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Guest Rachelle of London

The negativity was she was working with black producers. I stand by this. Since 1996, when those ray of lighters emerged, they were used to aryan Madonna. David foster, Andrew Lloyd webber, William orbit, mirwais, Stuart price.

Remember the time, madonna fans were upset that radio was all R&B.

I remember arguing with a fan on another board back then. He was saying Madonna only jumped on the bandwagon of "black producers" because of Nelly Furtados success so I schooled him good and proper about the amount of black musicians Madonna has worked with since the 70s. He didn't even know Nile Rodgers was black :lmao:

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Guest Rachelle of London

IKR. She did like 10 radio interviews, when has she ever done that before?

She was even on BET. Who would've thought they'd see Madonna on 106 & Park :lmao:

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Guest ziggy

HC is by far M's most generic album. Her lack of interest in recording it is evident on every phoned in note, her chronic lack of enthusiasm apparent in every effort she made to promote the release.

She had nothing fresh or creative to say, sonically or visually, at the time. The songs are professionally crafted but thoroughly paint by numbers, and the videos and her looks and visual themes a far cry from the wild creativity of COADF – and, to think of it, all her previous albums.

It's not her worst work – the hooks are smart and the flow is pleasantly cohesive – but it marks the first time she ran out of creative juices, and appeared oddly distanced from her own musical vision; I believe this was because the vision was that of her collaborators rather than hers, resulting in an album that is a fulfillment of contractual obligation rather than a piece of artistic expression.

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Guest Pud Whacker

I remember arguing with a fan on another board back then. He was saying Madonna only jumped on the bandwagon of "black producers" because of Nelly Furtados success so I schooled him good and proper about the amount of black musicians Madonna has worked with since the 70s. He didn't even know Nile Rodgers was black :lmao:

:lol:

Not to mention Stephen Bray her first producer! And Reggie Lucas from the first album!!!

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Guest Pud Whacker

She was even on BET. Who would've thought they'd see Madonna on 106 & Park :lmao:

And gorgeous!!!

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Guest Rachelle of London

And gorgeous!!!

That coat!!!!

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Guest Pud Whacker

HC is by far M's most generic album. Her lack of interest in recording it is evident on every phoned in note, her chronic lack of enthusiasm apparent in every effort she made to promote the release.

She had nothing fresh or creative to say, sonically or visually, at the time. The songs are professionally crafted but thoroughly paint by numbers, and the videos and her looks and visual themes a far cry from the wild creativity of COADF and, to think of, all her previous albums.

It's not her worst work the hooks are smart and the flow is pleasantly cohesive but it marks the first time she ran out of creative juices, and appeared oddly distanced from her own musical vision.

Ridiculous.

Give It 2 Me is an amazing sonic boom! One if her best! She's Not Me is BEYOND FABULOUS! The fade in and out.

I'm sorry ziggy I have to complete disregard your post.

Incredible. Spanish Lesson. These beats are fresh and timeless.

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Guest Pud Whacker

That coat!!!!

Totally!

That hair! That dress! That make up! The GLAMOUR of it all! EVERYTHING!!!

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Guest Rachelle of London

Totally!

That hair! That dress! That make up! The GLAMOUR of it all! EVERYTHING!!!

HC promo makeup is my fave Madonna make up look. The BBC interviews with Jo Whiley her face is literally perfection.

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Guest Pud Whacker

HC promo makeup is my fave Madonna make up look. The BBC interviews with Jo Whiley her face is literally perfection.

I'm completely obsessed with that interview. That silver/white dress. THAT HAIR and MAKE UP!

She's really poised and cool. I love everything about it!

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when the news surfaced that she was about to collaborate with Timbaland and Pharrell, the album was dismissed right away and all the COADF loons started the bashing campaign. HC was supposed to be a dead on arrival type of album just because she didn't catter to the euro-trash dance loving gays. In many ways HC has a lot more DISCO music influences than COADF ever had.

This right here! :clap:

I can distinctly remember the album being dismissed before we ever heard anything. Once we did hear it, people were saying she wasn't really into it, she was "forced" to go into that musical direction and that her legacy was ruined.....oh...and S&S was underperforming....lol. It was her most "jarring" reinvention since ROL era and it seems like a lot of fans considered this side of her to be immature and desperate since she was "supposed" to be a grown up, wise, mature Mother. Add to that fact that after 10 yrs of working with relatively unknown producers, she went for the most popular producer on radio at that time. This was just too much for our Indiedonna fans. :dramatic:.

Totally agree about your disco observation. To me, the actual sound of COADF was way too modern and electro to be considered disco. I understand that basically all modern dance music is rooted in disco in one way or another but HC has a lot of that classic, original disco/funk sound that COADF simply doesn't have. Had Madonnas debut album come out about 4-5 years earlier, it probably would've had a lot in common with the Pharrell tracks (+Dance 2night) on HC.

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Because it seemed to be the first instance in which she began relying on featuring and the support of younger acts to propel her music. The only other feature she had done was for Britney's "In The Zone" record but nothing else was released as a single on her part. Suddenly, it seemed every first single needed someone to keep it afloat until "Living For Love" broke that streak.

There are amazing tracks such as Give It 2 Me, She's Not Me and countless others that make this a Madonna record. At times, the sudden and constant cameos of JT, Timbaland and Pharrell make Madonna sound like a passenger on her own record. The outtakes were also gorgeous; Across The Sky, Latte to name a few.

It's a departure from the electronica route she had been experimenting with since 1998 but she could have executed it better. The woman was in the beginning of a failed marriage, the promo was decent but unlike COADF, the tour was life but the album does sound a bit late to the game so to speak with JT/Timbaland. It felt like a copy of "Loose."

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Suddenly, it seemed every first single needed someone to keep it afloat until "Living For Love" broke that streak.

Two songs is "every first single" now and what about Celebration anyway? :rolleyes:

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Guest ziggy

I'm sorry ziggy.

Now that is a lie and you know it :smile:

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This forum was a nightmare back then with the Rayoflighter othersnorer mtripers running amok in here. The forum was very negative and the bitchfights were endless. I started that mnation twitter/fb as my own refuge and to be able to enjoy posting about Madonna with less annoying fans. It was fucking ridiculous even appreciation threads here turned into bitchfests complaining she's no longer great, lost it, should retire, etc. This was all going on before the album was even released! It then got worse and they were also hopping on the Gaga train. Thankfully it's a whole different world here nowadays and most of these dreadful people are gone!

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This forum was a nightmare back then with the Rayoflighter othersnorer mtripers running amok in here. The forum was very negative and the bitchfights were endless. I started that mnation twitter/fb as my own refuge and to be able to enjoy posting about Madonna with less annoying fans. It was fucking ridiculous even appreciation threads here turned into bitchfests complaining she's no longer great, lost it, should retire, etc. This was all going on before the album was even released! It then got worse and they were also hopping on the Gaga train. Thankfully it's a whole different world here nowadays and most of these dreadful people are gone!

Funny this is the last post as I read this thread, because as I was reading through the comments I was recalling the same thing. How SO many people were negative as hell on here during this era bashing Madonna left and right.

I remember even watching her promo gig in NYC loving it, and then coming on here bummed out because everyone was ripping it to shreds. I was like, did we all watch the same show?

Awful negative time on this forum. And I still say this album wouldn't have gotten half the hate it received if we had no clue who the producers were.

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I just maintain the only thing wrong is the sensational queen Shirley Sherri cover

I was incensed with people saying about her jumping trends and working with black producers

Excuse me? Did these late to te party people realise that many thought Everybody was by a black girl when it first came out and no one knew who she was?

And fuck me She's Not Me is one of the funkiest things going

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Also her look on the promo shows. The track suit bottoms in heels. And those TITS hitched up like she was smuggling Two bald convicts up her too.

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Who else?

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Guest Rachelle of London

This forum was a nightmare back then with the Rayoflighter othersnorer mtripers running amok in here. The forum was very negative and the bitchfights were endless. I started that mnation twitter/fb as my own refuge and to be able to enjoy posting about Madonna with less annoying fans. It was fucking ridiculous even appreciation threads here turned into bitchfests complaining she's no longer great, lost it, should retire, etc. This was all going on before the album was even released! It then got worse and they were also hopping on the Gaga train. Thankfully it's a whole different world here nowadays and most of these dreadful people are gone!

I remember this Britney Stan in here having a go at me because I said I liked Incredible. I logged off and didn't come back for 2 more years :lmao:

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Hard candy was bland and lifeless which was the main problem. It wasn't all Madonna. The production sucked. Thin voice, wan instrumentation. The only great song was Give it 2 Me.

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Still listen to HC all the time after all these years, but in my opinion it's just not as interesting or amazing as many of her previous albums. The music sounded somewhat dated by the time it was released, but it was still very good! Saw the tour twice, but I was too disappointed to fully enjoy it. Did love the polarizing concert DVD.

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Hard candy was bland and lifeless which was the main problem. It wasn't all Madonna. The production sucked. Thin voice, wan instrumentation. The only great song was Give it 2 Me.

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Guest Pud Whacker

Still listen to HC all the time after all these years, but in my opinion it's just not as interesting or amazing as many of her previous albums. The music sounded somewhat dated by the time it was released, but it was still very good! Saw the tour twice, but I was too disappointed to fully enjoy it. Did love the polarizing concert DVD.

Too disappointed to enjoy it?

What were you disappointed with?

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