Creepy Insane Person Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 He had also said business plans fall through all the time and end up becoming recovered!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzy Jan Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 Jazzy, Andifeel is a very big fan and doesn't hate her at all. He's actually one of the vocal ones that defend her on there. In fact I'm sure he lost his moderator privileges by defending her a few times. He literally goes to everything and hosts the UK free fan parties which he pays for out of his own pocket. He has an account on here which he sometimes uses but last time he was shut down by some other members when he was giving us info about Secret Project. Thanks Chelle. I have not looked at Tribe forum for so long - as last time it was all negative hate when I looked - so was speaking out of turn and apologize to Andifeel for that as never noticed him hating beforehand. I just read where someone called him a Tribe insider and reacted to that in haste. I think I am so nervous about this tour being cancelled. Really don't know how to react if that happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rachelle of London Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 Thanks Chelle. I have not looked at Tribe for so long - as last time it was all negative hate when I looked - so was speaking out of turn and apologize to Andifeel for that as never noticed him hating beforehand. I just read where someone called him a Tribe insider and reacted to that in haste. I think I am so nervous about this tour being cancelled. Really don't know how to react if that happens. I hope she does Oz. Let's just hope that the promoter agrees. LN can't expect the same treatment they received during Confessions, Sticky and even MDNA as the tickets that are already on sale aren't even shifting at the amounts they used to. Of course promoters aren't gonna be as keen to take the risk as they used to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philipandglenn Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 "stumps up" = commits to pay "downside guarantee" = even if ticket sales are poor, M will still be paid an agreed minimum by the local promoter. (i.e, M's people want the local promoter to take all the risk if tickets dont sell out, and to meet the requested minimum, they would need to be able to virtually sell out at very high prices, which would have any local promoter worried given sales to date.) OH GOD if thats the case i cant imagine any promoter fronting up with the cash. given the ticket prices will be high, they will be worried about not selling out. Its too much of a gamble for a promoter i would have thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 I dont know if Australia (ie using a local promoter) is different to US or Europe, where LN have a presence and take more risk? Plus, for Australia they probably try to make the local promoter cover all of the transport costs of getting down here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Posted May 24, 2015 Author Share Posted May 24, 2015 Here we go again. Such bullshit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apj Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 Live Nation AU would be the local promoter - they are one of the biggest, if not the biggest tour promoters here since they bought out Coppel Presents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James0479 Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 It seems to me that OZ wouldn't have the same issues as certain other locations have had with moving tickets as that area hasn't been visited by M in such a long time. That's a sold out trek just waiting to happen. I do understand the upfront fees and such but surely that can be managed. What I don't understand is why doing South America, etc would prevent her from going Down Under. If someone agrees to the guarantee, why not do both? I really hope she comes through for you guys. The Girlie Show was a lifetime ago. If she doesn't come through, I hope she makes a video explaining it was because nobody there would agree to the terms every other place has instead of blaming it on the children again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carta Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 Live Nation AU would be the local promoter - they are one of the biggest, if not the biggest tour promoters here since they bought out Coppel Presents Apparently, it's more complicated than that - LN Australia needs other financial backers to make a tour like this work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacket Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 MESS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apj Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 Apparently, it's more complicated than that - LN Australia needs other financial backers to make a tour like this work. I think they'd be able to get sponsorship deals, and if the rumoured Asian dates starting to surface are true then I think Australia will go ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacket Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 It's a special kind of amazing that every major and minor music artist EXCEPT Madonna has had the CAPACITY to figure out how to tour Australia in the 21st CENTURY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rachelle of London Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 I bet it's the amount of money they're asking. I doubt the other artists are requesting so much. Just my guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markm Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 She just needs to lower her fee so Australian fans can get to see her. Honestly how much money does she need? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apj Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 It's a special kind of amazing that every major and minor music artist EXCEPT Madonna has had the CAPACITY to figure out how to tour Australia in the 21st CENTURY. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacket Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 I bet it's the amount of money they're asking. I doubt the other artists are requesting so much. Just my guess. Yeah, so then negotiate. I mean, if it's the same situation again as with SS where no local promoter would take the risk - experience tells you bring the price down. She just needs to lower her fee so Australian fans can get to see her. Honestly how much money does she need? Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Gold Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 She just needs to lower her fee so Australian fans can get to see her. Honestly how much money does she need? I don't think the "fee" goes right into her bank account. I'm sure it's to cover all the costs of the production & staff and whatnot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rachelle of London Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 I don't think the "fee" goes right into her bank account. I'm sure it's to cover all the costs of the production & staff and whatnot Yup. I imagine her overheads are huge. I just hope they pull through for Australia. The backlash would be huge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markm Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 I imagine the overheads are huge for most big acts but they manage to make it happen. They really need to negotiate and make this happen for Australian fans. Even if that means Madonna taking less of a cut. This era could do without a backlash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carta Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 So should everyone involved in the production agree to work for less money or just Madonna? They'll still charge us the same ticket prices, so the promoters themselves will pocket the earnings that Madonna (and her crew) have sacrificed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rachelle of London Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 It is a bit odd that every other major artist can tour Australia though? I don't get how they can take her tours to South America or even Japan but not Oz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runa Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 She would do 20 nights in Oz and it would be sold out. What the fuck is her problem????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runa Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 She just needs to lower her fee so Australian fans can get to see her. Honestly how much money does she need? Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markm Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 It is a bit odd that every other major artist can tour Australia though? I don't get how they can take her tours to South America or even Japan but not Oz. Yes exactly Chelle. How do all the other big acts mange to do it? Why is it so difficult for Madonna' team to organise this? I would guess that its about how much profit they want to make and they have a minimum that they are not prepared to go below. Nobody is saying that everyone in the production should work for less money but we all know that Madonna makes a lot of money from touring even after all the costs an overheads have been accounted for so surely there is room for negotiations? Would it be so awful for her and LN to make a bit less profit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rachelle of London Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 Doesn't she make a 1/3 of the profits? The demand in Oz is so high I wonder if it would make more sense to do loads of shows there like what Pink did on her last tour. I bet they spend more money moving from country to country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James0479 Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 (edited) It is a bit odd that every other major artist can tour Australia though? I don't get how they can take her tours to South America or even Japan but not Oz. Seriously THIS!! I appreciate how big her show is and obviously overhead is insane but EVERYONE else goes there. She goes everywhere else. It would be cool if she would sit down and explain this because it's fascinating. I'd much rather hear her explain this type of stuff in a Q&A instead of shit like "What do you think of Britney? What's Rebel Heart mean? Come to Brazil!" Edited May 24, 2015 by James0479 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOD Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 I have nothing against South America but she already been there the last several times, if it's getting in the way then put that aside, Asia and Oceania is overdue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rachelle of London Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 I know I'll get blasted for this but they charge soooo much in South America. One of the South American members on here said their MDNA ticket was the equivalent to $800 USD for general admission. Almost 4x what it was at Sticky and Sweet. maybe that's why they are so inclined to go down there. Maybe the Aussie promoters are not willing to charge that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOD Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 ^ But Im sorry they should not be greedy with the numbers. This fast cash in cash out might do more harm than good. Im not in favour of this lets get as much as we can with as little as possible dates. Id rather the prices go lower and places like LA get more than 1 show. Besides, if they do end up touring Asia then Australia wouldn't be too far off. They need to mix it up a bit rather than the same Europe/N America/S America formula. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ai Papi Si. Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 I understand Madonna has crazy overhead but come on. Everyone and their mother tours Australia. Can't they find some way to make it work? I really don't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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