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Everybody fill out the one for Minneapolis, MN. I need to hear this song on the radio!!!

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It's just frustrating when she makes music that COULD be popular with the masses, yet isn't because of incompetence. I'm looking at you Guy!

If she made something completely avant garde that had no mainstream possibility, it wouldn't be a big deal that she wasn't being played on the radio. It would be expected because the music would be niche.

But we are talking about the fucking Queen of Pop here!

It just goes to show that quality does not equate success.

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It's just frustrating when she makes music that COULD be popular with the masses, yet isn't because of incompetence.

That's what I wanted to express and couldn't xDDD

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Considering the amount of money she generates, she could have the music world in the palm of her hands, but she chooses to invest wisely and make deals that benefit her more than the larger companies.

While not reflected in vanity things such as chart positions, it's a huge, powerful business move and far more admirable to me. She knows what she's worth and --though we all want to see her at #1 with each single-- I'd rather see her pocket a huge amount of the money she herself works so hard for!

But she would be on the route of becoming a niche artist if she's not putting out hit materials. The reason why her tours grew bigger and bigger was because she had hit eras on top of her legendary catalogue. I know touring is the most profitable investment but it's ALWAYS the new materials that attract new audience. It doesn't make sense to make POP music without the intent of making it popular.

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I really hope she didn't sign a 3 album deal with Interscope. If she did, then we will get the same treatment with the next album. She needs to leave them. They really don't care and I find that odd. Why sign her to begin with? Why let a song with huge hit potential bomb because you did nothing at all? It's crazy.

I'm no expert on all the contract stuff ... but, back in the day (perhaps this was under her WB agreement), the live albums supposedly counted as a half-album? I have no idea if that's accurate ... I remember someone here on MadonnaNation said that, but I don't know whether that is true, or whether that has actually factored in the tallies for these contracts.

My point in mentioning this would just be that MDNA and RH would be 2 albums -- the MDNA Tour would be 0.5 album and a live album for the next tour would be another 0.5 album. [Although, she might not even need the next tour to reach that, if this is all correct, because I believe the S&ST live release was technically her first release outside of the WB agreement.]

The leaks fucked the release up.

Releasing the song back in December adds onto that.

Because the song was an instant download from the pre-order, those sales don't count toward it's singles sales, another fail.

And because we all have already bought the song already, we can't buy it again to increase sales and interest.

We should be happy that the song managed to get airplay in the US. It may not have been 1st single airplay, it still managed to do better than her second singles from recent years.

At least we managed to spark interest with the media about the music industries ageist tendencies.

At the end of the day, the release of the single wasn't well planned out.

You're right about this, sadly. Everyone's talking about "Ghosttown" and "Devil Pray" and BIM and even UB as potential singles... I was thinking that perhaps she didn't intend to release any of those as singles, and was holding back the forthcoming tracks as potential singles, so as to avoid this chart debacle situation. Perhaps that wasn't the case, because it certainly wasn't with LFL, unfortunately.

The only reason I thought that was because I was pretty sure that she was releasing LFL as the "Valentine's Day" single and tying it in with the Grammys, etc. But then I figured the second single was going to be "Rebel Heart" -- title track, etc. And that fit in, logically, to me because it wasn't in the initially released six tracks back in December. (It wasn't even in the next three!) But now ... seeing that "Rebel Heart" isn't even in the standard tracklisting (!!!) I don't know what to think. Mystifying.

I know it doesn't matter now -- water under the bridge -- but I wonder if LFL should not have been rushed out the door in December. (Would it have mattered if we only got five tracks instead of six in December?) Perhaps that would have helped avoid the charting situation we're seeing now.

I gifted LFL on the weekend of its release as a Christmas gift to A LOT of people... The amount of money wasn't that much -- about $30 -- but it means I don't have a huge amount of people I can gift the song to now... Even a few of the people I sent it to (who love Madonna) were like, "That was so sweet of you, but I don't have an iTunes account." (I get charged for it no matter what, so it was like throwing $1.29 away -- but I don't care, as long as M sees some of that. Hope she does -- hope the person doesn't HAVE to download it for it to count for her sake.)

Ah well. We are in different times. Let's hope the word of mouth about the quality of music will carry her through and lift her UP UP UP UP.

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You have to put into perspective that a low chart placement has nothing to do with the quality of her output now moreso than ever. And sorry, but no one saw the MDNA tour on the strength of "Give Me All Your Luvin"'s top 10 chart placement in the US. :rotfl:

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^ Excellent point, but many will point to the Super Bowl as an excellent advertisement for the MDNA Tour. The tickets went on sale immediately afterward, and she had reminded everyone of what a performer she is. In that case, the "NTP" really had the intended effect -- GMAYL's chart performance (and even MDNA's to a certain extent) was a non-factor in that era, because of the Super Bowl.

I guess we have to hope the Grammys and the Brits do the trick on this go-round -- but, since the tour isn't announced and the tickets aren't on sale yet ... that's not even a possibility.

Perhaps there is some upcoming licensing or large promotional push we are not aware of yet, but ... I'll try not to keep my hopes up for that. Instead, I'll just focus on enjoying the art and creative output.

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You have to put into perspective that a low chart placement has nothing to do with the quality of her output now moreso than ever. And sorry, but no one saw the MDNA tour on the strength of "Give Me All Your Luvin"'s top 10 chart placement in the US. :rotfl:

I don't agree. Have you actually thought that MDNA and GMAYL actually hurt the tour? In the US she had the Superbowl and huge promo for the single, but abroad where again no one cared to push the album, the tour struggled in my opinion. The numbers were down in Europe for Madonna's standards.

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I think he was referring to the quality of tour itself, not the sales of the tour.

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I don't agree. Have you actually thought that MDNA and GMAYL actually hurt the tour? In the US she had the Superbowl and huge promo for the single, but abroad where again no one cared to push the album, the tour struggled in my opinion. The numbers were down in Europe for Madonna's standards.

The numbers may have been down in Europe because she had toured there exhaustively -- S&ST 2.0, even, which the rest of the world didn't have. M hit MANY secondary markets in the U.S. for the first time with the MDNA Tour. (She was back in my market for the first time since the Virgin Tour!!) So the U.S. was 'thirsty' for M.

You're right that MDNA and GMAYL did not hurt the tour. But it's unlikely that the casual audiences went to the MDNA Tour in hopes of hearing her sing GMAYL live. (Not that GMAYL failed to deliver as a performance -- it was actually kind of a highlight! But telling that she had transformed it / remixed it and abbreviated it. Not sure we'll ever see/hear it again on tour...)

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I agree with Jasonakos that the single and album sales will affect the tour, especially since she is known to mostly focus on new music during the tour. No matter how great it is, please will not go to the tour this time around if they don't know the new music and therefore don't know how great it is. I think a bunch of the people who went to the MDNA tour may not go to this one unless they are exposed to the new music. If you weren't in the golden triangle, there were a lot of people sitting around until the familiar hits were performed. I don't think they would pay that kind of money for another show of songs they don't know.

Also, I think if this album is not successful, it may make it difficult for her to get another record deal after this one has ended.

I really think everyone involved needs to double down and focus on making RH as successful as possible. From a marketing point of view it does seem everything is last minute, and not thought out. Which is strange because supposedly they a plan this time around!

For our part, I think we should still keep requesting and keep streaming LFL. Whether or not it goes Hot100, just keep the interest going until the album release and next single at least.

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But she would be on the route of becoming a niche artist if she's not putting out hit materials. The reason why her tours grew bigger and bigger was because she had hit eras on top of her legendary catalogue. I know touring is the most profitable investment but it's ALWAYS the new materials that attract new audience. It doesn't make sense to make POP music without the intent of making it popular.

That's the part that doesn't make sense. Why make pop music when you don't intend on getting it heard? Look at Hard Candy: her most mainstream-sounding album since True Blue. Why use mainstream producers and a mainstream sound and not push it with all cylinders blazing? It just came and went after 4 Minutes, like it never existed. So weird! It had tons of hit potential. Did no one around her care?

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That's the part that doesn't make sense. Why make pop music when you don't intend on getting it hear? Look at Hard Candy: her most mainstream-sounding album since True Blue. Why use mainstream producers and a mainstream sound and not push it with all cylinders blazing? It just came and went after 4 Minutes, like it never existed. So weird! It had tons of hit potential. Did no one around her care?

Well, Give it 2 Me and Miles Away did very well in Europe, Quebec and Latin America. Also, Miles Away smashed in Japan, it hit no1 on airplay for weeks. It was played on a TV series or something. Overall, the album did well. Maybe they could have released Beat Goes On as 2nd single, especially since it was getting played in the US, including on WKTU. She just looked so bored though with singles and videos. She was ready to go on tour and make hundreds of millions.

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That's the part that doesn't make sense. Why make pop music when you don't intend on getting it heard? Look at Hard Candy: her most mainstream-sounding album since True Blue. Why use mainstream producers and a mainstream sound and not push it with all cylinders blazing? It just came and went after 4 Minutes, like it never existed. So weird! It had tons of hit potential. Did no one around her care?

It makes sense to do whatever the hell she wants to do. Hard Candy was the best selling album by an American artist in 2008 globally and launched the biggest tour by a female artist of all time. It didn't get heard?

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That's the part that doesn't make sense. Why make pop music when you don't intend on getting it heard? Look at Hard Candy: her most mainstream-sounding album since True Blue. Why use mainstream producers and a mainstream sound and not push it with all cylinders blazing? It just came and went after 4 Minutes, like it never existed. So weird! It had tons of hit potential. Did no one around her care?

Hard Candy was a commercial success though. 4 Minutes and GI2M were big hits WW.

Things started going down once she left Warner.

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The album is not even released!! Shes gonna do promo in March! Older acts do better on album charts and don't get a single play on radio. Yes Madonna WAS a singles artists and you guys needs to face up to the idea she is not a radio star no more!!

RH has gone back up AGAIN in both US and UK iTunes. It was out staggering lower in Top 200 and as of now it's at 119 on UK iTunes. She's got plenty of TV promo coming up!

I think they know M is not a singles darling no more, it's you guys that need to face up to the idea!

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I really hope she didn't sign a 3 album deal with Interscope. If she did, then we will get the same treatment with the next album. She needs to leave them. They really don't care and I find that odd. Why sign her to begin with? Why let a song with huge hit potential bomb because you did nothing at all? It's crazy.

I agree!!

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The album is not even released!! Shes gonna do promo in March! Older acts do better on album charts and don't get a single play on radio. Yes Madonna WAS a singles artists and you guys needs to face up to the idea she is not a radio star no more!!

RH has gone back up AGAIN in both US and UK iTunes. It was out staggering lower in Top 200 and as of now it's at 119 on UK iTunes. She's got plenty of TV promo coming up!

I think they know M is not a singles darling no more, it's you guys that need to face up to the idea!

I agree with this as well. Hah I was actually going to say the same thing. We are forgetting that the album is not even out yet. What's there to promote? Even then, she has already done great in terms of promotion. Imagine what we'll get when the album actually comes out!! We are panicking over Living for Love not doing great on the radio, but may be it was never really intended to be a radio hit?

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Well, Give it 2 Me and Miles Away did very well in Europe, Quebec and Latin America. Also, Miles Away smashed in Japan, it hit no1 on airplay for weeks. It was played on a TV series or something. Overall, the album did well. Maybe they could have released Beat Goes On as 2nd single, especially since it was getting played in the US, including on WKTU. She just looked so bored though with singles and videos. She was ready to go on tour and make hundreds of millions.

Miles Away also Topped German airplay charts,,

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Hard Candy was a commercial success though. 4 Minutes and GI2M were big hits WW.

Things started going down once she left Warner.

yes but compared to LFL GMAYL was still a big hit..

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It is definitely a hard pill to swallow. I mean lfl is truly a great song and sounds so good on the radio. Programmers can't tell me that it isn't as radio friendly as others they are playing now but at the end of the day it is out of our hands. All I know is that this woman is life and we are the lucky ones who know, love, and cherish everything she is and what she means to the world. It is sad knowing there are those who won't ever realize how important she is but we will always know the icon she will forever be....Now onto enjoying the beginning of another epic Madonna era!

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Well LFL is a great song, but not an instant hit

We had the leaks and let's be honest, even after the grammy performance people werent interestes in buying it.

But if M really cared about charts we would have seen some payola/deal.

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I think they ll sell more albums with a hit. Its obvious LFL is not connecting (or the people order the album) so its better if they move onto Ghosttown with breathtaking video!

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I'm pretty sure the reason is underperformed was because not many people bought the song once the Grammys came around and she started doing all the press. The song came out I'm Dec 95% of the fans had already gotten it when the pre order was put up. No one was going to buy it again. Also, it was never released as a standalone single on iTunes, so by the time the press and performance came around the hype over the song slowly was dying.

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I know it is difficult to accept her first single not charting at all, but the music is really amazing...this album is one of her best, hit single or not. Let's not lose sight of that.

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