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Just because I think she did one shitty thing doesn't mean I'm "turning in my fan card". :rolleyes:

This is what I'm talking bout when I make fun of the "Madonna apologists." To them its like you have to be licking Madonna's anus and justifying everything she says or does to be considered a real fan. Gimme a break.

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You must be a new fan! Welcome aboard! :)/> Well let's catch ya up real quick....

Yes, if you consider being a fan since very early 1985 a new fan... Thanks but I do not need the information.. Now you might think someone smoking outside is a huge enough problem for Madonna to behave like that, I do not... but then I've in general never been someone to agree with everything she does.

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But that's exactly the point. Madonna is above and beyond the third-rate live performers that are Gaga, Janet, Mariah etc. etc. - and that is why it has been shocking and disappointing to the fans that this happened in Chile. Because it was entirely unprecedented. She was ill - we understand that. That is why in my opinion (and many other fans) she should have cancelled and given a refund to fans. The fact that was ill to perform a half-hearted show (and be awful to people in soundcheck) so she can collect a full paycheck is a little bit callous.

Sorry, that's just my opinion Just because I think she did one shitty thing doesn't mean I'm "turning in my fan card". :rolleyes:/>

the difference with those singers is that they cut the show for no apparent reason. I dont agree with Madonna cutting the show , i also think she should have cancelled, but lets not pretend she just did a half assed show because she is lazy, unprofessional and doesnt give a shit. I'm still amazed how people keep forgeting all the circumstances around this show

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Madonna was not behaving like a spolied brat.

We saw the videos from rehearsals. We know what made her snap.

She was so down to earth holding her own umbrella and shit, danciung in the rain....

I can try and picture Mariah, Jlo, or any other diva out there tough it out like that. never happening.

mariah e jlo in front of 50k?...yeah..never happening....maybe they've offer smoke to people to see them... :ohmy:
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Remember when Tori Amor went off on two fans who were on the front row at one of her concerts for being on their phones? She stopped in the middle of the song and told them to get the fuck out. Now Tori wasn't sick, she didn't have bronchitis. Now imagine if M had told then to get the fuck out? She had asked them nicely and very politely before she got annoyed. People still choose to ignore that fact. I like my Madonna crude and bitchy. Lovey dovey fan shit makes me cringe.

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Yes, if you consider being a fan since very early 1985 a new fan... Thanks but I do not need the information.. Now you might think someone smoking outside is a huge enough problem for Madonna to behave like that, I do not... but then I've in general never been someone to agree with everything she does.

It's just surprising that someone who's been following her since 1985 would even bat an eye at this. She's notorious for being a bitch for no good reason at all. Idk....how should you handle someone who blatantly ignored not only the general rules of the stadium, but your two first polite requests to stop smoking? You don't find it rude on his part at all? She didn't have to ask a fourth time! ;)

Would it have been bitchier for her to say no more and just simply have security remove him? Personally, that seems a bit extreme to me and if I were that fan, having her say that to me after I blatantly ignored her twice wouldn't offend me....I had it coming lol. However, if I were him and she had me thrown out, I would be pretty offended by that.

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BTW fromthe video on TUTR rehrarsal she did the hand gesture of smoking because I guess she tought they may not have understood what she was asking them. Just for the people suggesting the fans didn't know a word of English.

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When I saw MDNA we didnt get the motel, holiday, spanish lesson dont cry for me or love spent, but I hadnt got a clue.I also had the tellytubbies stage. I didnt look on youtube before and didnt know any difference I thought everything was perfect! If people want to see Madonna live, they get it! They shouldnt watch it before then complain.

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It's just surprising that someone who's been following her since 1985 would even bat an eye at this. She's notorious for being a bitch for no good reason at all. Idk....how should you handle someone who blatantly ignored not only the general rules of the stadium, but your two first polite requests to stop smoking? You don't find it rude on his part at all? She didn't have to ask a fourth time! ;)

Would it have been bitchier for her to say no more and just simply have security remove him? Personally, that seems a bit extreme to me and if I were that fan, having her say that to me after I blatantly ignored her twice wouldn't offend me....I had it coming lol. However, if I were him and she had me thrown out, I would be pretty offended by that.

Rules are there to be broken, pretty sure Madonna has broken more than a few rules in her time, and again I personally do not consider someone smoking outside in the fresh air for a big enough problem to behave like she did... now does it surprise me that she did? not especially, I do think that she should have been professional enough to have handled it differently though, as I personally do not think anything positive will come out of blowing something that much out of proportion...

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When I saw MDNA we didnt get the motel, holiday, spanish lesson dont cry for me or love spent, but I hadnt got a clue.I also had the tellytubbies stage. I didnt look on youtube before and didnt know any difference I thought everything was perfect! If people want to see Madonna live, they get it! They shouldnt watch it before then complain.

wow wheredid she skip Gang Bang?

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This is what I'm talking bout when I make fun of the "Madonna apologists." To them its like you have to be licking Madonna's anus and justifying everything she says or does to be considered a real fan. Gimme a break.

Thats not true in Madonnanation, this forum is famous for letting fans tear madonna appart (including Mods) and still being a fan, you cannot do that in other forums. thats why i like it in here

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You must be a new fan! Welcome aboard! :)/> Well let's catch ya up real quick....

Does anyone remember the story about the two little girls (around 4-6 yrs old) waiting for her in her hotel lobby during the Virgin Tour in 1985? They had been waiting all day, supposedly Madonna and her assistant had seen them several times and her assistant finally said "look, they've been here all day. Just give them an autograph." Supposedly Madonna went up to them, refused to sign their book, album (whatever they had that they wanted signed) and told them "if I do it for you I have to do it for everyone. You mean nothing to me." She then turned and left leaving one of the girls in tears. NOW....do I believe this story?? Not really...lol....BUT the point is, I don't NOT believe it. Why?? Because Madonna has ALWAYS been a bitch since day one. Deal with it. Lady Gaga and Mariah Carey forums are that way -------->

If you want "warm and fuzzy" Madge typically ain't the one!

With that said, as far as the smoking thing goes....first of all before the cigarette was even lit these motherfuckers should be HONORED that she didn't tell them to get the fuck out of her stadium during her rehearsal time. You do realize in a lot of places, fans were kicked out for trying to take a peek at rehearsal. Getting to watch the rehearsal is not part of ticket price. Secondly, after someone asks nicely not once but twice for you to quit blowing smoke in their face, then it's time to get nasty because unless there was indeed a language barrier, then at that point this fan is trying to be a dick and get a reaction. The fan is lucky she didn't have his ass thrown out. PERIOD.

As far as the altered show goes, I can't lie, I would've been pissed at the situation but ya know....human compassion and all that would've kicked in....as I feel it should for most (although that DOES NOT seem to be the case) and I would've taken the rain and the fact that she's ill into consideration. So, yeah...would've mad at the situation but not at Madonna herself. She is GODONNA but she can't control the rain and bitch has been on the road for like 7 months and been sick for a few weeks now so.....it happens. Anybody that can't relate to that is just a dick...sorry. :(/> Maybe I'm extra sensitive because I've been sick as hell all week myself. Going up the steps was enough to make me need a nap for 2 hours. I simply cannot imagine doing a show like that ill.....and I don't care how much money you're making, when you're sick you're SICK. I get the feeling she probably feels she over extended herself this time around. Bet we won't see her on the road for this long again without a break in between.

This is the dividing line...some fans simply refuse to admit to her mean/bitch side. You can, I can, some other can, but there are others here who are very offended by the very suggestion of it and take it as something negative. To me, it is apart of her overall allure. Warm and fuzzy she is not, never has been, and never will be and I personally love it that way.

...."Madonna can be mean sometime, I mean, we all can...I love it when she's mean..." - TOD

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Thats not true in Madonnanation, this forum is famous for letting fans tear madonna appart (including Mods) and still being a fan, you cannot do that in other forums. thats why i like it in here

Huh? This forum? I have the complete opposite impression....this place is crawling with M apologists. It is what makes a forum a forum.

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It's just surprising that someone who's been following her since 1985 would even bat an eye at this. She's notorious for being a bitch for no good reason at all. Idk....how should you handle someone who blatantly ignored not only the general rules of the stadium, but your two first polite requests to stop smoking? You don't find it rude on his part at all? She didn't have to ask a fourth time! ;)/>

Would it have been bitchier for her to say no more and just simply have security remove him? Personally, that seems a bit extreme to me and if I were that fan, having her say that to me after I blatantly ignored her twice wouldn't offend me....I had it coming lol. However, if I were him and she had me thrown out, I would be pretty offended by that.

LOL....I swear, WHERE were all you people when I was being torn to shreds for trying to have a conversation about M's bitch side?! I was basically alone in saying she was a notorious bitch and paid the price for it. The apologists had a field day with me! Just sayin....I am amused by the people coming out of the wood works who are openly admitting and claiming this, and they aren't even the same folks who privately messaged me back when the thread was current to say they agreed.

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Thats not true in Madonnanation, this forum is famous for letting fans tear madonna appart (including Mods) and still being a fan, you cannot do that in other forums. thats why i like it in here

I agree. Yes, if you criticize Madonna, other people will defend her and give their opinion but that's the nature of a forum. But people can criticize her without being constantly asked to leave the forum or cyber bullied. Try going to some other artists' forums and if you make the mildest criticism you will be bullied and feel like you have to leave. Madonna's fans actually seem much more critical of her and less blind to her faults than fans of most other artists.

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Huh? This forum? I have the complete opposite impression....this place is crawling with M apologists. It is what makes a forum a forum.

i think because you only joined recently but typically Mnation wont ban you for speaking your mind. there is a good balance of apologists and criticizers. nothing wrong with that it makes the forum interesting

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LOL....I swear, WHERE were all you people when I was being torn to shreds for trying to have a conversation about M's bitch side?! I was basically alone in saying she was a notorious bitch and paid the price for it. The apologists had a field day with me! Just sayin....I am amused by the people coming out of the wood works who are openly admitting and claiming this, and they aren't even the same folks who privately messaged me back when the thread was current to say they agreed.

thats because it was done off topic and people tend to get angry at off topic posters, regardless...opps i just did the same lol

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i think because you only joined recently but typically Mnation wont ban you for speaking your mind. there is a good balance of apologists and criticizers. nothing wrong with that it makes the forum interesting

Agreed. If we all agreed all the time it wouldn't be much of a forum...or very interesting. I love the heated spars that can flair up....it's like family ;)

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LOL....I swear, WHERE were all you people when I was being torn to shreds for trying to have a conversation about M's bitch side?! I was basically alone in saying she was a notorious bitch and paid the price for it. The apologists had a field day with me! Just sayin....I am amused by the people coming out of the wood works who are openly admitting and claiming this, and they aren't even the same folks who privately messaged me back when the thread was current to say they agreed.

There's a difference between saying Madonna can occasionally be a bitch if she's tired, sick, annoyed etc. and that her fundamental nature of her as a human being is a cold hearted bitch. Everyone can be bitchy sometimes in certain circumstances. I think most people agree she can be bitchy sometimes, but they don't agree that's her whole personality which you seem to think. You seem to be obsessed with proving she's a bitch and glad this all happened so that you could say you were right. How she acted was a little shocking I think because most of the time at least in public, she doesn't go that far, but instead laughs things off. But everyone has their limits and gets angry and is annoyed by people sometimes and basically get fed up and lose it. It's being human not being an evil bitch.

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thats because it was done off topic and people tend to get angry at off topic posters, regardless...opps i just did the same lol

No, it was a dedicated thread to it.....I think it made people MORE upset than when it was mentioned OT.

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There's a difference between saying Madonna can occasionally be a bitch if she's tired, sick, annoyed etc. and that her fundamental nature of her as a human being is a cold hearted bitch. Everyone can be bitchy sometimes in certain circumstances. I think most people agree she can be bitchy sometimes, but they don't agree that's her whole personality which you seem to think. You seem to be obsessed with proving she's a bitch and glad this all happened so that you could say you were right. How she acted was a little shocking I think because most of the time at least in public, she doesn't go that far, but instead laughs things off. But everyone has their limits and gets angry and is annoyed by people sometimes and basically get fed up and lose it. It's being human not being an evil bitch.

Obviously you never read any of my posts, I never, ever said anything of the sort, but whatever.... ;)/>

Her bitchy moments like this is exactly what I was referring to, I never suggested she was some evil, cold hearted cunt like you are saying, I don't think any of us could truly love her if that were the case. I just wanted to discuss how she CAN be a mean bitch, it is one side of her....go back and re-read, you misunderstood.

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Obviously you never read any of my posts, I never, ever said anything of the sort, but whatever.... ;)

That's how you come across. You just seem to be obsessed with this subject and post about it constantly. You say Madonna is bitchy, but can you find an example of a another celebrity who never gets upset or says anything bitchy about anyone? I don't think so, because no one's perfect.

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That's how you come across. You just seem to be obsessed with this subject and post about it constantly. You say Madonna is bitchy, but can you find an example of a another celebrity who never gets upset or says anything bitchy about anyone? I don't think so, because no one's perfect.

Post about it constantly? LOL...do I have an alter ego here, cause I spoke of it OT once, got bitched at for that and was told to start a new topic on it if I wanted to discuss it, was crucified for doing so, and I only spoke of it in that topic....be fair please.

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wow wheredid she skip Gang Bang?

Only in Santiago (and the Olympia show in Paris).

But in Birmingham, the motel never appeared on stage, so Madonna and the dancers had to improvise the entire performance

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I was there! I actually thought at the time they were trying it without the motel because they were all so on the ball doing it without. Although I love seeing the motel in videos, I was in total awe of the backgrounds for Gang Bang in particular and thing it would have detracted to have the set there. There were all kind of cockups that night - the doors didn't close at all for JML or Vogue, and she didn't come up on time for I'm Addicted, and she sounded so horrific on I'm a Sinner I wanted to die. That said it was absolutely incredible. She is a force, not a person, and she just commands attention unlike anything I've ever seen.

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I think it actually looks quite good without the motel as well! Well done to the Queen and the dancers.

By the way this "Cmoody" thing or person (or whatever it is) is not really a Madonna fan at all is it? He's some sort of seedy wannabe pornstar isn't he? Most unsavoury character.

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LOL....I swear, WHERE were all you people when I was being torn to shreds for trying to have a conversation about M's bitch side?! I was basically alone in saying she was a notorious bitch and paid the price for it. The apologists had a field day with me! Just sayin....I am amused by the people coming out of the wood works who are openly admitting and claiming this, and they aren't even the same folks who privately messaged me back when the thread was current to say they agreed.

I think you will find that we were all there saying the exact same things.

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