Guest Therealalejandro Posted March 19, 2010 Share Posted March 19, 2010 Despite their first two albums happening around the same time, I think throughout the 1980s Janet and Madonna were in different places career-wise, and only rivaled each other on scant levels. For all intents and purposes, Control is Janet's "coming out." At the same time, meanwhile, Madonna had just successfully graduated from fad to mainstay. With Rhythm Nation, Janet was in the 'Like a Virgin' phase of her recording career; she still had that new appeal that made people instantly latch onto everything she did, but she wasn't yet a fully developed icon -- unlike Madonna, who by that same time was a global superstar, and had been for years. Even though Whitney's debut album happened during the same window of time that Control did, because of the quick way she ferociously exploded onto the scene...was mass marketed to, and was fully embraced by, mainstream/middle America (and globally)...and with the swiftness between her first two albums, I think she more quickly ascended to 'mainstay' hitmaker status. By the end of the decade, she was in the same singing-superstar stratosphere as Madonna and Michael. With Rhythm Nation only existing in the final months of the 1980s, I don't know if Janet had that same clout. She was still proving herself to not be a fad, and didn't graduate until the janet. album. Isn't she still trying to prove that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 19, 2010 Share Posted March 19, 2010 hahahha I love Therealalejandro. Gaga is a mess and the world will know it soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest nothingfails0603 Posted March 19, 2010 Share Posted March 19, 2010 maybe she aligns herself with Michael, Prince and Madonna, but.... does she align herself with Mary J. Bliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiige? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsaacHarris Posted March 19, 2010 Share Posted March 19, 2010 "Right now, I'm on salads and soups. Onion soup." Health-Queen Whitney! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 19, 2010 Share Posted March 19, 2010 Queen of ghetto crazy you mean? Love her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest nothingfails0603 Posted March 19, 2010 Share Posted March 19, 2010 I don't think Whitney meant all that much 2 the first MTV generation..that's why I don't c her as an integral part of the 1980's..she didn't have a grasp on youth culture. Even Janice was bigger in that context. Well you're right but at the same time, you gotta remember how big Whitney was in the 80's. I think her emergence not long after Madonna's played a big part in the arrival of female artists selling as much as men. I read somewhere (I think UKMix) that at the end of the 1980's, Madonna's LAV and TB and Whitney's first two albums were the four biggest selling albums by a female artist. So you have to remember how popular she was in the day. She and Madonna both broke down the glass ceiling for how much a female artist could sell, opening the door for Mariah, Celine, Britney, Shania, Alanis and the other female artists to follow who have scored diamond selling albums, as females never sold like their male counterparts pre-LAV and Whitney Houston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Coked Up Baby Boy Posted March 19, 2010 Share Posted March 19, 2010 Poor washed up has been Whitney, can't sing, looks like shit and comments on the "dark nature" of other acts even though she's a crack whore. "To me it's not becoming".....really Whitney?.....because so much about you IS becoming . Oh well, it was nice once for you my dear i'm sure, oh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 19, 2010 Share Posted March 19, 2010 hahahhaha.^ THATS RIGHT! DEFEND GAGA, QUEEN OF FASHION RIP OFF DEVELOPED INTO TACKY HALLOWEN COSTUMES. Truth hurts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadFan Posted March 20, 2010 Share Posted March 20, 2010 QUEEN Whitney. It doesn't get wiser. "Right now I'm on salads, and soup, um, onion soup is a very, um, it's an astringent. It cleanses the body, it cleanses, um, onions." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest nothingfails0603 Posted March 20, 2010 Share Posted March 20, 2010 Poor washed up has been Whitney, can't sing, looks like shit and comments on the "dark nature" of other acts even though she's a crack whore. "To me it's not becoming".....really Whitney?.....because so much about you IS becoming . Oh well, it was nice once for you my dear i'm sure, oh well. I like Whitney but I do agree with you on this. Whitney relied on her voice for everything and now her voice has gone to shit, so what exactly does she have to fall back on? I like some of the uptempo and midtempo tracks on her album but those are songs that can be done by just about anyone. It was all about her voice and now that voice is wasted so exactly what is her selling point today except the whole "I'm clean" angle and 80's/90's nostalgia. It's good to actually rely on more than just your singing voice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 20, 2010 Share Posted March 20, 2010 Well maybe she will recover from her addiction like Gaga and then she will be back on top? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 20, 2010 Share Posted March 20, 2010 Aww thats my Whit! I look forwards to going to see her in Birmingham soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agclef Posted March 20, 2010 Share Posted March 20, 2010 Clearly she's not a fan of Gaga “There are some extremely gifted and talented young women and young men out there who don’t have to really put on Halloween costumes, just be themselves,” she said. “A little extravagance, a little flair, a little sexiness or a sultriness is cool, but some of them are very dark. … To me, it’s not becoming.” 4:35 for the Madonna/Prince/Michael part http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXUqdcUPpRE Holy cow - she is just getting dumber and DUMBER, she sounds completely ignorant when she speaks now and unintelligible - what a damn shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bliss Posted March 20, 2010 Share Posted March 20, 2010 The addict resembles Chaka Khan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elysium Posted March 20, 2010 Share Posted March 20, 2010 If any artist from the 80's can align themselves with 80's icons like Madonna, Michael Jackson and Prince, then it's Whitney. Those names are synonymous with the 1980's whether you like it or not. Never been a major fan but Whitney had almost as many international hits as Madonna in the 80's and at least she wasn't like more recent pop "diva's" ripping ideas off Grace Jones, Cyndi Lauper, Cher, Warhol and Madonna passing them off as original "pop art" - unlike GaGa. Regardless of whether Whitney has bitched about Madonna in the past, M has always responded graciously. I remember around the time of the Music album release with all the controversy over Whitney's drug taking. Madonna defended Whitney to a reporter saying that she seemed 'fine' and did not appear to be under the influence of drugs the last time they met. Further evidence of Madonna's true class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky guy Posted March 21, 2010 Share Posted March 21, 2010 She's talking A LOT of sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horn Posted March 21, 2010 Share Posted March 21, 2010 I dun think they had been in bad blood before. Although Whitney had commented during Madge Sex era "I feel like the whole Madonna thing is gonna die" but few years later Whitney sent a bouquet of flowers to Madge and wrote "I know how you felt, With love Whitney" during Madge's 1995 stalker case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest groovyguy Posted March 21, 2010 Share Posted March 21, 2010 Whitney about Madonna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narendra Sen Posted March 21, 2010 Share Posted March 21, 2010 ^ Ain't that rite? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosmic_system Posted March 21, 2010 Author Share Posted March 21, 2010 This is for the "oh Madonna doesn't care about charts and never did" fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadFan Posted March 21, 2010 Share Posted March 21, 2010 I remember a reporter asking Whitney something like how she would explain Madonna's fashion choices (cone bras) to her children and she gracefully answered "there are other things that are more important." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosmic_system Posted March 21, 2010 Author Share Posted March 21, 2010 I remember a reporter asking Whitney something like what she would tell her kids if they saw Madonna's cone bras and she so gracefully answered "there are other things that are more important." Yep in 98-99, she also said the cone bras were just stage costumes and Madonna wasn't actually "living" in them all day long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fak Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 I don't think Whitney meant all that much 2 the first MTV generation..that's why I don't c her as an integral part of the 1980's..she didn't have a grasp on youth culture. Even Janice was bigger in that context. Whitney was probably not part of the MTV generation because she was one of the few artisst who could actually sing so she did not have to rely on "imagery" as much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattress Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 Whitney was probably not part of the MTV generation because she was one of the few artisst who could actually sing so she did not have to rely on "imagery" as much. She couldn't rely on "imagery". She was pretty but not a creative being and was locked into a machine uninterested in (and largely incapable of) building her as anything more than a "voice". 140 year old Clive Davis literally sits Whitney down in a room and plays tapes of demos he thinks will be appropriate for her to record for his label and it's always been that way. To keep her "hip", her handlers watered down already tired trends (musn't offend the AC audience) and occasionally paired her with a hot songwriter and/or duet partner. We won't even discuss her lack of dancing ability. Anyway, this comes from someone who enjoyed some of her music. It's her null sense of humor in interviews that gets under my skin more than any of the above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkyHigh76 Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 There was never any beef/drama between Madonna and Whitney.The two of them ran into each other at a Prince concert in March 1993 and were seen chatting and laughing in the lobby,as if they were good friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolidayGuy Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 Madge famously talked about Whitney and Mimi not having a point of view. However, since the late 90s, there seems to be no ill will between them (since both were mothers). Whitney talked about knowing Madonna and that she doesn't wear the cone bras and all that at home, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 This is for the "oh Madonna doesn't care about charts and never did" fans. I think the difference is that Madonna cares about success and being loved. She doesn't care about chart numbers more than she cares about saying what she thinks. Thats the point you don't seem to get. There are plenty of artists out there who will sacrifice doing what they want in order to get to number one. Madonna doesn't do that. I never said she's unhappy when people love her work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosmic_system Posted March 23, 2010 Author Share Posted March 23, 2010 Can you please shut the fuck up for once?You're just like a VIRUS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 Can you please shut the fuck up for once?You're just like a VIRUS! Because I don't agree with your inane opinion? Get over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosmic_system Posted March 23, 2010 Author Share Posted March 23, 2010 No, because you SHIT in every single thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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