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Perhaps the chart positions weren't directly related to the backlash but what jonski said about them was spot on. Erotica did worse in America than it did in the UK and Bedtime Stories did worse in the UK and better in the US, but that was more of an American r&b sounding album to regain her heartland of American fans. Likewise I'll Remember had a disappointing chart position, but again was tailor made for adult contemporary radio in the US. So not necessarily anything to do with a backlash. Not to mention the material was less accessible than the spangly 80s pop of yore.

The Erotica era was such an exciting and scary time to be a fan, the hype of Sex was overwhelming with all the Madonna's a goner headlines and I also thought she was in trouble when Bad Girl stalled - the reality is it's a downer of a song that wouldn't have much success and the public don't like SeriousDonna so much.

She didn't fit in to the grunge and then Britpop landscape (Menswear of all people beat One More Chance :bad: to top 10) but STR and You'll See (down to the Cindy Beale-looking TOTP appearance? :rotfl:) were big comebacks for her. Evita set things as far down MOR as you could get, nicely preparing everyone for the shock of ROL and act 2 begins.

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True, I'm not arguing the point about the downward spiral of chart positions. they were still great positions for a pop act in that musical landscape. Those songs wouldn't have gone to number one - no matter what, and like you said, later tracks were then tailor made for certain markets.

Like I said earlier, 92 was scary and exciting but she was everywhere and everything despite the hilarious "..a gonna" headlines - cos she obviously...wasn't.

The US on the otherhand...whatever.

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Erotica missed the top spot in BOTH the US and UK, which was unheard of at the time for a new Madonna album and first song off a new album. Yes she was still popular and all over the press, but clearly, she was starting to diminish commercially from the general public's minds. I don't know if it was necessarily because music was changing, but something went wrong somewhere on how promotion of the album was handled.

I mean, in the UK, Erotica was held off from the #1 spot by a Simple Minds Greatest Hits album, right? :huh:

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Life is all about ups and downs , light and darkness

Those commercial "failures" cemented her legacy/persona and the public that is loyal to her nowadays

look at Mariah's career right now , even though she had all those #1 she failed to be interesting

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Erotica is just not a very commercial album to begin with.

A lot of people assumed, because of the Sex book, that the album was just going to be more sex stuff.

Most of the public wouldn't even had seen the Sex book. They heard about it and assumed whatever, but were mostly just tired of her in general. From 1990-1992 she consumed newspapers/ magazines/ TV. And that was after the huge commercial success assault and controversies of 84-89.

The only real negative things I remember were;

One major article saying she was over (Entertainment Weekly?)
Sex jokes on the late night talk shows

Erotica single success coming and going quickly, minor play for Deeper & Deeper and just some MTV spins for Bad Girl.

Although Rain wasn't a huge hit, it was a sign that things were already turning around. I started hearing good things again, "Madonna looks so beautiful in her new video" etc.

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This revisionism of Madonna's early-mid 90s UK career based upon chart positions and a so-called backlash is hilarious.

This was the era of grunge and emerging britpop and eurodance. Madonna's pop/house sensibilities didn't fit the musical landscape but still sold and charted well.

Madonna saying "fuck" 596 times over the course of a weekend of concerts and the Justify My Love video were more controversial than "Sex".

There was no backlash in the UK, just a natural simmering down of the intense heat of previous years.

This sounds right.

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I can remember a radio DJ commenting after I'll Remember was played "she can make such beautiful songs like that one. I don't know why she has to act like such a tramp." This of course is when the song was new.

She walked such a fine line with the '89-'90 controversies. The public was intrigued and fascinated by her wondering how far she could possibly go with the next project. I think people were fascinated at finding out what made her tick. With Sex, I can remember many people saying "she lost all her mystery". Most people viewed Sex as just another porno, nudie pic book. It seems like people thought it was just way too obvious and unnecessary for her to do something like that.

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True, I'm not arguing the point about the downward spiral of chart positions. they were still great positions for a pop act in that musical landscape. Those songs wouldn't have gone to number one - no matter what, and like you said, later tracks were then tailor made for certain markets.

Like I said earlier, 92 was scary and exciting but she was everywhere and everything despite the hilarious "..a gonna" headlines - cos she obviously...wasn't.

The US on the otherhand...whatever.

YES.

People forget that 1992-1996 were years of hard techno vs. grunge/ minimalistic-female-singers angry-and-with-glasses.

Were times for Nirvana, Hole, Alanis... or Ace of Base and Corona's Rhythm of the night. All 80s artist when directly to the bin and only survided the bigger ones, who where overwhelmed with the new X Generation tastes.

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This revisionism of Madonna's early-mid 90s UK career based upon chart positions and a so-called backlash is hilarious.

This was the era of grunge and emerging britpop and eurodance. Madonna's pop/house sensibilities didn't fit the musical landscape but still sold and charted well.

Madonna saying "fuck" 596 times over the course of a weekend of concerts and the Justify My Love video were more controversial than "Sex".

There was no backlash in the UK, just a natural simmering down of the intense heat of previous years.

Kim, are you even old enough to remember this because it sounds like you weren't there and are just turning into GU.

It's not revisionism. I was there and lived through it. Some of you just can't believe that madonna could possibly be out of favour but she was. Backlash doesn't have to mean record burnings and death threats. The media were much more negative or she was overlooked altogether. Radio play reduced. She only played three live shows for the girlie show and whereas the hype for the BAT tour was unbelievable when she was in London, there was nothing memorable about her visit at this time.

I'll remember performed ok here but is long forgotten as are most of the bedtime stories singles.

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Asked to leave the premises and threatened with security guards :rotfl:

Best fan fiction ever.

yeah that was the part that got me the most. HAHAHA. Almost spit out my coffee reading that part. and by coffee i mean straight vodka.... and my vodka I mean sperm

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Kim, are you even old enough to remember this because it sounds like you weren't there and are just turning into GU.

It's not revisionism. I was there and lived through it. Some of you just can't believe that madonna could possibly be out of favour but she was. Backlash doesn't have to mean record burnings and death threats. The media were much more negative or she was overlooked altogether. Radio play reduced. She only played three live shows for the girlie show and whereas the hype for the BAT tour was unbelievable when she was in London, there was nothing memorable about her visit at this time.

I'll remember performed ok here but is long forgotten as are most of the bedtime stories singles.

Um, I was a teen and it's my favourite era of all. I remember it vividly. I've already gone into detail about the huge press and commotion that era caused in the UK.

AGAIN, no-one's arguing the semantics of lower selling records etc. It was not however a "backlash" due to a book of naughty pics. End.

Kim is as old as the mountains

Button it, Gramps.

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Well, I lived through the backlash and to me, it looked pretty bad. Loads of people were declaring her to be 'over' and in the media at least, there was a strong sense that she was out of step with the times. There was a feature in the Sunday Times Style Magazine which compared Erotica to Janet and the whole piece was very unfavourable to Madonna, whereas Janet Jackson was praised to the heavens.

Up until this point, Madonna had been absolute Teflon and whilst there had been controversies previously, they never stuck, and she just moved onto the next thing. After SEX, though, that really wasn't true and, as we know, Madonna would end up being asked about it for years (she still is by some clueless interviewers).

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