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It's very strange because I really like Girls Gone Wild because it's a Madonna song but in real terms the song was a dud and would have met the same fate even if someone like Rihanna had recorded it. Madonna can do so much better. To answer the question; it didn't fare too well in 2012 and I suspect it would tank even more in 2013.

Nah, I think some fans are finding excuses for it's failure and if it doesn't meet up to her past single releases, they immediately call it a "dud" or what not. It seems every time a Madonna song doesn't perform well in popular mainstream, (and that's about all her songs anymore), everyone claims the song isn't good.

It's all about age here. In fact, there are plenty of dull and ridiculous songs doing quite well on radio and the charts (even though, it's subjective). If Lady Gaga, Katy Perry or Rhianna released this song, it would have been pretty big.

Some fans can't just get into their heads, that Madonna's days on the radio and getting top ten hits, are pretty much over. No one over 50 gets a huge hit, unless it's a fluke hit like Cher got with BELIEVE and even that is something that is rare.

Madonna songs are just as great if not better than what she's released in the past. Too many fans put too much emphasizes on charts and radio success when fans should just enjoy the music and not let the charts and radio dictate what they should like or not.

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I'm sure it would have done slightly better if Rihanna, Katy, Miley or Selena had recorded it, but that would've only happened through hype and major major promo. The song is a total damp squid. M could've never made it a hit. She needed stronger material, she's beyond "InDaClub" tracks and her fan base agrees. You only need to look at the 2 biggest selling songs of this year "Get Lucky" and "Blurred Lines" (Give It 2 Me, again) to see that M doesn't need to be feasting of Britney and Katy leftovers for a hit single.

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Nah, I think some fans are finding excuses for it's failure and if it doesn't meet up to her past single releases, they immediately call it a "dud" or what not. It seems every time a Madonna song doesn't perform well in popular mainstream, (and that's about all her songs anymore), everyone claims the song isn't good.

It's all about age here. In fact, there are plenty of dull and ridiculous songs doing quite well on radio and the charts (even though, it's subjective). If Lady Gaga, Katy Perry or Rhianna released this song, it would have been pretty big.

Some fans can't just get into their heads, that Madonna's days on the radio and getting top ten hits, are pretty much over. No one over 50 gets a huge hit, unless it's a fluke hit like Cher got with BELIEVE and even that is something that is rare.

Madonna songs are just as great if not better than what she's released in the past. Too many fans put too much emphasizes on charts and radio success when fans should just enjoy the music and not let the charts and radio dictate what they should like or not.

Yes but GGW was a very weak song, especially for Madonna's standards. I personally love it but I can totally see why some people dislike it.

Katy and Rihanna release very strong singles, I dont even think they would release GGW, especially if it came from an album with such solid album tracks like MDNA had. When Rihanna released TTT she didnt release Red Lipstick as the first single, she chose We Found Love which went onto become a huge international hit. M releasing GMAYL, GGW and TUTR is just so meh. And just because the MDNA singles didnt do well, doesnt mean that Madonna wont have a top 10 single again. 4 minutes, GI2M, Celebration...all released in Ms 50s, they still done extremely well. Lets not even include the hits she had in her 40s. if you choose to release the weakest songs off your album they're not going to do well, despite who you are and how old you are too.

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Nah, I think some fans are finding excuses for it's failure and if it doesn't meet up to her past single releases, they immediately call it a "dud" or what not. It seems every time a Madonna song doesn't perform well in popular mainstream, (and that's about all her songs anymore), everyone claims the song isn't good.

It's all about age here. In fact, there are plenty of dull and ridiculous songs doing quite well on radio and the charts (even though, it's subjective). If Lady Gaga, Katy Perry or Rhianna released this song, it would have been pretty big.

Some fans can't just get into their heads, that Madonna's days on the radio and getting top ten hits, are pretty much over. No one over 50 gets a huge hit, unless it's a fluke hit like Cher got with BELIEVE and even that is something that is rare.

Madonna songs are just as great if not better than what she's released in the past. Too many fans put too much emphasizes on charts and radio success when fans should just enjoy the music and not let the charts and radio dictate what they should like or not.

I thought Girl Gone Wild sounded like a dud from the moment I heard it with Turn Up The Radio (also a dud) on that random 3 minute radio megamix. The song is flat and weak, there's no soul or passion. Yeah I like a few bits like "It's so Hypnotic", but there's nothing else. The live version gave it some balls that need but it was still weak - plus it's got those stupid cat like pitch vocals!

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Nah, I think some fans are finding excuses for it's failure and if it doesn't meet up to her past single releases, they immediately call it a "dud" or what not. It seems every time a Madonna song doesn't perform well in popular mainstream, (and that's about all her songs anymore), everyone claims the song isn't good.

It's all about age here. In fact, there are plenty of dull and ridiculous songs doing quite well on radio and the charts (even though, it's subjective). If Lady Gaga, Katy Perry or Rhianna released this song, it would have been pretty big.

Some fans can't just get into their heads, that Madonna's days on the radio and getting top ten hits, are pretty much over. No one over 50 gets a huge hit, unless it's a fluke hit like Cher got with BELIEVE and even that is something that is rare.

Madonna songs are just as great if not better than what she's released in the past. Too many fans put too much emphasizes on charts and radio success when fans should just enjoy the music and not let the charts and radio dictate what they should like or not.

Irrespective of chart success and hindsight (and I can assure you my opinion of the song is not based on it's lack of success on the charts) - the song was not up to M's usual standard. As other people have pointed out, the chorus falls flat and combined with the lyrics something just doesn't work. To say that GGW is up there with Into the Groove, Hung Up, Vogue or Ray of Light is just ridiculous. The lack of GGW's success or any of her other recent songs doesn't always come back to M's age - sometimes she just doesn't release very strong songs. We have to acknowledge that even as M fans. I still love even her worst material because I admire her and her catalogue of music but I can still be brutally honest and say some of her tracks are a tad ropey.

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Yes but GGW was a very weak song, especially for Madonna's standards. I personally love it but I can totally see why some people dislike it.

Katy and Rihanna release very strong singles, I dont even think they would release GGW, especially if it came from an album with such solid album tracks like MDNA had. And just because the MDNA singles didnt do well, doesnt mean that Madonna wont have a top 10 single again. 4 minutes, GI2M, Celebration...all released in Ms 50s, they still done extremely well. Lets not even include the hits she had in her 40s. if you choose to release the weakest songs off your album they're not going to do well, despite who you are and how old you are too.

You realize those songs with the exception of "4 Mins.." did well only in a few regions. And if Madonna did "4 Mins.." solo, it wouldn't have faired as well.

As for "GGW" being the weakest song, I think it's subjective. To me, the song was one of the most commercialist songs on the album. It makes sense since I see singles are meant to be released to reach mainstream audiences.

Anyway, I'm not counting Madonna out just yet. She's managed to keep in there despite the ageist society we live in... especially when it comes to women in entertainment.

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Irrespective of chart success and hindsight (and I can assure you my opinion of the song is not based on it's lack of success on the charts) - the song was not up to M's usual standard. As other people have pointed out, the chorus falls flat and combined with the lyrics something just doesn't work. To say that GGW is up there with Into the Groove, Hung Up, Vogue or Ray of Light is just ridiculous. The lack of GGW's success or any of her other recent songs doesn't always come back to M's age - sometimes she just doesn't release very strong songs. We have to acknowledge that even as M fans. I still love even her worst material because I admire her and her catalogue of music but I can still be brutally honest and say some of her tracks are a tad ropey.

But I didn't say that. I simply said she's still producing just as great music if not better as she's been in the past. I'm not necessarily comparing them to some of her biggest hits of her career. Everything else you mention is quite subjective. Just because a handful of people you talk to agree with you, doesn't mean it's FACT. I believe you when you say you feel it doesn't measure up to her "usual standard", but that's your opinion. There are plenty of people who love GGW just for what it is. I'm not trying to compare it to her past music. I'm just saying she's still producing great music, but age plays a huge factor in what songs are hits, which is in line with answering the original question proposed by Johnnox.

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4 Minutes was Madonna's last big hit, but the song is generic...

I don't care about charts and hits, but GREAT SONGS people won't ignore, no matter who sings them or how old the singer is.

GGW was very commercial, but also very generic. Why should she release such song, if there are already a lot of similar songs on the charts? It is logical to make something what will be different. Beautiful Killer is also very mainstream pop song, but it is much better than GGW and could have been bigger hit. Even IDGA is catchier than GGW and much better.

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You realize those songs with the exception of "4 Mins.." did well only in a few regions. And if Madonna did "4 Mins.." solo, it wouldn't have faired as well.

As for "GGW" being the weakest song, I think it's subjective. To me, the song was one of the most commercialist songs on the album. It makes sense since I see singles are meant to be released to reach mainstream audiences.

Anyway, I'm not counting Madonna out just yet. She's managed to keep in there despite the ageist society we live in... especially when it comes to women in entertainment.

Madonna is well renowned for being a risk taker. Within her fanbase and among the general public. Something about the MDNA singles came across like she was chasing commercial success. They were very lazy single choices that were a desperate attempt at playing it safe which when it comes to an icon such as Madonna she doesn't need to do. Commercial appeal doesn't necessarily mean hit and I think that was highlighted with MDNA. I dont know what they were thinking, look at Superstar being released in Brazil...what in the actual???

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Nah, I think some fans are finding excuses for it's failure and if it doesn't meet up to her past single releases, they immediately call it a "dud" or what not. It seems every time a Madonna song doesn't perform well in popular mainstream, (and that's about all her songs anymore), everyone claims the song isn't good.

It's all about age here. In fact, there are plenty of dull and ridiculous songs doing quite well on radio and the charts (even though, it's subjective). If Lady Gaga, Katy Perry or Rhianna released this song, it would have been pretty big.

Some fans can't just get into their heads, that Madonna's days on the radio and getting top ten hits, are pretty much over. No one over 50 gets a huge hit, unless it's a fluke hit like Cher got with BELIEVE and even that is something that is rare.

Madonna songs are just as great if not better than what she's released in the past. Too many fans put too much emphasizes on charts and radio success when fans should just enjoy the music and not let the charts and radio dictate what they should like or not.

THIS RIGHT HERE!!!

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I listened to the song a zillion times and enjoy the awesome remixes too, but I don't think I would have liked it with someone else. I liked the song immediately the day it was released, but at the same time I knew the song would not be popular. Of course it's a generic song in so many ways, but still a fun track.

MDNA is one of my favorite albums from M even though I guess it flopped by mainstream and some critics standards.

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"Generic this, generic that...." It's starting to sound like a broken record in here.

GGW is a fun, frivolous little pop ditty. A phenomenal tour opener. And the video is one of her best. I fucking LOVE it.

End of story.

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Madonna is well renowned for being a risk taker. Within her fanbase and among the general public. Something about the MDNA singles came across like she was chasing commercial success. They were very lazy single choices that were a desperate attempt at playing it safe which when it comes to an icon such as Madonna she doesn't need to do. Commercial appeal doesn't necessarily mean hit and I think that was highlighted with MDNA. I dont know what they were thinking, look at Superstar being released in Brazil...what in the actual???

You obviously have forgotten Madonna has bullt much of her career in being commercial. You're right, "commercial appeal doesn't" guarantee a hit. But singles are selected based on commercial appeal. They are usually selected to fit in the mainstream whether someone calls it "generic" or not. A lot of ridiculous songs have become huge if not memorable that were considered just as generic. "Macareana" anyone??? That song became a massive hit, but was it really a song with much substance? No. It was quite ridiculous, but the truth is most mainstream successful songs are meanlingless songs people like to sing and/or dance to. Of course, I'm not saying every popular song is meaningless, I'm just saying that most singles meant for mainstream are simplistic and just catchy. For instance, "Lucky Star", "Into The Groove", "Holday", "Vogue", and "Music" all can fit in that category among some of her lesser known singles.

And regarding "playing it safe" and choosing songs that are more risky, I hear many fans claim "Beautiful Killer" would have made a great single. I have to ask, "how so?" Most fans agree it's classic sounding Madonna. So how is it a risk to release something that sounds like a typical Madonna song? Hardly risky to me. Risk is when a 50 something woman stays on top of what's current whether it's "generic" to some or not. "GGW" was definitely a current sounding song for radio over a year ago and even today. It may have not been a head of the curve as she has been with some of her past songs, but many of the songs we all think should make singles, usually aren't suitable for radio or mainstream success. A song like "Gang Bang" may be a favorite fan song, but there is no way in hell radio would play that song, nor would it "chart" in the U.S. even with a stellar video. "Love Spent" an awesome cool and lush song, but that song wouldn't have done any better. And I think that all the songs on MDNA. I still feel that fans are looking for any excuse to blame the failure on her songs on anything but ageism. Fans should be outraged by this fact that entertainers (especially women) are kicked to the curb once they reach 40.

The whole disappointment or shock that "Superstar" was released in "Brazil" seems a bit silly to me. You do realize this was a limited promotional FREE release that was tied to a contest sponsored by "Keep Walking Brazil project" to create artwork for the song?

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In 25 years, Girl Gone Wild was the first Madonna song i hated with a passion and i still do (yes even more than Hey You). Its lack of success means that she won't do something like that again. THANK GODDESS !

People expect Madonna to be innovative not derivative.

On the other hand the video is brilliant. It must be like the 100th time i say this on Mnation. I'm obsessed :ohmy:

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"Generic this, generic that...." It's starting to sound like a broken record in here.

GGW is a fun, frivolous little pop ditty. A phenomenal tour opener. And the video is one of her best. I fucking LOVE it.

End of story.

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Co-signing!!

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"Generic this, generic that...." It's starting to sound like a broken record in here.

GGW is a fun, frivolous little pop ditty. A phenomenal tour opener. And the video is one of her best. I fucking LOVE it.

End of story.

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Co-signing!!

VogueMuisc and Whoastephen, add me to your list. I know it is not a classic but I always enjoy it.

By the way, generic is the new irrelevant. Words that are just so over-used.

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oh and i love GGW, the video and tour performance

i was so psyched to see THAT Madonna back on a video and a black and white video to top it off

i do wish the production of the song was a tad bit better. it sounds like a rough radio edit.

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"Generic this, generic that...." It's starting to sound like a broken record in here.

GGW is a fun, frivolous little pop ditty. A phenomenal tour opener. And the video is one of her best. I fucking LOVE it.

End of story.

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It's all about the material. Rihanna released "Right Now" which is super generic and flopped. I love Right Now but it IS generic David Guetta trash.

Saying that young popstars can get away with anything is false. Look how hard each and every one of them flopped when the song was bad.

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Girl Gone Mild deserved it's fate, major flush down the toilet ( I'm talking Janet Jackson size flush after coffee enema ).

Should have shown some diversity and gone with Gang Bang or Im Addicted for second single.

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But there is a pure sales chart published every week. Just look at that instead of that constantly tweaking Hot 100. Soon they'll be adding into the formula how many times a song is played in the supermarket and how many ringtone calls are made with a song. :callme:

Mimi will be thrilled! :rosey:

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If you look at her single releases over the last thirty years, it stands out as one of the poorest songs she's ever released and so do several others from the last few years.

Yes, I think another artist could have taken it higher but that was one of the problems. It was Madonna trying to be something she's not in the eyes of the public - young! They'd have believed the wronged woman of Gang Bang or the disco diva of I'm Addicted but this was what people don't like about Madonna in one song.

Disco Diva?! What?!

I like this idea ;)

I don't know why because it's a stupid idea. The song 'some girls' isn't about Madonna wanting to kill other women or fight other women. :doh: That would be sending out an entirely wrong message.

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I love GGW as I have stated but to answer the question I really don't think it wouldve charted higher now. I remember someone saying that if MDNA was released in 2011 the singles would've done better and I do have to agree. By the Spring/Summer of 2012, everyone was over the DJ, dance scene, every artist was doing that sound, even rappers. Maybe if the singles were released the year before they would've fared better instead of being seen as just another dance track.

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You obviously have forgotten Madonna has bullt much of her career in being commercial. You're right, "commercial appeal doesn't" guarantee a hit. But singles are selected based on commercial appeal. They are usually selected to fit in the mainstream whether someone calls it "generic" or not. A lot of ridiculous songs have become huge if not memorable that were considered just as generic. "Macareana" anyone??? That song became a massive hit, but was it really a song with much substance? No. It was quite ridiculous, but the truth is most mainstream successful songs are meanlingless songs people like to sing and/or dance to. Of course, I'm not saying every popular song is meaningless, I'm just saying that most singles meant for mainstream are simplistic and just catchy. For instance, "Lucky Star", "Into The Groove", "Holday", "Vogue", and "Music" all can fit in that category among some of her lesser known singles.

And regarding "playing it safe" and choosing songs that are more risky, I hear many fans claim "Beautiful Killer" would have made a great single. I have to ask, "how so?" Most fans agree it's classic sounding Madonna. So how is it a risk to release something that sounds like a typical Madonna song? Hardly risky to me. Risk is when a 50 something woman stays on top of what's current whether it's "generic" to some or not. "GGW" was definitely a current sounding song for radio over a year ago and even today. It may have not been a head of the curve as she has been with some of her past songs, but many of the songs we all think should make singles, usually aren't suitable for radio or mainstream success. A song like "Gang Bang" may be a favorite fan song, but there is no way in hell radio would play that song, nor would it "chart" in the U.S. even with a stellar video. "Love Spent" an awesome cool and lush song, but that song wouldn't have done any better. And I think that all the songs on MDNA. I still feel that fans are looking for any excuse to blame the failure on her songs on anything but ageism. Fans should be outraged by this fact that entertainers (especially women) are kicked to the curb once they reach 40.

The whole disappointment or shock that "Superstar" was released in "Brazil" seems a bit silly to me. You do realize this was a limited promotional FREE release that was tied to a contest sponsored by "Keep Walking Brazil project" to create artwork for the song?

But you've already stated that Madonna is in her 50s and it will be very rare to get a massive hit now. So why did they release the three most commercial sounding songs on the album. As you have already said radio didn't pick them up either...what exactly was their strategy? Did you ever hear GGW on the radio? I heard other MDNA tracks on the radio but I never heard GGW or TUTR. I did hear GMAYL once randomly in May 2012 when I was in Spain.

And I didnt know that, I thought it was released as a single there. Round about the time the album was out and all this was happening there were numerous threads of people complaining that Superstar was being released in Brazil.

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You obviously have forgotten Madonna has bullt much of her career in being commercial. You're right, "commercial appeal doesn't" guarantee a hit. But singles are selected based on commercial appeal. They are usually selected to fit in the mainstream whether someone calls it "generic" or not. A lot of ridiculous songs have become huge if not memorable that were considered just as generic. "Macareana" anyone??? That song became a massive hit, but was it really a song with much substance? No. It was quite ridiculous, but the truth is most mainstream successful songs are meanlingless songs people like to sing and/or dance to. Of course, I'm not saying every popular song is meaningless, I'm just saying that most singles meant for mainstream are simplistic and just catchy. For instance, "Lucky Star", "Into The Groove", "Holday", "Vogue", and "Music" all can fit in that category among some of her lesser known singles.

And regarding "playing it safe" and choosing songs that are more risky, I hear many fans claim "Beautiful Killer" would have made a great single. I have to ask, "how so?" Most fans agree it's classic sounding Madonna. So how is it a risk to release something that sounds like a typical Madonna song? Hardly risky to me. Risk is when a 50 something woman stays on top of what's current whether it's "generic" to some or not. "GGW" was definitely a current sounding song for radio over a year ago and even today. It may have not been a head of the curve as she has been with some of her past songs, but many of the songs we all think should make singles, usually aren't suitable for radio or mainstream success. A song like "Gang Bang" may be a favorite fan song, but there is no way in hell radio would play that song, nor would it "chart" in the U.S. even with a stellar video. "Love Spent" an awesome cool and lush song, but that song wouldn't have done any better. And I think that all the songs on MDNA. I still feel that fans are looking for any excuse to blame the failure on her songs on anything but ageism. Fans should be outraged by this fact that entertainers (especially women) are kicked to the curb once they reach 40.

The whole disappointment or shock that "Superstar" was released in "Brazil" seems a bit silly to me. You do realize this was a limited promotional FREE release that was tied to a contest sponsored by "Keep Walking Brazil project" to create artwork for the song?

But you've already stated that Madonna is in her 50s and it will be very rare to get a massive hit now. So why did they release the three most commercial sounding songs on the album. As you have already said radio didn't pick them up either...what exactly was their strategy? Did you ever hear GGW on the radio? I heard other MDNA tracks on the radio but I never heard GGW or TUTR. I did hear GMAYL once randomly in May 2012 when I was in Spain.

And I didnt know that, I thought it was released as a single there. Round about the time the album was out and all this was happening there were numerous threads of people complaining that Superstar was being released in Brazil.

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If you look at her single releases over the last thirty years, it stands out as one of the poorest songs she's ever released and so do several others from the last few years.

Yes, I think another artist could have taken it higher but that was one of the problems. It was Madonna trying to be something she's not in the eyes of the public - young! They'd have believed the wronged woman of Gang Bang or the disco diva of I'm Addicted but this was what people don't like about Madonna in one song.

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A song like "Gang Bang" may be a favorite fan song, but there is no way in hell radio would play that song, nor would it "chart" in the U.S. even with a stellar video. "

I agree.I love this song,but it would NEVER fly as a single.What US radio station would play a song with lyrics like "shot my lover in the head"? :) I know that Madonna has made a career out of being controversial,but this would have been considered too extreme,especially with all these recent shootings going on.

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I agree.I love this song,but it would NEVER fly as a single.What US radio station would play a song with lyrics like "shot my lover in the head"? :) I know that Madonna has made a career out of being controversial,but this would have been considered too extreme,especially with all these recent shootings going on.

Just wondering, did USA radio play "Pumped up kicks" by Foster the people ? I heard it on the radio non stop here in Australia and the lyrics in that song is about a boy wanting to kill his classmates. It was a huge hit here. Mind you, as much as I love that song, it was hard to understand what the lyrics were when you listened to it. One thing with Madonna, you can always understand every word she sings. My point is though, that controversial lyrics and songs can become huge hits. With Madonna though, everything is highlighted and discussed so possibly would not get played.

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