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This is awesome. This man has had nothing but integrity through his entire career.

Exactly. He was on the right side of history long before it became popular to tolerate or accept gay people. Yet, you have gay people rooting for Hillary when she wasn't for gay rights until it became popular to do so. This goes to show how uneducated people are.

Why do you think that those board of directors for HRC have all chosen Hillary for their endorsement? It's not because they share the same initials either. ;)

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Obama is also the guy who wants to pass the TPP, a trade deal that the corporations adore. Why would he be in favor of a trade deal that is going to kill more American jobs? Even Hillary was smart enough to flip-flop and is now against it (for now at least).

The reality is that Bernie is going to struggle, but getting people involved in the political process will hopefully result in more people voting for non-corrupt candidates and eventually creating some change in this country. So many of you are just happy to accept the way things are now and have given up on the political process. Bernie may not be able to get most of his ideas passed, but at least he is bringing the issues and the corruptness to light. Furthermore, he has integrity, something that I cannot say of most political candidates.

I actually have mixed feelings on the TPP. I certainly don't favor losing American jobs, but the truth is the TPP (and NAFTA) are actually designed to make American goods more competitive in certain global markets. The TPP is somewhat designed to keep China in check as its economic influence in Asia is almost overwhelming. I don't know enough about negotiations to know how one simultaneously protects the U.S. economy and remains a trade isolationist.

Honestly, I do not expect Bernie to be the person to get money out of politics. I never did. It takes people joining together, starting a political revolution, and standing up by voting for those candidates who do not take money from corporations and who are not tied to the special interests. This is what I'm talking about. Many of the things that you point out I know that Bernie will not be able to do on his own. However, bringing these issues to light is where things start, not just ignoring them and settling for the system that we have.

You know, I certainly am not disagreeing with it requiring a political revolution. I think you're right. But it's not happening right now. How do I know? The Iowa caucus turnout for both Hillary and Bernie was less than it was in 2008 when we had the Obama phenomenon. Even the GOP side had more turnout this year. If Bernie had won Iowa by 2-3% I don't think that is evidence of a revolution happening. My point is that he certainly excites young people and he does get some sizable crowds (not Obama-sized but decent), however if Obama had the energy of a true revolution behind him - and his wave qualifies more for that than Bernie's at this point - we saw it in the numbers. I'm not seeing all these secret liberals coming out to vote. Bernie is going to win NH this week, I can almost guarantee it. But I would be surprised if the turnout for the Democratic side breaks records. If it does, and continues to do so in more states down the road, I would accept that as evidence of a genuine political revolution, but I just don't see it now. He's basically getting the white liberal base and not much beyond that...yet.

I would also ask how many politicians are running this cycle that you can vote for are not taking money from special interests or corporations? Because a single vote for Bernie and none for Congress (which all take such money) isn't going to change anything. So make sure you put together a list of all the people who aren't taking money from special interests or corporations so you can stock up Congress with them. Please post it here too so we all know who they are.

It's an unfortunately reality, but you do need money to win elections. It's nice that Bernie is getting small donors to give him $20 million a month. But that will mean nothing when the GOP and their Super PACs raise over $1 billion to defeat him.

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Good morning :beret:

Poll: Sanders within 3 of Clinton nationally

Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders has nearly caught up with rival Hillary Clinton, according to a Reuters/Ipsos national poll released Friday afternoon.

Clinton leads by just 3 points, well within the poll's margin of error. The former secretary of State gets 48 percent support compared to Sanders's 45 percent.

The findings mirror the results of Monday's Iowa Democratic caucus, which Clinton won by less than one percentage point.

Sanders still has a comfortable lead in New Hampshire, just four days away from the state's primary.

The poll was conducted from Feb. 2 to 5, shortly after the Iowa caucuses. It surveyed 512 people and has a margin of error of 5 percent.

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Too bad Bernie won't win because he clearly is the best candidate.

The Democrats have really backed themselves into a corner this time and unfortunately it is too late for another candidate to get into the primary race, which means another candidate will have to come out of the convention, or after. There are probably rules that allow a switch in cases of health or death, but I don't think the rules allow a switch because "our candidate might lose." :lol:

If that happens, they are dead in the water. Even the most hapless Republican candidate will win in a walk. How are the Dems going to convince independents to vote for a candidate that even their own supporters didn't get a chance to vote for ? So I think most likely, Hillary wins the nomination. She gets SC and the southern states, probably NY and most of the midwest and, eventually, Bernie fades. But her poll numbers for the general will be terrible, and the powers that be in the party will be looking for a way to get rid of her, if they aren't already planning that.

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Most politicians are liars. You should vote for someone who has a clear and consistent record and integrity, in my opinion.

I'm voting for Hillary i was born in the US(cali) but living in Montreal now. I don't do semi-senile candidates who preach things that will NEVER happen! ;) kidding of course let's all just vote for who we want!

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I'm voting for Hillary i was born in the US(cali) but living in Montreal now. I don't do semi-senile candidates who preach things that will NEVER happen! ;) kidding of course let's all just vote for who we want!

Do you also prefer a nominee whose husband prefers the younger and healthier vag, penetrated with a Cuban cigar, instead of cob-web pussy?

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Look. I am sure it will take DECADES to get special interests out of politics and get Congress working by and large for the American people again, but at least Bernie is inspiring TONS of people within the millennial generation who will be the future of America. A massive group of people that will no longer be afraid of the word "socialist" and a massive group of people that will by and large pass down the values being imbedded in them right now to their children and other up and coming generations. Like Obama said, change doesn't come easy and it doesn't come fast in many cases, but I do believe it WILL happen if this generation stays engaged and doesn't lose hope or gives up because once that happens we might as well just throw the towel in as a country.

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Do you also prefer a nominee whose husband prefers the younger and healthier vag, penetrated with a Cuban cigar, instead of cob-web pussy?

Bill was one of the best presidents EVER. FACT. Especially on the economy.

We are all going to always disagree on politics so :)

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God this republican debate is making me sick. Christie is the only non-idiot lol

Obviously you don't live in NJ. Trust me. Christie is an idiot and we hate him here. Sadly many opened their eyes too late to this fact.

As for my fear of Rubio being the nominee because he would be the most electable out of the republicans. After tonight that fear has totally vanished. Hillary or Bernie would chew him up and spit him out in a debate. They are all just so pathetic on every level. 7 dumbasses on the stage.

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Look. I am sure it will take DECADES to get special interests out of politics and get Congress working by and large for the American people again, but at least Bernie is inspiring TONS of people within the millennial generation who will be the future of America. A massive group of people that will no longer be afraid of the word "socialist" and a massive group of people that will by and large pass down the values being imbedded in them right now to their children and other up and coming generations. Like Obama said, change doesn't come easy and it doesn't come fast in many cases, but I do believe it WILL happen if this generation stays engaged and doesn't lose hope or gives up because once that happens we might as well just throw the towel in as a country.

Not only in America. AND it scares the shit out of me to be honest. While I agree that they may be much more open about issues in society like homosexuality etc. and do not share the conservative values of the right, you correctly pointed out that those are already inbedded in them. They have been raised by the generation before them. Their parents made a step forward and opposed the conservative view on things that their parents may have had. This is nothing those millenials have achieved. And here lies the problem. From my perspective those millenials are a generation who never really had to fight for anything, they take everything for granted, they are entitled. They don't strive to achieve anything. It is the laziest generation. Okay, that's incorrect. They are very busy on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram. But is this truly something productive? No. I'm not sure if they are really that many millenials taking part in Bernie Sanders campaign. And even if, it doesn't prove anything. I have doubts about their motives. This generation basically doesn't stand for anything and I'm just waiting for the moment they actually blame the generations before them because there are hardly any fights to be fought anymore. In fact, the rising ageism coming from those people are already a first sign. It is obvious they are very insecure people inside because they know they can't hold a candle to the generations before them.

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Do you also prefer a nominee whose husband prefers the younger and healthier vag, penetrated with a Cuban cigar, instead of cob-web pussy?

Isn't this the same talk coming from the press in regards to Madonna? Guy Ritchie leaves desperate and old Madonna for younger model. This truly is the most disgusting evaluation that should not be part of the process how to find a candidate for a political office. Talk about achievements and failures in their job but keep deeply personal stuff out of it. Otherwise you will never find the most fitting candidate. I specifically did not use the word "best" because all of this is like a job application. Employers NEVER look for the "best" candidate, the ALWAYS look for the "most fitting". That's why Hillary should win.

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I'm voting for Hillary i was born in the US(cali) but living in Montreal now. I don't do semi-senile candidates who preach things that will NEVER happen! ;) kidding of course let's all just vote for who we want!

demi-senile? That's your argument ????? :dead:

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I only know the basics of US politics as from the uk but I do love Hillary I just feels she deserves it and she has the best knowledge/experience of anyone. I don't really want to get into a deep discussion/argument if people don't like her as I don't know enough to argue. But from the u.s perspective why has she gone from being seen as automatically getting the nomination to now having a real challenger ? Is she seen as too establishment ? Don't like her as a women? The email/Libya negatives ? Not relating to normal Americans ? everything from the uk I've read so far about both rep/dem has been so negative about everything, the candidates, congress etc

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Debate was dreadful and painful to watch. Bernie looked/reeked from weakness and submissiveness...even borderline senile :/ Not feelin the Bern..sorry. Hillary was angry, cunty and even more unlikable than ever. Two atrocious, UN-electable candidates! Hope the 'rumblings' are correct that the Dems are working to do 'something' crafty just make it look there's a legit reason she needed to get out of the race!

A draft Joe Biden column in the MSM : first time I've had the pleasure this election season. :D By a liberal editorial writer no less. The comments were running 90% against Hillary, not so surprising when her supporters don't have a leg to stand on...it's just that Biden isn't the answer either. There simply isn't enough time for him to compete, especially with his electoral handicaps. Biden needed to start a year ago just to have a chance -- when the email story first broke.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/clinton-email-scandal-why-it-might-be-time-for-democrats-to-draft-joe-biden/2016/02/05/cd69dfea-cc18-11e5-a7b2-5a2f824b02c9_story.html

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A draft Joe Biden column in the MSM : first time I've had the pleasure this election season. :D By a liberal editorial writer no less. The comments were running 90% against Hillary, not so surprising when her supporters don't have a leg to stand on...it's just that Biden isn't the answer either. There simply isn't enough time for him to compete, especially with his electoral handicaps. Biden needed to start a year ago just to have a chance -- when the email story first broke.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/clinton-email-scandal-why-it-might-be-time-for-democrats-to-draft-joe-biden/2016/02/05/cd69dfea-cc18-11e5-a7b2-5a2f824b02c9_story.html

Comment sections are generally not the best source of evidence. Just look at comment sections about Madonna

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Comment sections are generally not the best source of evidence. Just look at comment sections about Madonna

Yeah but this is from a reliably liberal columnist for The Washington Post which is a generally left leaning paper (although maybe less so since Jeff Bezos bought it a couple years ago).There is also other stuff coming out on CNN that the White House is "terrified" Hillary is blowing up her campaign for not releasing the transcripts of Wall Street speeches etc. We'll see soon enough how much is temporary panic over Sanders and how much is the establishment waking up and slowly starting to get it. :newspaper:

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Look. I am sure it will take DECADES to get special interests out of politics and get Congress working by and large for the American people again, but at least Bernie is inspiring TONS of people within the millennial generation who will be the future of America. A massive group of people that will no longer be afraid of the word "socialist" and a massive group of people that will by and large pass down the values being imbedded in them right now to their children and other up and coming generations. Like Obama said, change doesn't come easy and it doesn't come fast in many cases, but I do believe it WILL happen if this generation stays engaged and doesn't lose hope or gives up because once that happens we might as well just throw the towel in as a country.

I agree. There's so much "we can't" talk instead of "we can" or "let's try". If we keep saying "we can't" then we can't! The wealthy and corrupt are counting on us to say "we can't" so that nothing ever changes.
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But from the u.s perspective why has she gone from being seen as automatically getting the nomination to now having a real challenger ? Is she seen as too establishment ? Don't like her as a women? The email/Libya negatives ? Not relating to normal Americans ? everything from the uk I've read so far about both rep/dem has been so negative about everything, the candidates, congress etc

Hillary was automatically seen as getting the nomination because the media has consistently ignored Sanders and his campaign, automatically saying that Hillary will be the nominee and giving her far more air time. Sanders' supporters see Hillary as too establishment because, well, she is, just like most candidates. As for people not liking her being a woman, well, most Hillary supporters use her having a vagina in order to justify the hate for her when it is actually her record and her corporate ties as to why people don't like her. It's an excuse to distract from what she really stands for. Of course, Hillary loves playing the vagina card herself, so that doesn't help. Kyle, take it away ...

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I'm tired of all these candidates. We can't change the Constitution to let Obama stay for a third term? C'mon he's more qualified, funnier and more intelligent than any of these losers!

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I agree. There's so much "we can't" talk instead of "we can" or "let's try". If we keep saying "we can't" then we can't! The wealthy and corrupt are counting on us to say "we can't" so that nothing ever changes.

For one thing because we are already 19 trillion in record debt (more than 45 trillion in unfunded mandates) which is going to require funding from other tax sources or borrowing . that not even Democrats are going to propose doubling that for a bunch of free programs that most Americans don't even want and would never consider voting into effect.

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