afrolito Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 RELATIVE. WORD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeSomeMo Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 this has nothing to do wth madonna or joanne. nothing. is ringo starr a talented drummer? to some. that makes it relative. is courtney love a talented guitarist? to some. that makes it relative. is jane child a talented singer? to some. that makes it relative. is janet jackson a talented song writer? to some. that makes it relative. is yoko ono a talented singer? to some. that makes it relative. is picasso a talented painter? to some. that makes it relative. You keep confusing whether someone LIKES Ringo Starr or Courtney Love with the FACT if they have talent or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadFan Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 such talent in here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loomer Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 Gaga has oodles of TALANT to spare Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niitsitapi Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 Talent is relative. The Ringo Starr and Courtney Love examples were spot on. By Gimme's logic they do have talent but I know a lot of guitarists and drummers who laugh at their abilities. This conversation reminds me of years back when Alicia Keys won all of those Grammy's. Clive Davis marketed her as this classically trained pianist and skilled songwriter to give her more credibility. After wards there was this huge backlash within the R&B community because people said her skills on the piano were very basic and her songwriter was juvenile. Gaga and her people are very smart because they understand the power of perception. Her music is not any more cutting edge than the Britney's and the Kylie's of the world yet she is perceived to have more depth because we occasionally see her behind the piano and we're constantly reminded that she writes her own songs. It's all marketing. It's why Beyonce pays songwriters to remove their name from the credits so that she can be viewed as a songwriter. It's why Lauryn Hill took credit for work that she didn't do on her album and was called out about it years later. People want to feel like they're listening to music of substance and they feel like if they listen to a SINGER/SONGWRITER/MUSICIAN that they're doing just that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niitsitapi Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 Also, a lot of people swear up and down that rappers don't have any real talent while there are others that will talk to you for hours about how rap is an art form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jamesshot Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 Talent is relative. The Ringo Starr and Courtney Love examples were spot on. By Gimme's logic they do have talent but I know a lot of guitarists and drummers who laugh at their abilities. This conversation reminds me of years back when Alicia Keys won all of those Grammy's. Clive Davis marketed her as this classically trained pianist and skilled songwriter to give her more credibility. After wards there was this huge backlash within the R&B community because people said her skills on the piano were very basic and her songwriter was juvenile. Gaga and her people are very smart because they understand the power of perception. Her music is not any more cutting edge than the Britney's and the Kylie's of the world yet she is perceived to have more depth because we occasionally see her behind the piano and we're constantly reminded that she writes her own songs. It's all marketing. It's why Beyonce pays songwriters to remove their name from the credits so that she can be viewed as a songwriter. It's why Lauryn Hill took credit for work that she didn't do on her album and was called out about it years later. People want to feel like they're listening to music of substance and they feel like if they listen to a SINGER/SONGWRITER/MUSICIAN that they're doing just that. Spot on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip The Switch Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camacho Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 Was this posted already here? Andy Cohen posted this Is Gaga working thru Madonna playbook-giving finger looking v 'true blue'.. 'alejandro' is essentially 'isla bonita'. this is original? 9:06 AM Jun 12th via web Ingrid Casares commented to him @BravoAndy as my friend madonna says"is that the video where she thinks she is me"??... weird!! 3:34 PM Jun 12th via web in reply to BravoAndy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genevieve Vavance Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 Was this posted already here? Andy Cohen posted this Is Gaga working thru Madonna playbook-giving finger looking v 'true blue'.. 'alejandro' is essentially 'isla bonita'. this is original? 9:06 AM Jun 12th via web Ingrid Casares commented to him @BravoAndy as my friend madonna says"is that the video where she thinks she is me"??... weird!! 3:34 PM Jun 12th via web in reply to BravoAndy :lmao: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 Was this posted already here? Andy Cohen posted this Is Gaga working thru Madonna playbook-giving finger looking v 'true blue'.. 'alejandro' is essentially 'isla bonita'. this is original? 9:06 AM Jun 12th via web Ingrid Casares commented to him @BravoAndy as my friend madonna says"is that the video where she thinks she is me"??... weird!! 3:34 PM Jun 12th via web in reply to BravoAndy hahahahahha. I could so imagine her saying that. And smiling wryly. Or throwing her head back and laughing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narendra Sen Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 @BravoAndy as my friend madonna says"is that the video where she thinks she is me"??... weird!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horn Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elysium Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 Was this posted already here? Ingrid Casares commented to him @BravoAndy as my friend madonna says"is that the video where she thinks she is me"??... weird!! 3:34 PM Jun 12th via web in reply to BravoAndy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pud Whacker Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 Was this posted already here? Andy Cohen posted this Is Gaga working thru Madonna playbook-giving finger looking v 'true blue'.. 'alejandro' is essentially 'isla bonita'. this is original? 9:06 AM Jun 12th via web Ingrid Casares commented to him @BravoAndy as my friend madonna says"is that the video where she thinks she is me"??... weird!! 3:34 PM Jun 12th via web in reply to BravoAndy thats our madonna. in print she will say, "shes wonderful" - love the behind the scenes real chatter. xo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 Pud, I don't think she has ever given Gaga a straight up compliment anyway. At all. She didn't take her eyes off her blackberry when she went to her show. She said that she reminded of her 'when she first started and things were a mess'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greeny Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 She started dressing like me and talking like me It freaked me out She started dying her hair and wearing the same Perfume as me She started reading my books and stealin' my looks And lingerie She's not me She doesn't have my name She'll never have what I have It won't be the same It won't be the same I know I can do it better i just realized Madge already foresee all this this song must be dedicated to Gaga Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andra Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 Jesus posted this on his twitter the video: Source: http://papelpop.com/...pia-da-madonna/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip The Switch Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 She started dressing like me and talking like me It freaked me out She started dying her hair and wearing the same Perfume as me She started reading my books and stealin' my looks And lingerie She's not me She doesn't have my name She'll never have what I have It won't be the same It won't be the same I know I can do it better i just realized Madge already foresee all this this song must be dedicated to Gaga Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 Jesus posted this on his twitter the video: Source: http://papelpop.com/...pia-da-madonna/ ahahahahhahahahahhhaa. What a Madonnabe she is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pud Whacker Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 Pud, I don't think she has ever given Gaga a straight up compliment anyway. At all. She didn't take her eyes off her blackberry when she went to her show. She said that she reminded of her 'when she first started and things were a mess'. joanne's awful. http://madonnascrapbook.blogspot.com/2010/06/madonnas-ex-husband-ingrid-casares.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Not4Pussies Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 Lol ay M, as much as I think M doesn't pay attention to gaga, I think it comes to a point where she realizes how hard she is getting ripped off. So it goes from flattery to insult Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLVC82 Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 Lol ay M, as much as I think M doesn't pay attention to gaga, I think it comes to a point where she realizes how hard she is getting ripped off. So it goes from flattery to insult yup....i think she's feeling it now....at the beginning she thought "oh that's cute...another one" but because Lady Gaga is having all this success and using past MADONNA for it......she's pissed....I hope she fucks her over soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Not4Pussies Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 that's it... steven klein is fired!! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeSomeMo Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 I wonder if Madonna is really behind all these little digs. Its all so Aguilera. She must be feeling the heat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afrolito Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 Was this posted already here? Andy Cohen posted this Is Gaga working thru Madonna playbook-giving finger looking v 'true blue'.. 'alejandro' is essentially 'isla bonita'. this is original? 9:06 AM Jun 12th via web Ingrid Casares commented to him @BravoAndy as my friend madonna says"is that the video where she thinks she is me"??... weird!! 3:34 PM Jun 12th via web in reply to BravoAndy I sooo believe she said that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narendra Sen Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 As Pink said: I don't think imitation is the highest form of flattery, I think it's annoying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genevieve Vavance Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 thats our madonna. in print she will say, "shes wonderful" - love the behind the scenes real chatter. xo you know that she's just being nice for the media, but deep inside she's still a bitch I love her Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niitsitapi Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 I wonder if Madonna is really behind all these little digs. That's what I was thinking. Two of her friends post similar comments on Twitter around the same time, hhhmmm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pud Whacker Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 you know that she's just being nice for the media, but deep inside she's still a bitch I love her of course!!! she would never publicly say it, it would be her ex-husband ingrid. and i love how its so dismissive in typical madonna fashion. people are all probably up her cooch asking what she thinks and shes like - oh, is that one where shes trying to be me? ahahhahahhahah she doesnt even care. oh, another wannabe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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