Platinum Gold Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 So after watching Truth or Dare many times I noticed that in the scene right where Christopher goes and tells her that the police are there (Toronto show) he quickly goes and shuts off the radio and for like 2 seconds it is playing the intro to the Thief of Hearts demo??.. Thief of Hearts demo.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZU4JW0-_I4 here is the scene from Truth or Dare.. http://www.miramax.com/watch?v=5wbWNuYTqbORSt5qqe8n739mLB289JqW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightshade Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Hmmmm...I think that's kind of a reach. I don't think Shep even wrote those demos until the summer of 1991. I could be wrong, but 2 seconds isn't really enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip The Switch Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 To me it does sounds like the beginning of the demo. WOW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonski43 Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Yes it does! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Gold Posted March 28, 2014 Author Share Posted March 28, 2014 It does sound like the start of the demo that is why it's so strange... and i doubt that it was dubbed into the movie while it was being edited?.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karbatal Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 OMG! Maybe she had some beats from Shep from the time they were writing some things like Vogue or he send them to her because he wrote something during the mixing of the BAT/TIC tracks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nimos Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 It could have been dubbed onto the footage when they were editing in 1990 or 1991, possibly to cover up the song she was really playing on the radio, due to copyright issues? There are quite a few dubbed-sounding effects in that film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattress Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 The backing track is from Shep's remix of Paula Abdul's "Opposites Attract" released in 1990 (with ties to Janet Jackson's "Alright", also remixed by Shep). The bassline, Paula's voice and several of the sounds from the original version of OA (including the glass shattering) made it all the way to the LP mix of "Thief Of Hearts": Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattress Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Here's some speculation I posted in Nightshade's Erotica genesis back in 2009: The backing track for "Thief Of Hearts" can be heard coming from a tape player briefly in Truth Or Dare during the backstage Toronto footage.The now leaked Rain Album demo is identical to Shep's Special Mix of Paula Abdul's "Opposites Attract" which saw release on limited UK pressings of her Shut Up And Dance remix album (early May 1990).Since many of the elements Shep used for his remix of "Opposites Attract" came from the original recording (recorded in 1988, released as a single late November 1989, possibly remixed in 1989), the basis for the demo and master versions of "Thief Of Hearts" is comprised of sometimes warped samples from Paula Abdul's recording. This includes percussion, synth strings, organ vamping, the "shattered glass" effects and vocals by both Abdul and her duet partners The Wild Pair/MC Skat Kat. (Though not on the demo, the warped, high pitched vocal sample behind Madonna's lead at 2:18 and 3:40 on the LP version presumably belongs to Abdul).Most of the original elements Shep added to his remix of "Opposites Attract" are shared with his House Dub version of Janet Jackson's "Alright" released early March 1990. The beginning of this version features the looped percussion sample -- isolated and dry-- that also builds the foundation of "Opposites..." and "Thief...". So, what is heard in Truth Or Dare could be a demo tape Pettibone submitted to Madonna, the Paula Abdul remix ( ) or possibly music substituted into the film during post production to hide that Madonna was playing a Belinda Carlisle cassette avoid royalty fees for whatever was there originally. I'm inclined to think it was a demo tape. This was during the "Vogue" phenomenon --which, lest we forget, had been based on his remix of Janet Jackson's "Miss You Much"-- and he was working on The Immaculate Collection project which at some point evolved to include new recordings. http://youtu.be/y8TyATdxDR8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugbyguy Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 It sounds way too fast to be TOH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustifiedSince85 Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 (edited) @Matress; Very interesting stuff, never heard that Miss You Much remix before, but there is a lot of Express Yourself in there too to my ear, which was released just before Miss You Much, so maybe Madonna had those beats before Janet after all Edited March 28, 2014 by JustifiedSince85 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pressston Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Well that intro she's listening to in TOD is exactly the intro of the TOH demo. Even if Shep used elements from his Paula Abdul & J Jackson remixes to create it, the very intro is the one in the beginning of the demo of TOH. I don't hear that's very same part in the remixes, or maybe i missed it ?! Thank you Leooayala very interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattress Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Well that intro she's listening to in TOD is exactly the intro of the TOH demo. Even if Shep used elements from his Paula Abdul & J Jackson remixes to create it, the very intro is the one in the beginning of the demo of TOH. I don't hear that's very same part in the remixes, or maybe i missed it ?! Thank you Leooayala very interesting Listen again. It's at 0:08... Entire looped sections from this remix form the backing track of the demo version with some keyboard overdubs layed overtop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bluejean Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Sorry but it sounds more like Paula Abdul than TOH imo. I just don't think they would have been working on Erotica in 1990 either. Btw that shot of fans entering the venue in Toronto, was that in the finished film? I don't remember that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karbatal Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 And Madonna was listening to Paula Abdul in Toronto? Please, someone posts that "Paula the new Madonna" magazine, hahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bluejean Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 No. It's already been explained they would have used it to cover up music that was being played in the background to avoid paying royalties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertogerard Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Sorry but it sounds more like Paula Abdul than TOH imo. I just don't think they would have been working on Erotica in 1990 either. Btw that shot of fans entering the venue in Toronto, was that in the finished film? I don't remember that. I agree, it does sound like the Paula mix to me, not Thief. And yes, that scene IS in Truth or Dare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattress Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 The tiny portion of music heard in Truth Or Dare is on both the "Opposites Attract" remix and the "Thief Of Hearts" demo: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nimos Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 I've just listened to that scene with headphones on and that music definitely sounds like it was dubbed afterwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Gold Posted March 28, 2014 Author Share Posted March 28, 2014 wow thanks @Mattress! i had been wondering for so long! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madonnaho Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 where the FUCK can I d/l or buy the fucking rain tapes as a fucking cd for fucks sake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
material_boy Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 Wow. Sharp ears. Sounds more like Paula than the TOH demo to me, but it's too short for anyone to say for sure. Since it seems that Shep was fond of stealing from himself, it's possible that it's something else entirely that no one else has ever heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugbyguy Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 It's not Thief Of Hearts, it sounds nothing like it. I've watched this film probably 100 times over the last 25 years and it just isn't Thief of Hearts. I'd bet my life on it, no offence boys. Sorry guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Gold Posted March 29, 2014 Author Share Posted March 29, 2014 It's not Thief Of Hearts, it sounds nothing like it. I've watched this film probably 100 times over the last 25 years and it just isn't Thief of Hearts. I'd bet my life on it, no offence boys. Sorry guys We weren't talking about the album version. It was the demo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip The Switch Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugbyguy Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 I don't think it's the demo either, your really, really reaching here. It's considerably way too fast to be Thief of Hearts. I don't generally speak up that much here unless I really believe in something and that ain't Thief of Hearts in any shape or form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realityisalways Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 Yep it is the intro of TOH demo or the Paula Abdul OA remix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rachelle of London Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 Sounds like TOH demo to me. Love it. You guys are good, I wouldn't of noticed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agclef Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 That was a popular 'sound' in the nineties that made it to a lot of songs - could be anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aime Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 I need to find The Rain Tapes. Can anybody post a "review" for me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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