karbatal Posted January 12, 2014 Author Share Posted January 12, 2014 Does anyone know if Madonnanation makes money? why, do you want to marry Svperstar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Django Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 That whole album is pure masterpiece. She can never top Erotica. Ever. THIS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 great reading Nevermind!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgreece Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 I actually think the fact it made its way into the top 10 during the most intense point of her backlash is a testament to how great people thought the song was even then. nice said! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Best! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slam3000 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 What I learned was that M & Shep were unable to get the verse right and later Madge decided to sample Vogue. Madonna said in a (uk) radio interview that she was in the booth singing the outro and just spontaneously broke into Vogue as the melody seemed to blend so seamlessly and they decided to keep it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Madonna said in a (uk) radio interview receipts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad_On_Her Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 My all time favourite Madonna song. Definitely the best Madonna song of the 90's there is nothing weak about it whatsoever. Totally underrated this should have surpassed Vogue in terms of success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5iVe Elements Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 One of her most underraated singles. The lyrics are great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattress Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 Even when I think I'm completely burned out on this one, the second the bass kicks in I have to crank it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lori Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 This song deserves to be performed in its original perfect version again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karbatal Posted January 15, 2014 Author Share Posted January 15, 2014 Exactly. I don't recall which version were they going to use for the Confessions Tour? Has it ever surfaced or something? I recall there was going to be Deeper and Deeper and Everybody, later changed into You Thrill Me and Everybody and finally You Thrill Me La Isla Bonita Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pasqual Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 i love the song ...it is interesting how it is always somewhere behind when people talk about great singles in her catalogue...for me...it is one of the best quality song...with good lyrics...good music...good vibe...good video....we need more of deeper and deeper...thats why i was reallty happt with reinvented version durring RIT... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVRayVHYc7A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dazedmadonna Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 One of my favorites Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bill Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 I absolutely think the "Vogue" callback works as a parallel to her mother's advice at the beginning of the song (which is in itself a callback obviously, as you noted to The Sound of Music). The song basically falls through the looking glass halfway through and reflects itself. I interpret things slightly differently though. Bear with me... "Deeper and Deeper" works on several levels, and aside from being the greatest coming out song ever, it's also a very personal song about her conflicted upbringing, and the long-lasting effects that her parents have had upon her life. Specifically, the tensions between her father's restrictive authoritarianism and her mother's boundless generosity and wisdom (a merger of "Promise to Try" and "Oh Father" almost). "When you know the notes to sing you can sing most anything" is a recognition that her mother is the greatest impetus behind her following her path to becoming a singer, to becoming MADONNA. The "Vogue" reference at the end is in part an acknowledgement of a destiny fulfilled (not only is she singing but she's singing her own iconic song!), of her mother's influence winning out over her father's repressive control. It's not intended to mean literally that Madonna Fortin said "go out and sing", the verse is intentially phrased as a universal parable (just one of the million incredible things about "Deeper and Deeper"), but rather that undeniably her mother's death is the defining event of her life - the one that has most shaped her experiences and psyche (and hence her music - has any popstar ever sung as much about mortality as Madonna?). Losing her mother is so much behind why she sought so deperately to find love and validation elsewhere ("I travelled round the world, looking for a home..."), to live so willfully and vitally in the moment, sometimes more than any other human it seems. Think with your heart not with you head, follow your dreams and desires because life is far too short. When you know the notes to sing you can sing most anything, do most anything, be almost anything. Madonna's life is living testament to that philosophy. "Deeper and Deeper" is an ode to her mother's love, those "kisses sent from heaven above", that still guide her and shape her and comfort her even though she's passed on. And always will ("I will always have you inside of me, even though you're gone, love still carries on..." as she spells it out on the following album). So the "Vogue" callback is her reflecting her mother's message. "Deeper and Deeper" is largely about growing up and becoming your own person, and the bridge and flamenco drop is precisely the point of internalisation and transformation. Her mother might be gone, but the "Vogue" climax is her becoming her own mother in her sense - now she's grown enough to be giving advice (and she's taking her own advice, because its her own song!). Except instead of instructing how to sing, she's instructing how to DANCE. "You've got to just let your body move to the music, you've got to just let your body go with the flow!". Because only when I'm dancing can I feel this free right? And "Deeper and Deeper" is essentially a story of liberation. It's like she's taking her mother's message and improving it, and passing it on to a whole new generation. Of course "Vogue" itself is a song offering divine advice, but there she was imperious - a Queen deigning to help her subjects transcend their meagre existences - here it's like she's just recognised on a gritty human level just how vital and life-changing those lyrics were. And have been to many of us I guess! Of course the reference to "Vogue" is also there because what better way to end the greatest coming out song of all time than throwing in the definitive gay anthem by the greatest gay icon ever as the climax - the point where you're out and accepted yourself and fuck it you're gonna go out out and dance and move to the music and go with the flow and live it up and listen to Madonna and be a massive slut 'cos there's nothing better that you'd like to do (no coincidence it's followed by "Where Life Begins" on Erotica btw). But the queer subtext is a whole other post and I've written way too much already. Greatest song ever IMO. The words 'epic' and 'masterpiece' don't do it justice. You just blew my mind. So many things I never even thought of... I was 14 when this song came out. I was obsessed with it, listened to it constantly, but now I see that I didn't analyze deeply enough and I guess I never bothered to revisit it, intellectually, since then. Sometimes I think I pay too much attention to the melody and learning lyrics, and not enough time deciphering them. This really moved me. And of course, we can't forget - this song features the greatest bridge in the history of the world: Someone said that romance was dead And I believe it instead Of remembering what my mama told me Let my father mold me Then you try to hold me You remind me what they said This feeling inside I can't explain But my love is alive And I'm never gonna hide again! Holy shit. In no way could this song ever be a disappointment, to me. It's perfection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Gark Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 I absolutely think the "Vogue" callback works as a parallel to her mother's advice at the beginning of the song (which is in itself a callback obviously, as you noted to The Sound of Music). The song basically falls through the looking glass halfway through and reflects itself. I interpret things slightly differently though. Bear with me... "Deeper and Deeper" works on several levels, and aside from being the greatest coming out song ever, it's also a very personal song about her conflicted upbringing, and the long-lasting effects that her parents have had upon her life. Specifically, the tensions between her father's restrictive authoritarianism and her mother's boundless generosity and wisdom (a merger of "Promise to Try" and "Oh Father" almost). "When you know the notes to sing you can sing most anything" is a recognition that her mother is the greatest impetus behind her following her path to becoming a singer, to becoming MADONNA. The "Vogue" reference at the end is in part an acknowledgement of a destiny fulfilled (not only is she singing but she's singing her own iconic song!), of her mother's influence winning out over her father's repressive control. It's not intended to mean literally that Madonna Fortin said "go out and sing", the verse is intentially phrased as a universal parable (just one of the million incredible things about "Deeper and Deeper"), but rather that undeniably her mother's death is the defining event of her life - the one that has most shaped her experiences and psyche (and hence her music - has any popstar ever sung as much about mortality as Madonna?). Losing her mother is so much behind why she sought so deperately to find love and validation elsewhere ("I travelled round the world, looking for a home..."), to live so willfully and vitally in the moment, sometimes more than any other human it seems. Think with your heart not with you head, follow your dreams and desires because life is far too short. When you know the notes to sing you can sing most anything, do most anything, be almost anything. Madonna's life is living testament to that philosophy. "Deeper and Deeper" is an ode to her mother's love, those "kisses sent from heaven above", that still guide her and shape her and comfort her even though she's passed on. And always will ("I will always have you inside of me, even though you're gone, love still carries on..." as she spells it out on the following album). So the "Vogue" callback is her reflecting her mother's message. "Deeper and Deeper" is largely about growing up and becoming your own person, and the bridge and flamenco drop is precisely the point of internalisation and transformation. Her mother might be gone, but the "Vogue" climax is her becoming her own mother in her sense - now she's grown enough to be giving advice (and she's taking her own advice, because its her own song!). Except instead of instructing how to sing, she's instructing how to DANCE. "You've got to just let your body move to the music, you've got to just let your body go with the flow!". Because only when I'm dancing can I feel this free right? And "Deeper and Deeper" is essentially a story of liberation. It's like she's taking her mother's message and improving it, and passing it on to a whole new generation. Of course "Vogue" itself is a song offering divine advice, but there she was imperious - a Queen deigning to help her subjects transcend their meagre existences - here it's like she's just recognised on a gritty human level just how vital and life-changing those lyrics were. And have been to many of us I guess! Of course the reference to "Vogue" is also there because what better way to end the greatest coming out song of all time than throwing in the definitive gay anthem by the greatest gay icon ever as the climax - the point where you're out and accepted yourself and fuck it you're gonna go out out and dance and move to the music and go with the flow and live it up and listen to Madonna and be a massive slut 'cos there's nothing better that you'd like to do (no coincidence it's followed by "Where Life Begins" on Erotica btw). But the queer subtext is a whole other post and I've written way too much already. Greatest song ever IMO. The words 'epic' and 'masterpiece' don't do it justice. Wow. Now I love the song even more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karbatal Posted January 15, 2014 Author Share Posted January 15, 2014 Love it so much. I'm glad we have rescued Deeper and Deeper. The video mesmerized me from the first time it was premiered. Later on i read that some fans don't like it. And of course it was not as Madonna envisioned it. Maybe because it was rushed? I remember that Bad Girl was meant to be the second single from the very beginning, and only because of the backslash did they decide to go for Deeper and Deeper instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nimos Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 There's this version I remember hearing a while ago which has different lyrics where the Vogue part is: (From 5:16) "I can't help falling in love, and you know it / I can't help falling in love, so I show it" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 I can't help falling in love, so I show it" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryan Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 Exactly. I don't recall which version were they going to use for the Confessions Tour? Has it ever surfaced or something? I recall there was going to be Deeper and Deeper and Everybody, later changed into You Thrill Me and Everybody and finally You Thrill Me La Isla Bonita It used the same music as Erotica. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karbatal Posted January 15, 2014 Author Share Posted January 15, 2014 Oh, it's true. And then they tried with You Thrill Me. What a brilliant move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryan Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 Yeah, Erotica worked so much better. I think she did it for Guy. She dedicated it to him during the rehearsals, plus it's his favorite song of hers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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