nick00 Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 I agree with a couple of the writer's opinions about M, but I still don't get all the negativity about her using the posts of famous black revolutionaries. M should not be politically correct and stop expressing who she wants to post because it might offend people in today's racially polarizing climate. I really don't think she truly offended that many people anyway. A vocal minority of people were looking for something to demonize her with. I think the writer might also be caring too much about what the twenty something hip journalists are writing about M online. I went through many of the online articles yesterday and they stated many of the same critiques, and most of them did not appear to have a knowledge of M music or her impact on pop culture over the past thirty years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mozo1 Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 I couldn't agree more. People misunderstand things she does as trying to be young and hip. when as you say she is just being herself. She is interested in contemporary music and culture. What is wrong with that? I'm older than a lot of people here but I'm interested in modern music, culture and fashion. It keeps me interested in life and vibrant. It's something to be applauded not ridiculed. People have very antiquated ideas about aging. I applaud you for doing your thing. I'm also older than many here, but I still, like you, am interested in today, not yesterday. There's also underlying sexism on display with comments like these. Dylan, Bowie and Sting for example don't get this kind of hate for exploring contemporary or new sounds. Only Madonna. She's supposed to dress like a cliched idea of a 50-something housewife and I guess should be re-recording mellow muzak versions of her old material. She's not to venture forward. It's reserved for a certain age group in their minds. Once you age out of that box, you're to be compliant and reserved. Their negativity towards her says a lot more about their own aging process and themselves than they do her. It makes me sad that in 2015, this nonsense persists. I mean, if this mindset was around 30 years ago, Tina Turner would have never been able to come back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mozo1 Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Have said it before and will say it again. Ex fans are more tiresome, judgemental, whining, self-righteous and annoying than her haters. They love to put her down but always have to start off by saying how much they used to admire her etc. Then go in for the kill. Plus they pollute music forums everywhere. Other Madonna forums are unbearable because of them and their constant negativity. Wish they would just move on if they don't like her anymore, rather than try and put her down to make themselves feel important. Totally. And it's so funny when these 'fans' praise people like Gaga or latch themselves onto younger artists and act like Madonna is the one who is pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Do you think it's POSSIBLE that Wendy, The Talk and the other crap chat shows WON'T bring this up tomorrow, or is it basically guaranteed they will spew their nonsense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick00 Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 I just hope more self professed fans like Jared Braden won't let the media and online negativity to influence them to completely disown M. It's very unfair because most of the criticism is blown out of proportion and who really cares what the f**k some spoiled brat, outraged journalists think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mozo1 Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 ^ I hope they bring it up. I doubt they're going to join the 'she's a racist' minority of idiots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lights Above Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Jezebel at it AGAIN.http://jezebel.com/madonna-please-just-stop-already-1677418410 This is degenerating into complete insanity. (Don't read the comments). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Barthes Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Let's stop posting the negative articles and give them hits. Let's not participate in this witch hunt. I won't go comment on these articles anymore myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lights Above Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Let's stop posting the negative articles and give them hits. Let's not participate in this witch hunt. I won't go comment on these articles anymore myself. I was going to comment myself, but decided not to. However, I don't think we can bury our heads in the sand with what's rolling out on Monday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick00 Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Rebecca Rose at Jezebel is another outraged white person who's angry and offended at M for being oblivious to white privilege when she made her posts . She wants M to to read an article " I Don't What To Do With Good White People". This is becoming more crazy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mmmmm Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Let's stop posting the negative articles and give them hits. Let's not participate in this witch hunt. I won't go comment on these articles anymore myself. THIS!! I don't want to kniw what z list no clicks thinks! And what is this Jezebel nonsense? Do a lot Americans read it? Or just full of people accusing everyone racists? Cause it's the first time I've heard it here about them. When like a prayer came out, so much outrage!! Even Pepsi pull the plug!!! Remember?!! White people got outrage cause A black man who was actually playing a Saint was JESUS!! Hopefully Rosie will be on The View, Wendy will say something good but one person will speak nonsense and that is Sharon Cuntosbourne! Ugh! By Tuesday it will be over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangGangUK Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 I don't want to know what z list no clicks thinks! Precisely, they only do it 'cos they know they will get some attention. As for The View...who cares what a few daytime rent-a-gobs think of M?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crystal Coffin Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 These people sound like they don't have sex in 9 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzy Jan Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 These people sound like they don't have sex in 9 years True. They need some action and need it quick smart. Just imagine talking to them in true life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calzolari Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Madonna with Pierre Dolmans ? Really ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzy Jan Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Madonna with Pierre Dolmans ? Really ? I hope the rumours are true about him being her new man because they look great together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Django Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 I would also love it. They look great together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Barthes Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 From Vanity Fair 1992 : She’ll take it all. Anything, it seems, even derision, in order just not to fade away. Certainly there is no shame, and there never has been. In 1984, Madonna’s fame exploded with “Like a Virgin”; at the same time, a negative cover story appeared in Rolling Stone, recalls Liz Rosenberg, her longtime publicist and close friend. “We found out then it was because people both hated and loved her. Suddenly everyone had to take a stance on Madonna.” Rosenberg quickly adds, “I love when people really hate Madonna — Madonna does, too. She’d rather that than apathy.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 i guess those shocked "journalists" would have liked more images of some apples products with those laces... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest Rachelle of London Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Madonna: How the control queen lost her touch when media went social Madonna’s pictures of Martin Luther King and Nelson Mandela don’t show she’s racist – just that she really doesn’t have much idea how social media works Madonna: ‘I did not say, “Hey, here’s my music, and it’s finished.” It was theft’ Madonna: ‘Obviously there is a person, or a group of people, behind this that were essentially terrorising me.’ Photograph: Kevin Mazur/Getty Images Peter Robinson Monday 5 January 2015 09.44 GMT Share on Facebook Share on Twitter Share via Email Share on LinkedIn Share on Google+ Shares41 Comments3 Madonna is the original queen of pop media. Naturally she reigned at radio, but as she made her name, her print and TV interviews were also incendiary. Then, as the MTV generation’s breakout star, she helped define the concept of modern pop video. Even when the internet was becoming popular she found a way to own it and have fun with it. Her 2000 webcast from the Brixton Academy in London – during which she namechecked the white hot online forum Popbitch – broke viewing records at a point when most fans were still on dialup. In 2003, when her American Life album was being shared on peer-to-peer networks, she uploaded a fake file asking pirates “What the fuck do you think you’re doing?” Media training is a part of any sensible new popstar’s pre-launch fitness regime, but Madonna didn’t need it. She wrote the bloody book on it. Then about eight years ago, social media came along. For some time Madonna was conspicuous by absence. Her reluctance to get involved was, in its own way, quietly incredible – but one’ still wondered: how amazing would be if Madonna one day simply appeared on Twitter? One day in 2012 she did just that. By the following year, her Instagram account was also in full flow. At times her updates have been brilliant – one picture from May 2013 came with the caption “Cleaning up before the Met Ball”, and showed a fully glammed-up Madonna wielding a vacuum cleaner in her bathroom. More recently, though, with a new album on the horizon, Madonna’s social accounts have become a hashtag-strewn, meme-littered jamboree of misfires through which the image Madonna spent three decades refining has begun to unravel. Advertisement She called herself “ratchet” (a term for someone who is, as Urban Dictionary puts it, “out of hand, out of control”), but spelt it “ratchit”, just as she misspelled the name of Avicii, the young producer with whom she was working. These attempts to be down with the kids have instead hinted that, actually, at 56, she might be completely out of touch. One spoof account, @madonnafanfic, imagines Madonna’s daughter Lourdes constantly disconnecting the home Internet in the hope of saving her mum’s career. That may not be too far from the truth: Madonna has admitted that her kids are effectively A&Ring the sonic direction of her new album. All eyes were on Madonna just before Christmas when more than 20 demos for her next album, Rebel Heart, were leaked online. Most were works in progress; the release of Rebel Heart hadn’t even been announced. It was an unprecedented security breach for an artist of Madonna’s stature, but when she used social media to liken it all to rape and terrorism, she began to test even fans’ patience. Suddenly the pop icon who little over a decade earlier faced leaked music in a way that was funny, smart and aggressive, was uploading a picture of a broken iPod as “a symbol of my broken heart”. Madonna, pop’s most brilliant control freak, was no longer in control. Rather than asking “What the fuck do you think you’re doing?” and windmilling her way into a fight, she was assuming the role of victim. This weekend, things got even worse. After the Rebel Heart leaks, Madonna had begun flooding Instagram (and Twitter) with images of history’s “rebel hearts”. Echoing Madonna’s new album’s artwork, faces were doctored so they were covered in black straps. Marilyn Monroe, Jesus and Salvador Dali mingled with Homer Simpson, Lady Gaga and Miley Cyrus, each figuratively (and graphically) roped into Madonna’s social media marketing campaign whether they liked it or not. Then on Friday night, in one eight-minute burst, Madonna uploaded defaced images of Nelson Mandela, Bob Marley and Martin Luther King, and social media decided enough was enough. Many were offended by the most recent trio of images: Madonna was racist, they said, and this was just another example of Madonna hijacking black culture to flog records. Cultural appropriation, a topic Madonna didn’t have to deal with during those heady days when normal people couldn’t make their voices heard, was suddenly an issue. Meanwhile, Twitter being Twitter, other users opted to tweet their own “rebel hearts”, including Deirdre Barlow and Lisa Scott-Lee from Steps, as well as latticed desserts (#rebeltart) and fish (#rebelcarp). Interestingly, even from many of those making accusations of racism, Madonna’s social media missives hadn’t prompted much anger. Instead, the response was a global, rather weary social media eyeroll. Some Madonna fans are claiming this is nothing new, because Madonna has always been shocking. But once upon a time it was the people she shocked who looked stupid, and Madonna did what she did on purpose. She knew what she was doing with the lyrics of Papa Don’t Preach, with the video for Like a Prayer, with the Erotica era, with the Sex book. Accidentally blundering into cultural appropriation rows isn’t controlling the media, any more than accidentally shitting yourself in the queue at Tesco is displaying masterful bowel control. Many of Madonna’s fans, who once had revelled in the star’s ability to make an older generation huff, tut and shake its collective head, have now turned into their own parents: they’re not angry with Madonna, just disappointed. And it is slightly heartbreaking that Madonna, an artist who made her name through an intuitive grasp of almost every major trend and zeitgeist fluctuation, is so crap at social media. Still, at least the new music’s good. http://www.theguardian.com/music/musicblog/2015/jan/05/madonna-control-queen-social-media-rebel-heart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rachelle of London Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 ^^^ quite a fair article with the writer claiming indifference to all the stupid BS about M being a racist and suggesting that social media is completely different to releasing shocking music videos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Django Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 is it necessary to post retarded people's articles? EDIT: This article actually has a point even though I don't agree with everything. I should finish the whole thing before jumping into conclusions but to be honest, I never expected an article from the mainstream media to use a bit of common sense, and I say "a bit" cause there's some stupid and untrue stuff in this article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rachelle of London Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 is it necessary to post retarded people's articles? EDIT: This article actually has a point even though I don't agree with everything. I should finish the whole thing before jumping into conclusions but to be honest, I never expected an article from the mainstream media to use a bit of common sense, and I say "a bit" cause there's some stupid and untrue stuff in this article. hence why I added another post directly under it to show that the media isnt all anti madonna as some people on here seem to think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mmmmm Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 It's a fair article and here no mention of it on TV here so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sillybilly Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 but in really don´t agree she´s out of touch. not a bit of that. she exactly knows what she´s doing. i don´t think that the combination of those three images was coincidental. her theme for this era is "rebelheart"! and that needs a big bang controversy. she wouldn´t be herself without. and i think it isn´t less than genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fighting Spirit Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Any fucing useless articles saying she's lost it or lost something needs a flush, it's not her fault that all these idiots on social media are used to fake bullshit on a daily basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fighting Spirit Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Andwhat the fuck is that 'she's crap at social media' supposed to mean? What makes one person 'great' at social media? Seriously, this whole 'controversy' is just too retarded to me. I'm so fucking glad I hate motherfucking facebook, twitter and the likes and I wouldn't waste my time on that boring shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sillybilly Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 (edited) "What makes one person 'great' at social media" posting uncountable senseless selfies with #lovemyfans Edited January 5, 2015 by sillybilly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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