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2 types of delegates, pledged delegates and superdelegates. Pledged delegates are bound by the results of the primary elections for their states, while superdelegates are party officials who can vote however they wish (Bill and Hillary Clinton are both superdelegates, Bernie Sanders also became a superdelegate once he changed his party affiliation from Independent to Democratic last year, being a sitting Senator).

Superdelegates usually back whoever leads in pledged delegates, as they did in 2008 when they switched from supporting Clinton to Obama after he pulled ahead of her in pledged delegates - even Bill and Hillary Clinton both ended up voting for Obama in their capacity as superdelegates in that election. Clinton currently leads Sanders by over 200 in pledged delegates (and then has over 400 superdelegates on her side) so he needs to make up that pledged delegate difference in order to make the case for superdelegate support to switch over to him. They don't have to, but it would essentially be conceding the election for them to give her the nomination if he actually manages to make up that difference, due to the turmoil it would cause within the party.

They could theoretically switch over to Sanders even if he doesn't make up that difference, but the superdelegates are the kind of political figures that would be loyal to Clinton and the party machine, and unlikely to switch this time without her explicitly directing them to (the difference between Obama and Sanders, since Obama had a lot of support within the establishment of the Democratic party which didn't have much problem backing him).

Thanks a lot sweetie, very interesting mechanism, it's much clearer now :thumbsup:

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State Department Consents to Depositions Over Clinton Email Server
Granting request for discovery rare in FOIA cases

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http://freebeacon.com/issues/state-department-consents-to-deposition-clinton-email/

The U.S. State Department reached an agreement with the watchdog group Judicial Watch on Friday that would allow the organization’s attorneys to depose Hillary Clinton’s top aides about the “creation and operation” of her private email server.
The agreement is the latest legal victory for Judicial Watch, which has been suing the State Department for public records related to Hillary Clinton’s tenure as secretary of state. U.S. District Court Judge Emmet Sullivan approved Judicial Watch’s request for discovery last month, a rare move in a Freedom of Information Act case.
Judicial Watch is seeking information on whether Clinton’s email server allowed her and top aides to evade public records laws and whether State Department officials intentionally obstructed efforts to obtain public information.
The watchdog group has asked to depose Clinton’s top advisers, Huma Abedin and Cheryl Mills, State Department official Patrick Kennedy, and other senior officials.
The State Department consented to this in its joint discovery agreement with Judicial Watch on Friday. However, the watchdog group did remove Donald Reid, an official with the department’s security bureau, from its requested witness list.
“The scope of permissible discovery shall be as follows: the creation and operation of clintonemail.com for State Department business,” said the agreement. “[A]s well as the State Department’s approach and practice for processing FOIA requests that potentially implicated former Secretary Clinton’s and Ms. Abedin’s emails and State’s processing of the FOIA request that is the subject of this action.”
Judicial Watch also agreed that the State Department could request up to three business days to review any recorded depositions or transcripts and “if necessary, to seek an order precluding public release, quotation or paraphrase of any inadvertently disclosed classified information,” including information about ongoing FBI probes. The FBI has been investigating whether classified information was improperly transmitted over Clinton’s server.
Judge Sullivan will still have to approve the proposal before it can go forward. According to the agreement, Judicial Watch would have eight weeks after Judge Sullivan’s approval to complete the discovery process, but could request an extension if necessary.
The proposal also specified that Judicial Watch could not seek information outside the scope of its initial discovery request, including “on matters unrelated to whether State conducted an adequate search in response to Plaintiff’s FOIA request.” Judicial Watch’s lawsuit in this case is seeking information related to Huma Abedin’s employment status, although the group will not be able to request that information through the discovery process.
Judicial Watch has now been granted discovery in two public records lawsuits against the State Department. Late last month, U.S. District Court Judge Royce Lamberth also agreed to allow “limited discovery,” citing “evidence of government wrong-doing and bad faith.”

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So Bernie might win New York tomorrow after all.

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Remember someone like a page ago posted a link about how it was virtually impossible for Bernie to win? :lmao:

Poll: Sanders gains on Clinton, trails by 2 points

(CNN)Hillary Clinton holds just a two-point lead over Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders nationally in the Democratic presidential race, a new poll shows.

An NBC News/Wall Street Journal survey released Monday has Clinton at 50% support to Sanders' 48% -- down from Clinton's nine-point advantage in the same poll one month ago.

Since more than half of all Democratic voters have already taken part in their states' contests, the national numbers are a limited gauge of where the race stands.

New York is set to hold a key primary on Tuesday, and Clinton is favored by a larger margin there, giving her an opportunity to build her lead among both delegates and in the popular vote.

A Sanders win in New York, though, could shift the tide of the race before five East Coast states vote the following week.

The national poll found Clinton with a 15-point advantage among women, 57% to 42% -- down from a 20-point lead earlier this year. Sanders leads among men, 58% to 41%.

Clinton also leads among minority voters, 59% to 41%, a decline from her 30-point advantage in previous NBC News/Wall Street Journal polls.

Clinton's strongest group is those 50 and older. With them, she leads 62% to 35%. Sanders, meanwhile, is up 66% to 34% among those ages 18 to 49.

The survey of 339 Democratic primary voters nationally was conducted April 10-14, and includes a margin of error of plus or minus 5.3 percentage points.

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/04/18/politics/poll-hillary-clinton-leads-bernie-sanders-by-2-points/

:lmao:

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Even if (or when) Hillary wins, she's BARELY winning against someone who was a nobody literally 5 months ago.

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Guest Rachelle of London

So all these billionaire donors that pay Hillary thousands a pop to speak, how will she repay them when she gets back in office?

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You mean if she becomes president??

They expect her to work in their favor somehow.

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Guest Rachelle of London

You mean if she becomes president??

They expect her to work in their favor somehow.

Yeah, if she does become president.

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They don't expect her to write them a check back. But She will be in a position where she can approve/disapprove/overlook things towards their favor.

If you gave me a million £ (which you should 😁) you'd expect me to do things for your benefit of I become someone. No?

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Guest Rachelle of London

They don't expect her to write them a check back. But She will be in a position where she can approve/disapprove/overlook things towards their favor.

If you gave me a million £ (which you should 😁) you'd expect me to do things for your benefit of I become someone. No?

Most definitely.

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They don't expect her to write them a check back.

But She will be in a position where she can approve/disapprove/overlook things towards their favor.

Precisely

Those "people" need no money from hers or anyone else. They dispense the money

What they need is for someone to do their bidding when given the chance and position to do so

It isn't a left or right wing concept, it's how things work, sadly

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Remember someone like a page ago posted a link about how it was virtually impossible for Bernie to win? :lmao:

Poll: Sanders gains on Clinton, trails by 2 points

(CNN)Hillary Clinton holds just a two-point lead over Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders nationally in the Democratic presidential race, a new poll shows.

An NBC News/Wall Street Journal survey released Monday has Clinton at 50% support to Sanders' 48% -- down from Clinton's nine-point advantage in the same poll one month ago.

Since more than half of all Democratic voters have already taken part in their states' contests, the national numbers are a limited gauge of where the race stands.

New York is set to hold a key primary on Tuesday, and Clinton is favored by a larger margin there, giving her an opportunity to build her lead among both delegates and in the popular vote.

A Sanders win in New York, though, could shift the tide of the race before five East Coast states vote the following week.

The national poll found Clinton with a 15-point advantage among women, 57% to 42% -- down from a 20-point lead earlier this year. Sanders leads among men, 58% to 41%.

Clinton also leads among minority voters, 59% to 41%, a decline from her 30-point advantage in previous NBC News/Wall Street Journal polls.

Clinton's strongest group is those 50 and older. With them, she leads 62% to 35%. Sanders, meanwhile, is up 66% to 34% among those ages 18 to 49.

The survey of 339 Democratic primary voters nationally was conducted April 10-14, and includes a margin of error of plus or minus 5.3 percentage points.

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/04/18/politics/poll-hillary-clinton-leads-bernie-sanders-by-2-points/

:lmao:

Oops

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Most definitely.

great. I'll send you my iban via PM. :p

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Guest Rachelle of London

When I said "repay" I didn't mean her giving back the money. I wasn't being that literal. I meant what would she have to do for those people as a means of repayment.

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Guest Rachelle of London

great. I'll send you my iban via PM. :p

:rotfl:

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So Bernie might win New York tomorrow after all.

He won't because only Democrats can vote -- Independents are disenfranchised in New York, and that is more than 25% of the total electorate. It will probably impact Trump also. I doubt Clinton can win the state in a general election, though. :)

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He won't because only Democrats can vote -- Independents are disenfranchised in New York, and that is more than 25% of the total electorate. It will probably impact Trump also. I doubt Clinton can win the state in a general election, though. :)

No one is disenfranchised. It's just a closed primary. Independents could've easily registered as Democrats before March 25 if they wanted to vote for Bernie. No one told them they couldn't.

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They don't expect her to write them a check back. But She will be in a position where she can approve/disapprove/overlook things towards their favor.

If you gave me a million £ (which you should ) you'd expect me to do things for your benefit of I become someone. No?

Oh, you mean like Obama and every Democrat in Congress that passed Dodd-Frank? Obama received more Wall Street money in 2008 than any other candidate in history (up to that point). It did not impact his decision making.

Millionaires and billionaires give lots of money to every one in the Democratic Party...even Elizabeth Warren when she ran for Senate.

I really don't know why Hillary gets singled out. Y'all got some double standards up in this piece.

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Guest Mauro

Only party members should be choosing their party's nominee. Open primaries are ludicrous.

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No open primaries are not ludicrous. Thanks to a lot of control freak sociopaths, the public only has 2 choices to pick the president from. At the very least we can have a say who these 2 banker whores are. Now if other parties could get in and weren't forced out and silenced, then we can talk about "parties."

The country as a whole should come before a party.

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Remember someone like a page ago posted a link about how it was virtually impossible for Bernie to win? :lmao:

Poll: Sanders gains on Clinton, trails by 2 points

(CNN)Hillary Clinton holds just a two-point lead over Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders nationally in the Democratic presidential race, a new poll shows.

An NBC News/Wall Street Journal survey released Monday has Clinton at 50% support to Sanders' 48% -- down from Clinton's nine-point advantage in the same poll one month ago.

Since more than half of all Democratic voters have already taken part in their states' contests, the national numbers are a limited gauge of where the race stands.

New York is set to hold a key primary on Tuesday, and Clinton is favored by a larger margin there, giving her an opportunity to build her lead among both delegates and in the popular vote.

A Sanders win in New York, though, could shift the tide of the race before five East Coast states vote the following week.

The national poll found Clinton with a 15-point advantage among women, 57% to 42% -- down from a 20-point lead earlier this year. Sanders leads among men, 58% to 41%.

Clinton also leads among minority voters, 59% to 41%, a decline from her 30-point advantage in previous NBC News/Wall Street Journal polls.

Clinton's strongest group is those 50 and older. With them, she leads 62% to 35%. Sanders, meanwhile, is up 66% to 34% among those ages 18 to 49.

The survey of 339 Democratic primary voters nationally was conducted April 10-14, and includes a margin of error of plus or minus 5.3 percentage points.

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/04/18/politics/poll-hillary-clinton-leads-bernie-sanders-by-2-points/

National polls? Lmao!

It's over let go!

:lmao:

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Guest Mauro

No open primaries are not ludicrous. Thanks to a lot of control freak sociopaths, the public only has 2 choices to pick the president from. At the very least we can have a say who these 2 banker whores are. Now if other parties could get in and weren't forced out and silenced, then we can talk about "parties."

The country as a whole should come before a party.

Republicans should not be voting in Democratic primaries and vice versa. I'd be voting for the person on their side that would be the easiest for my side to beat. It's ridiculous. Open primaries don't somehow defeat the two-party system the U.S. currently has.

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Republicans should not be voting in Democratic primaries and vice versa. I'd be voting for the person on their side that would be the easiest for my side to beat. It's ridiculous. Open primaries don't somehow defeat the two-party system the U.S. currently has.

But as I understand it the deadline to change registration in New York was October, the earliest in the country, which is before most people had ever heard of Sanders or other unaffiliated candidates. Whatever you think of closed primaries, overly tight regulations obviously intended to protect incumbents and only those with strong name recognition undermines the integrity of the entire electoral process, and as the mayor of NYC put it, must be fixed.

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HILLARY WINS NY BY ALMOST 20PTS.

ENOUGH SAID.

-SANDERS SPENT WAY MORE MONEY THAN HER IN NY JUST SAYING.

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He won't because only Democrats can vote -- Independents are disenfranchised in New York, and that is more than 25% of the total electorate. It will probably impact Trump also. I doubt Clinton can win the state in a general election, though. :)

Clinton wont win New York in the general election? Are you fucking kidding me? :lmao: Now THAT is a good one. :lmao:

That being said I got SO much shit on The Young Turks page because they were still holding out hope that Bernie could pull an upset in NY and even though I prefer Bernie over Hillary I also like to think I am in touch with reality so I posted how Bernie is not going to win and Hillary pretty much has this in the bag at this point. DAMN the hate responses I got. :lol: Would like to tell these people [MadonnaSweptAway]Not so smug now are ya![/MadonnaSweptAway]

Like I said if anything Bernie I believe has done WAAAAAAYYYYYYY better then most EVER expected him to do. I think he did an excellent job getting his platform out there and inspiring a generation of young people (who would have thought from a man in his 70s?) to open their minds and their hearts in terms of the fact that SOCIALISM is NOT a bad word the way its been made out to be. We now have an up and coming generation that doesn't scoff at the idea of real universal healthcare and leveling the playing field between Main Street and Wall Street. It will still take time but this is going to be our future.

I believe Bernie in many cases has forced Clinton to the left on many issues as well, and when she is elected she will be held accountable for this or I truly believe she will be a 1 term President if she begins to backtrack. I mean lets be real. When she came out in favor of the 15 dollar minimum wage even I was like, "Damn bitch! Did you just decide to jump on this bandwagon 10 seconds ago because I have been paying close attention and you have NEVER come out in favor of the 15 dollar wage!" 12 dollars is all I ever heard her say, which is still a nice boost compared to the crap people make today, but still.

I still think Bernie is going to stick in it for awhile, but I really do hope when he bows out he throws his full support behind Hillary and campaigns for her. I think between Obama on one side and Bernie on the other our first female President is all but assured minus some crazy ass world event that scares people into voting republican.

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That being said I got SO much shit on The Young Turks page because they were still holding out hope that Bernie could pull an upset in NY and even though I prefer Bernie over Hillary I also like to think I am in touch with reality so I posted how Bernie is not going to win and Hillary pretty much has this in the bag at this point. DAMN the hate responses I got. :lol: Would like to tell these people [MadonnaSweptAway]Not so smug now are ya![/MadonnaSweptAway]

Just like their candidate who thinks a Republican House would pass his plans, these people are drunk on Bernie Kool Aid. Sober up you dumb bitches, because the great political war of our time is coming in November.

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Just like their candidate who thinks a Republican House would pass his plans, these people are drunk on Bernie Kool Aid. Sober up you dumb bitches, because the great political war of our time is coming in November.

Whether it's Bernie or Hillary (It's more then likely going to be Hillary) I do think dems as a whole need to focus on mid term elections WAY more then they ever have in recent times. I think this is where Obama dropped the ball sadly. He was elected and then didn't really engage with his supporters on a grass roots level much after that which left many of them thinking they did their job by electing him, and there was nothing left to do. I really think most Americans as a whole fail to grasp how important Congress is when it comes to getting shit done sadly.

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This whole Bernie thing is bad for Hillary and very good from Trump/cruz

And Bernies promisses may look promissing but its nothing more than populism , the bigger the State the bigger corruption and inefficiencies , everywhere is like that

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