blog or ex-CIA person.

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Often times the Vice President is later elected president. Might not mean as much to Bernie though because of his age.

Of 44 Presidencies, only 14 VPs have ever succeeded their President. Not sure 31% is considered often, but yeah Bernie's age makes that unlikely.

I am actually surprised how many people don't consider Bernie's age a big deal. Not that he appears to be in bad health, but considering how much the Presidency ages people, I'd be surprised if he'd even have the stamina for 2 terms. Reagan was 70 when he became President and he was already showing signs of senility at the end of his first term, and had pretty much checked out in his second term. And Bernie is already 5 years past that age.

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Please provide evidence that Hillary is - herself - currently under criminal investigation. And from an official source, please. Not a conservative blog or ex-CIA person.

Well, of course the agencies involved cannot publicly acknowledge the scope or focus of a specific case so it is impossible to know from the outside at any point in time whether Hillary herself is a "subject" or "target" (she is not a witness) of the investigation (s). Whether close aides and advisers end up taking the fall for her own self serving actions is another story... I was only trying to make the point that the the server and perhaps other probes are certainly criminal as opposed to a plaintiff bringing a civil suit, which the FBI and DOJ only handle under limited circumstances in any case. :(

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That clip of that white man punching the black protestor in the face at a Trump rally is vile!!!

His excuse was the he could have been Isis, and next time he might have to kill him.

He has since been arrested and charged with assault.

Welcome to Trump's America.

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This is my understanding, based on an analyses by the site PredictWise. Please jump in and correct me if I'm wrong.

The media hype is that Bernie's win in Michigan has changed the race. But basically, he can't win. Taking out the super delgates and focusing on pledged delegates ONLY, Predict Wise hypothesizes a scenario in which Hillary suddenly has a horrible stretch. Mind you, this would be a stretch far worse than what she is likely to endure. In this hypotheses, they use as examples states like Illinois, Arizona, Pennsylvania, and Connecticut where she is favored to win, and they say: what if those became toss ups? Then they hypothesize that, in addition to that, what if she were to get creamed in the west and lose in states like WA by 30 points? And what if she won New York, but only by 8 points? So they put forth this imagined scenario of HRC having a horrible streak that is highly unlikely to occur, and claim that even in that case, she would STILL win and win comfortably. Based on pledged delegates and not super delegates.

How could Sanders possibly win? I guess he'd have to take NY, CA, and FL by landslides and shut her out everywhere else?

I'm interested in what people think. Does anyone actually think he could still win? Do you think his campaign truly believes he could win? Or are they just going to go all the way in order to push his platform?

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I'm a huge Bernie supporter and I never thought he had a chance of winning.

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This is my understanding, based on an analyses by the site PredictWise. Please jump in and correct me if I'm wrong.

The media hype is that Bernie's win in Michigan has changed the race. But basically, he can't win. Taking out the super delgates and focusing on pledged delegates ONLY, Predict Wise hypothesizes a scenario in which Hillary suddenly has a horrible stretch. Mind you, this would be a stretch far worse than what she is likely to endure. In this hypotheses, they use as examples states like Illinois, Arizona, Pennsylvania, and Connecticut where she is favored to win, and they say: what if those became toss ups? Then they hypothesize that, in addition to that, what if she were to get creamed in the west and lose in states like WA by 30 points? And what if she won New York, but only by 8 points? So they put forth this imagined scenario of HRC having a horrible streak that is highly unlikely to occur, and claim that even in that case, she would STILL win and win comfortably. Based on pledged delegates and not super delegates.

How could Sanders possibly win? I guess he'd have to take NY, CA, and FL by landslides and shut her out everywhere else?

I'm interested in what people think. Does anyone actually think he could still win? Do you think his campaign truly believes he could win? Or are they just going to go all the way in order to push his platform?

Over at 538, I think Nate Silver said something like Bernie has to win all the remaining contests by 67% or more in order to overcome Hillary's regular delegate lead. Obviously that's a very tall order. Of course, Nate's poll aggregator also had Hillary winning Michigan by 20+ points and she lost it by -2. However, I think Bernie winning everything left by 67% or more is highly unlikely. Maybe if something really terrible happened to Hillary like a legit scandal (not Benghazi or this supposed Emailgate) or if the Democratic establishment abandoned her?

Politics is strange these days, however. Personally, I will admit I'd give Bernie a 1 in 25 chance of winning the nomination which is better odds than most pundits give him. He's still running to lead a party that he basically joined a year ago. Clinton still has the connection, history, and is the party favorite. I definitely believe his campaign thinks he can win (they are still hoping for some massive Obama-like phenom voter turnout which hasn't really happened yet).

I think if Clinton had won Michigan this week - plus the Super Tuesday states next week - Bernie would see the writing on the wall and probably drop out in April. However, the win in Michigan gave him hope that he can peel off Ohio, Missouri and maybe even Illinois next week. And it just might do that although the might-be-wins will still be by close margins.

I am not sure what staying in the race would do for him if he loses most of the states next week. Sure, he can still hammer Clinton on her Wall Street ties and speeches, but what good what that do him if he has no path to the nomination? In fact, it would help Trump. I like Bernie, but staying in just to damage Clinton further only helps Republicans. I hope he's smart enough to know that.

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I'm interested in what people think. Does anyone actually think he could still win? Do you think his campaign truly believes he could win? Or are they just going to go all the way in order to push his platform?

At this point all I give a shit about is the republican nominee being defeated.

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Bernie has no chance of winning. The longer he stays in the race, the better. He makes the liar tell the truth.

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Delegates are what is awarded to candidates based on the popular vote. Super Delegates are extra special sooper dooper important type people who are totally cool with their vote meaning more than the average Jane's because they're so smart and special.

I still don't get what a super delegate is! Lol

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I'm a huge Bernie supporter and I never thought he had a chance of winning.

That's rather defeatist.

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That's rather defeatist.

If Sanders brought up the scandal he would be president...and that's according to HuffPo. Never say never, especially this year. :p

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/why-did-hillary-clinton-need-a-private-server-the-answer-makes-bernie-sanders-president_b_9397304.html

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/03/11/source-clinton-it-specialist-revealing-server-details-to-fbi-devastating-witness.html?intcmp=hpbt1

Source: Clinton IT specialist revealing server details to FBI, 'devastating witness'

Former Hillary Clinton IT specialist Bryan Pagliano, a key witness in the email probe who struck an immunity deal with the Justice Department, has told the FBI a range of details about how her personal email system was set up, according to an intelligence source close to the case who called him a “devastating witness.”

The source said Pagliano told the FBI who had access to the former secretary of state’s system – as well as when – and what devices were used, amounting to a roadmap for investigators. "Bryan Pagliano is a devastating witness and, as the webmaster, knows exactly who had access to [Clinton's] computer and devices at specific times. His importance to this case cannot be over-emphasized," the intelligence source said.

The intelligence source said the FBI is "extremely focused" on the 22 “top secret” emails deemed too damaging to national security to publicly release under any circumstances, with agents reviewing those sent by Clinton as well her subordinates including former chief of staff Cheryl Mills."Mrs. Clinton sending them in this instance would show her intent much more than would receiving [them],” the source said. "Hillary Clinton was at a minimum grossly negligent in her handling of NDI [National Defense Information] materials merely by her insisting that she utilize a private server versus a [u.S. government] server. Remember, NDI does not have to be classified." According to the Congressional Research Service, NDI is broadly defined to include “information that they have reason to know could be used to harm the national security.”

Doesn't mean that she will be charged, indicted and forced to drop out of the race, but it may mean this is not going as well for her as Clinton continues to insist it is. And "gross negligence" is actually a legal standard under which she could be judged in her handling of classified (or NDI etc) information. :newspaper:

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I'm really disappointed by Hillary's comments about AIDS and the vile woman Nancy Reagan. She's apologized and saying she "misspoke" but it's just not good...very foolish and inaccurate thing to say. I hate when she does shit like this - time and time again she manages to fuck herself up by saying something dumb. Her campaign needs to get their shit together.

http://gawker.com/hillary-clintons-reagan-aids-revisionism-is-shocking-i-1764346878

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I'm really disappointed by Hillary's comments about AIDS and the vile woman Nancy Reagan. She's apologized and saying she "misspoke" but it's just not good...very foolish and inaccurate thing to say. I hate when she does shit like this - time and time again she manages to fuck herself up by saying something dumb. Her campaign needs to get their shit together.

http://gawker.com/hillary-clintons-reagan-aids-revisionism-is-shocking-i-1764346878

Ugh. C'mon Hillary. You know, it's dumb shit like this that makes it hard to defend her sometimes. I don't even know why she'd do this unless she's trying to appeal to center-right voters and who honestly thinks a statement like this would sway their vote?

You know, there are days where I think if Bernie were to win (and I still think he probably won't), it would be her own damn fault for fucking up a Presidency that was being handed to her on a silver platter.

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That's rather defeatist.

Welcome the U.S political system:

Adlai Stevenson

JFK (assassinated)

Jimmy Carter (lost to Reagan in 2nd term)

Walter Modale

Michael Dukakis

John Kerry

Stevenson said it best:

news reporter: Mr. Stevenson, every thinking American will vote for you

Stevenson: Yes, but unfortunately I need a majority.

:mellow:

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Welcome the U.S political system:

Adlai Stevenson

JFK (assassinated)

Jimmy Cater (lost to Reagan in 2nd term)

Walter Modale

Michael Dukakis

John Kerry

Stevenson said it best:

news reporter: Mr. Stevenson, every thinking American will vote for you

Stevenson: Yes, but unfortunately I need a majority.

:mellow:

Yikes.

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Good lord Hillary. Sometimes she is her own worst enemy.

Her comments about Nancy being this AIDS activist is a HUGE WTF moment!!!!!!!!????

It's bad enough republicans try and rewrite history making Ronald Reagan seem like this AMAZING President on the level of the best we ever had. We don't need the same kind of bullshit from Hillary.

I swear since she is more then likely the nominee she better not f*ck this up.

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All hell breaking loose at what was going to be Trump's rally. Thousands of protestors stopped it from happening and made it into the building.

You reap what you sow. This is a man that has run a campaign on NOTHING hate bigotry, hate and racism and has incited violence. This is what you get. This is Trump's America.

And shame on anyone that would waste their vote on some no name just because they don't like Hillary possibly giving this man the White House. As a Bernie supporter I am disgusted by his other supporters who refuse to vote if he isn't the nominee.

Trump thanks you.

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