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So true. Madonna always had someone selling more than her, "seasonal phenomenons" or masterpieces. Selling 600K now remains a sad thing, but...

1984 Bruce Springsteen “Born in the U.S.A.” 15×p

1984 Prince “Purple Rain” 13×p

1984 Madonna “Like A Virgin” 10xp

1986 Bon Jovi “Slippery When Wet 12×p

1986 Madonna “True Blue” 7xp

1989 Janet Jackson “Rhythm Nation 1814” 6×p

1989 Madonna “Like A Prayer” 4xp

1990 Garth Brooks “No Fences” 17×p

1990 Madonna “The Immaculate Collection” 10xp

1990 Madonna “I'm Breathless” 2xp

1992 Whitney Houston & V.A. “The Bodyguard” 20×p

1992 Kenny G “Breathless” 12×p

1992 Madonna “Erotica” 2xp

1994 Hootie and the Blowfish “Cracked Rear View” 16xp

1994 TLC “CrazySexyCool” 11xp

1994 Boyz II Men “II” 12×p

1994 Green Day “Dookie” 10xp

1994 The Offspring “Smash” 6xp

1994 Madonna “Bedtime Stories” 3xp

1995 Alanis Morissette “Jagged Little Pill” 17×p

1995 Jewel “Pieces of You” 12xp

1995 Shania Twain “The Woman in Me” 12xp

1995 Mariah Carey “Daydream” 10xp

1995 No Doubt “Tragic Kingdom” 10xp

1995 Madonna “Something To Remember” 3xp

1996 Matchbox Twenty “Yourself or Someone Like You” 12×p

1996 Celine Dion “Falling into You” 11xp

1996 2pac “All Eyez On Me” 9×p

1996 Madonna & V.A. “Evita” 5xp

1998 Garth Brooks “Double Live” 20×p

1998 Dixie Chicks “Wide Open Spaces” 12xp

1998 *NSYNC “*NSYNC” 11xp

1998 Kid Rock “Devil Without a Cause” 11xp

1998 Madonna “Ray Of Light” 4xp

2000 Linkin Park “Hybrid Theory” 16×p

2000 *NSYNC “No Strings Attached” 11xp

2000 Britney Spears “ Oops!… I Did It Again” 10×p

2000 The Beatles “1” 10×p

2000 Madonna “Music” 3xp

2003 Norah Jones “Come Away With Me” 10xp

2003 Madonna “American Life” 1xp

2005 Carrie Underwood “Some Hearts” 7×p

2005 Mariah Carey “The Emancipation Of Mimi” 6xp

2005 Madonna “Confessions On A Dance Floor” 1xp

What's interesting here ist that Madonna was always there!

Even though she may have not be the biggest seller she was always present while the rest are more or less out of the picture.

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It's not looking good...

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At least Mariah is getting hit also. She drops to from 25-33. Some good news. :lol:

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i could almost bet that they scrap the whole project after gi2m. wbr probably doesnt care b/c i'm sure they at least made some money off the whole thing and they'll just release the ghv3 in september instead of a third single.

M probably is focused on the tour and any video we get just might be like GT or jump and that wont do anything anyway and she is not gonna go to any shows (she would have already) so shes not really too interested either

plus its only at 57 so its chart run isn't finished just yet and gi2m will do ok with digital sales once the single is released on itunes next week-ok meaning mid debut and 4 or 5 weeks on the top 100 tracks chart-

in the end tours are the money maker in camp Madge, albums are only a accessory to her career at this point

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Scanned 10,524, for a cume of 580,934- 61,000 and change ahead of where American Life was after 10 weeks. It continues to see similar weekly tallies to AL- AL did 10,490 in its 10th week, but dropped 89-103 on the Billboard 200 that week.

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It's sad for me to say this but I really do hope that HC can scan 1 million.

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At least Mariah is getting hit also. She drops to from 25-33. Some good news. :lol:

How is that good news? Mariah continues to beat Madonna's ass on the charts. Mariah's album came out 2 weeks before Hard Candy, yet it's still higher on the charts.

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Madonna is still the #9 selling album in the world, with 88,000 units. Mariah dropped off and sold less than 30,000. There is a big world outside the US and selling units is selling units. I would be much more concerned with number of units total than number of units in the US. Remember there is more to this world than the US.

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the fall is expected... there is nothing going on much for GIVE IT 2 ME... don't compare to COADF, it had holiday sales...

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How is that good news? Mariah continues to beat Madonna's ass on the charts. Mariah's album came out 2 weeks before Hard Candy, yet it's still higher on the charts.

Well, Mariblah Cow sold 6m+ of her previous turd in the US. This time she will be lucky if she sells 1.5m meaning she lost over 4.5m buyers :demonic:

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At least Mariah is getting hit also. She drops to from 25-33. Some good news. :lol:

well, I´m sure we will be very suprised if GI2M reachs number 25!

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wow! those are low numbers... i guess, Madge can now just focus on the next album and sadly, HC era might end so soon... i hope the 3rd best of wud be more exciting...

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Week 10

57 MADONNA HARD CANDY 10,524 -11% 580,934

24 MADONNA CONFESSIONS 25,600 -10% 1,203,833

103 MADONNA AMERICAN LIFE 10,490 -9% 519,827

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As Give it 2 me doesn't seem to be helping the album sales, I'm curious to see if her turning 50 next month will have any impact on Hard Candy.

ROL's sales actually increased for a couple of weeks when she turned 40 (OMG. Already 10 years ago!). But that was a better album and there was positive buzz about her turning 40 and being spiritual and a mother.

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As Give it 2 me doesn't seem to be helping the album sales, I'm curious to see if her turning 50 next month will have any impact on Hard Candy.

ROL's sales actually increased for a couple of weeks when she turned 40 (OMG. Already 10 years ago!). But that was a better album and there was positive buzz about her turning 40 and being spiritual and a mother.

Yeah but VH1 had their Behind the Music which aired on her 40th and repeated non stop forever. And MTV had a bunch of Madonna specials. I doubt they will be doing anything for her 50th. They have too many shit reality shows to show.

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^ Instead of her being 50 and a home-wrecker? :lol:

:demonic:

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Guest Joey's Hung Up On Madonna

Those albums going 66x platinum sold that went PRIOR to this 2006 when the music industry was still semi-ok. The only way to sell music in our country is to release something of HIGH QUALITY that all ages of people buy - Even older people who don't download music as much.

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So true. Madonna always had someone selling more than her, "seasonal phenomenons" or masterpieces. Selling 600K now remains a sad thing, but...

1989 Janet Jackson “Rhythm Nation 1814” 6×p

1989 Madonna “Like A Prayer” 4xp

You forgot:

1989 Paula Abdul "Forever Your Girl" 7 x p

(it was released in 1988 but exploded in 1989 and stayed in the top-10 for almost as long as Like A Prayer was in the top-100 at the same time)

It's true, Madonna was never the biggest seller even among females. But she was always around.

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Madonna is still the #9 selling album in the world, with 88,000 units. Mariah dropped off and sold less than 30,000. There is a big world outside the US and selling units is selling units. I would be much more concerned with number of units total than number of units in the US. Remember there is more to this world than the US.

Technically there's no world outside the US in a BB200 chart discussion. Just a bunch of space.

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You forgot:

1989 Paula Abdul "Forever Your Girl" 7 x p

(it was released in 1988 but exploded in 1989 and stayed in the top-10 for almost as long as Like A Prayer was in the top-100 at the same time)

It's true, Madonna was never the biggest seller even among females. But she was always around.

Not true, Madonna was the best selling female in 1985 with her Like A Virgin album.

Best selling albums of 1985 according to BillBoard:

1 Bruce Springsteen

Born In The U.S.A.

Columbia

2 Bryan Adams

Reckless

A&M

3 Madonna

Like A Virgin

Sire

4 Wham!

Make It Big

Columbia

5 Tina Turner

Private Dancer

Capitol

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Not true, Madonna was the best selling female in 1985 with her Like A Virgin album.

Best selling albums of 1985 according to BillBoard:

1 Bruce Springsteen

Born In The U.S.A.

Columbia

2 Bryan Adams

Reckless

A&M

3 Madonna

Like A Virgin

Sire

4 Wham!

Make It Big

Columbia

5 Tina Turner

Private Dancer

Capitol

Yeah, 1985 was the only year Madonna was THE RED HOT female performer and no other female artist could touch her that year. After that though, she's always been there but you guys have made excellent points. At any given time (except '85) throughout her career there has always been some other female artist who was bigger than her at that time. Typically though, they are nowhere as consistent as Madonna.

I wouldn't dare call LAP a flop, but to me just looking at the bare stats and all the good it had going for it and the music market in 1989, I have to say I've always felt that album underperformed.

And do TRUST AND BELIEVE had this forum been around in 1989 this forum would've been a madhouse. "OMG LAP ONLY went to number one for 3 weeks but the song and video are her best EVER. I thought it would beat LAV 6 week run at number one. She's a flop if she can't beat LAV with THIS masterpiece. OMG LAP is only at 4 million in sales. True Blue sold 7 million and Like A Virgin 10 million....does this mean since the 80's are over she is also since her sales keep declining with each album!??!?!" MAYBE PAULA ABDUL IS THE NEW QUEEN OF POP FOR THE 90'S....AFTER ALL HER ALBUM SOLD WHAT TRUE BLUE SOLD. PAULA IS THE NEW MADONNA!!!" Madonna's old now. I'll be forever your girl Paula!!! :)"

so funny.....and the Erotica years around here would've been a real hoot I'm sure....lol

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And do TRUST AND BELIEVE had this forum been around in 1989 this forum would've been a madhouse. "OMG LAP ONLY went to number one for 3 weeks but the song and video are her best EVER. I thought it would beat LAV 6 week run at number one. She's a flop if she can't beat LAV with THIS masterpiece. OMG LAP is only at 4 million in sales. True Blue sold 7 million and Like A Virgin 10 million....does this mean since the 80's are over she is also since her sales keep declining with each album!??!?!" MAYBE PAULA ABDUL IS THE NEW QUEEN OF POP FOR THE 90'S....AFTER ALL HER ALBUM SOLD WHAT TRUE BLUE SOLD. PAULA IS THE NEW MADONNA!!!" Madonna's old now. I'll be forever your girl Paula!!! :)"

so funny.....and the Erotica years around here would've been a real hoot I'm sure....lol

The 1989 charts debates were just like that!

I collect album reviews and sales data comparisons since the LAP era:

that album was often labelled as a disappointment, there are many reviews

stating

"Ok, she tried to shock us with the first single and video, so the album went to no.1. Then she spent millions of dollars for the second video, but the song flopped (= it didn't catch the no.1 spot). Now we've got a third single and video, in which she tries to be sweet smiling among dolphins. But there's a fact: LAP is struggling to sell a half of what TB did, and Madonna lost her identity. USA has its new Madonna now: Paula Abdul. She sings better than Madonna, she dances better than her".

Other pearls:

"Be careful, Madonna, you are 30 and a series of 20yo newcomers is ready to steal your crown. Their names are Martika, whose Toy Soldier is a tremendous hit, Jody Watley, Tiffany".

"Promise To Try" composed for the fans of Debbie Gibson, because she's a copycat of her ballads.

"Madonna is trying to recupe her lost fans, tired of her sex/religion exploits, so her new single Dear Jessie is a baroque and her new video is a cartoon, but it is already a flop".

"Madonna recycled the vogueing and released a catchy but forgettable song. But the real winner of this 1990 is Sinead O'Connor"

"Nobody is interested to a Madonna greatest hits because everybody owns the albums. She was forced to realize a porno video trying to sell her GH"

Etcetera.

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oh god, I remember the Paula stuff. My sister who was a huge fan even thought that Madonna was going out the door as soon as the 90's took over while Paula was going to become the next big icon

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The 1989 charts debates were just like that!

I collect album reviews and sales data comparisons since the LAP era:

that album was often labelled as a disappointment, there are many reviews

stating

"Ok, she tried to shock us with the first single and video, so the album went to no.1. Then she spent millions of dollars for the second video, but the song flopped (= it didn't catch the no.1 spot). Now we've got a third single and video, in which she tries to be sweet smiling among dolphins. But there's a fact: LAP is struggling to sell a half of what TB did, and Madonna lost her identity. USA has its new Madonna now: Paula Abdul. She sings better than Madonna, she dances better than her".

Other pearls:

"Be careful, Madonna, you are 30 and a series of 20yo newcomers is ready to steal your crown. Their names are Martika, whose Toy Soldier is a tremendous hit, Jody Watley, Tiffany".

"Promise To Try" composed for the fans of Debbie Gibson, because she's a copycat of her ballads.

"Madonna is trying to recupe her lost fans, tired of her sex/religion exploits, so her new single Dear Jessie is a baroque and her new video is a cartoon, but it is already a flop".

"Madonna recycled the vogueing and released a catchy but forgettable song. But the real winner of this 1990 is Sinead O'Connor"

"Nobody is interested to a Madonna greatest hits because everybody owns the albums. She was forced to realize a porno video trying to sell her GH"

Etcetera.

:lmao:

What's funny is that you can use those quotes for all of the Madonna eras since then. Even Ray Of Light, when Madonna was outsold by the likes of Shania Twain, Celine Dion and Lauryn Hill.

And I agree with Kurt, it does feel that the Like A Prayer underperformed, but as said, she changed her image so she probably lost a lot of young and casual fans. It was more or less a 50% drop in the USA, but if you look at worldwide stats, it sold 10 million less than True Blue.

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USA has its new Madonna now: Paula Abdul. She sings better than Madonna

:megamanson:

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Technically there's no world outside the US in a BB200 chart discussion. Just a bunch of space.

Very true but don't forget that when these charts were created back in the day technology was very different and the internet also didn't exist. In some ways, if you really think about it, it's a bit out of date. The internet has made things more of a global community. I am not bitching or asking for things to change. Just making an observation.

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What's funny is that you can use those quotes for all of the Madonna eras since then

...And you can use them for all artists who have a career that has lasted more than 20 years.

For David Bowie since the "death" of Ziggy Stardust (1973!), it doesn't matter if he released his best albums since then.

For Prince since Purple Rain (Parade and Sign 'o' The Times, among its best works, were labelled as flops)

For Michael Jackson... I remember many people stating "Bad" was a disappointment after "Thriller"!

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