GOD Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 When will they announce Hillary Vs. Bernie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightshade Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 What all goes into consideration when they choose the candidate? Is it just based on the votes? wasn't it close with Obama? Who? The DNC super delegates? Super delegates are party officials, Democratic governors/Senators or people who've usually been life-long Democrats who are part of the party Establishment. There isn't really a set ideology on how they choose whom to vote for, but they typically pick the strongest general election candidate. In 2008, Hillary started out with a lead among those delegates but Obama's strength in the race convinced many who were on the fence (and even some who were pro-Hillary) to change their mind and go with him at the end. The caucuses and primary votes rely on the actual voters to apportion regular delegates from each state who are sent the Democratic Convention to vote for their candidate. It's kind of a weird system, and typically, it is all rigged to favor the party's establishment candidate. This is probably why Hillary thought she'd have a cake walk in 2008, but many within the Democratic party - especially the very liberal wing - wanted someone else. The reason I don't think we are seeing that again this time (just my personal opinion) is that Bernie isn't really a member of the Democratic party but he's running for their Presidential nomination. Therefore, most of the party's machinery isn't really on his side. Obama on the other hand didn't have that problem. This is all very wonky stuff, but I've studied this for 10 years, so I've learned to temper my liberal expectations when it comes to the Democratic Party as a whole. They're far more pro-business than people realize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightshade Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 When will they announce Hillary Vs. Bernie? The Iowa caucus (first contest) happens Feb. 1 (so about 1 week). That should set the tone for the month of February - which will also see New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina vote. Some big states start voting in early March. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skin Posted January 24, 2016 Author Share Posted January 24, 2016 Crazy how in cities all across America yesterday people turned out in droves to march for Bernie Sanders.....And the corporate media was pretty much totally silent about it. Imagine all the coverage if these marches were for Trump... Portland. Not sure where this one was... Read more here.. http://usuncut.com/politics/nationwide-march-for-bernie-sanders-sweeps-across-35-cities/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skin Posted January 24, 2016 Author Share Posted January 24, 2016 Oakland.. Colorado New Orleans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elayman Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 She endorsed Gen. Wesley Clark in 2004. Had an open letter on her Madonna.com and even granted him an audience at her home. Clark was definitely the most serious and engaged Madonna has ever seemed about a candidate, and the first time she made an endorsement during the primary process. I know she was also planning a fund raiser at her LA home but he probably dropped out before it could happen ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ULIZOS Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Moka Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightshade Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 I must admit, I hate Hillary's logo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ULIZOS Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 How are you going to compare a publicized event where Hillary showed up to random spontaneous marches around the country? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightshade Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 How are you going to compare a publicized event where Hillary showed up to random spontaneous marches around the country? The marches were not spontaneous. They were planned by the Bernie campaign (you could even RSVP on his website) a week before the event. However, he wasn't present at all of them so the turnout (without his presence) in that regard was impressive. I do think his supports are more fervent and energized than Hillary's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulaAbdul Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 Hillary's got this in the bag so let's calm down everyone. Bernie COULD win Iowa and NH and even if he does, that's meaningless. HRC's been proven to be wildly popular among more diverse populations and in the South. Obama lost NH to Hillary in 2008 and that didn't stop him. I've worked at Hillary's campaign HQ in Brooklyn since September and I've seen how hard these people have worked and how passionate they are. The amount of institutional sexism and misogynist attacks that Hillary faces is unbelievable - ESPECIALLY from disgruntled Bernie supporters, which is hypocrisy at its peak. I don't understand the animosity from his supporters. I sure as hell don't hate Bernie - I grew up in Vermont and even met the guy several years ago! We're all on the same team here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ULIZOS Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 Well, I fucking hate Hilary. She's a disgusting hypocrite. I guess I'm a misogynist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skin Posted January 25, 2016 Author Share Posted January 25, 2016 I for one just hope Bloomberg doesn't decide to run because that could totally fuck everything up. The man is a rare ass breed which is by and large a liberal republican. Republicans hate him though, because he is liberal on so many issues, so my fear is that whoever the dem nominee ends up being him jumping into the race as in independent I would assume would split the dem vote possibly insuring that the republican nut job be it Trump or Cruz wins. For fucks sake. And this clip right here is something.....I am not into conspiracy theories but maybe Trump really is working for Hillary to ruin the republican party to assure her being President? Honestly I don't like tin foil hat theories so I really don't believe that, but it is weird how in a short span of time Trump has changed his positions on just about EVERYTHING! Is he simply a man with no core who says what ever suits him best at any given moment? That's even scarier if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulaAbdul Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 Well, I fucking hate Hilary. She's a disgusting hypocrite. I guess I'm a misogynist. Who isn't a fucking hypocrite in American politics? I mean, really? How is she ANY different from Obama? Yet everyone LOVES him and praises him endlessly and calls her a "Wall Street whore" when Obama is literally no different. It's sexism. I'm sorry, but it is. It's SUCH a disappointment that it's still such a huge issue in our society. It's no different than what Madonna faces in the music industry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ULIZOS Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 I don't love him at all. He disappointed me so much and helped me lose the little faith I had left in U.S. politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruncher9123 Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skin Posted January 25, 2016 Author Share Posted January 25, 2016 Quick! Someone take a dump in it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulaAbdul Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 I don't love him at all. He disappointed me so much and helped me lose the little faith I had left in U.S. politics. Well, that's complete bullshit. He's done a hell of a lot for our country given the situation he was handed. He doesn't get one iota of the amount of credit he deserves and much of that is racially motivated, I'm afraid. I think he's an extraordinary leader and he's achieved a lot and put the US back on the right track post-Bush. Now it's up to the next person to build on and excel upon the foundation that Obama's built. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivy Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 Who isn't a fucking hypocrite in American politics? I mean, really? How is she ANY different from Obama? Yet everyone LOVES him and praises him endlessly and calls her a "Wall Street whore" when Obama is literally no different. It's sexism. I'm sorry, but it is. It's SUCH a disappointment that it's still such a huge issue in our society. It's no different than what Madonna faces in the music industry. Hilary is very much like Australia's first female Prime Minister; Julia Gilard ( Jazzy, San and Vande I know you are Julia feminists so read no further ). A woman who thinks she is Madonna, Margaret Thatcher and Mae West all rolled into one, but as soon as someone criticizes her/ policies or cannot hack it in a male dominated arena, will always cry feminism this, misogyny that etc, and will have the bleeding hearts cry as well. Julia was as useful as tits on a bull and so will Hilary be. She is no Margaret Thatcher ( personality and determination wise, not policies ) and will end up more like that Philapino female primeminister who stole money and brought a lot of shoes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elayman Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 Hillary has grave legal issues that could totally prevent her from continuing her campaign, like felonious and criminal corruption in the highest echelons of the US government, but she has never cried misogyny as far as I know. So a Bloomberg independent candidacy would almost certainly hurt her more than the Republicans since it would give left leaning folks an outlet to push their ideas with someone who is not soiled with that sleaze). Although I doubt he would get in to be a spoiler. If a self avowed socialist is the candidate running against two billionaires, who knows ? Sometimes it really does feel like science fiction come to life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulaAbdul Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 Hillary has grave legal issues that could totally prevent her from continuing her campaign, like felonious and criminal corruption in the highest echelons of the US government, but she has never cried misogyny as far as I know. So a Bloomberg independent candidacy would almost certainly hurt her more than the Republicans since it would give left leaning folks an outlet to push their ideas with someone who is not soiled with that sleaze). Although I doubt he would get in to be a spoiler. If a self avowed socialist is the candidate running against two billionaires, who knows ? Sometimes it really does feel like science fiction come to life. That is BEYOND untrue. She has NO legal issues - that's total media fabrication bullshit. The CIA's already stated this numerous times and in fact has claimed Trey Gowdy falsified documents in attempt to frame her. If Hillary has "legal issues" then George W. Bush should be serving a life sentence for war crimes. People will believe ANYTHING the media tells them and it never ceases to boggle my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ULIZOS Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 Well, that's complete bullshit. He's done a hell of a lot for our country given the situation he was handed. He doesn't get one iota of the amount of credit he deserves and much of that is racially motivated, I'm afraid. I think he's an extraordinary leader and he's achieved a lot and put the US back on the right track post-Bush. Now it's up to the next person to build on and excel upon the foundation that Obama's built. Now I'm a racist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulaAbdul Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 Now I'm a racist. I never said YOU were racist. But just generally people's animosity towards Obama comes from a place of racism. Specifically the Republican Party's vow to force him to fail from the get go comes from a place of internalized racism. It's really, really hard in American society for minorities to achieve greatness. We have to work twice as hard to get half as far as the others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightshade Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 America is not likely to have a super liberal Messiah as President any time soon. I think a lot of you forget that Obama won the popular vote by about 4% in 2012. Any Presidential candidate has to win over states like Nevada, Ohio, Florida, Colorado and Iowa and you don't win those by being a major left-wing reformer. About half of the country leans conservative and you need some moderate voters to win. You can't do it by just appealing to the big city blue states. This is simultaneously why Hillary is the better general election candidate and yet is mistrusted by the grassroots liberal base. However, if those people would get on board with her, they'd see that she's a stronger wall against the radical GOP who'd likely undo Obama's legacy (and take us all back 50 years) the second they won the White House. In a general election match-up, I think she has a better chance of winning states like Ohio, Iowa, Florida and maybe even Missouri and Arizona. I also think she could lift down-ballot candidates in the general, and let's be honest - winning back the Senate (for Democrats) is just as important in 2016 as the Presidency. Why? 2018's midterm election is going to be a blood bath for the Senate Democrats and we need as much buffer as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacket Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 Politics is the art of the possible. Only the impotent are pure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elayman Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 That is BEYOND untrue. She has NO legal issues - that's total media fabrication bullshit. The CIA's already stated this numerous times and in fact has claimed Trey Gowdy falsified documents in attempt to frame her. If Hillary has "legal issues" then George W. Bush should be serving a life sentence for war crimes. People will believe ANYTHING the media tells them and it never ceases to boggle my mind. It is pretty obvious with everything that has been leaked so far that the F.B.I. has concluded there is overwhelming evidence of criminal wrongdoing on the part of Hillary Clinton, and that they will strongly recommend that the Justice Department pursue an indictment.for willful mishandling of national security information, including Top Secret and higher, as well as acceptance of contributions to the Clinton Foundation by foreign governments in return for favorable rulings by the State Department. Then Obama has a big decision to make..Action not to take up indictment may insure the election of Donald Trump. At the very least, it is going to destroy her presidential ambitions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moka Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 It is pretty obvious with everything that has been leaked so far that the F.B.I. has concluded there is overwhelming evidence of criminal wrongdoing on the part of Hillary Clinton, and that they will strongly recommend that the Justice Department pursue an indictment. Tell us more about it! Is there any evidence that Hillary killed J.F.K. too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ULIZOS Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 America is not likely to have a super liberal Messiah as President any time soon. Do you seriously think Bernie Sanders is a SUPER liberal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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