HolidayGuy Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 SB, I think you have to step outside the box a little and note that Discipline is a BIG commercial disappointment (like the past 2 albums), and not think otherwise. I mean, less than 330,000 in 5 weeks' time, with sales down to where they are- very disappointing. I hope the three-strikes-and-you're-out mentality doesn't turn out to be true for her- hopefully she gets JJ & TL on the horn and begs them to be part of the next album, with no other producers involved. She tried workin' with others, to lackluster results. I mean, it's bad enough that she hasn't seen success in international territories in recent years, but with U.S. disappointments, too- once again, bring back Jam and Lewis! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bad Robot Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 It doesn't matter who Janet's producers are. She just needs to write some songs that actually have some MEANING. Any tart can sing another sex song. Bring back the spirit of Control/Rhythm Nation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jamesshot Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 Yet I have yet to hear the derogatory comments directed at Janet from people that Madonna gets with just ONE flop album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afrolito Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 It doesn't matter who Janet's producers are. She just needs to write some songs that actually have some MEANING. Any tart can sing another sex song. Bring back the spirit of Control/Rhythm Nation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dindi Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 Yet I have yet to hear the derogatory comments directed at Janet from people that Madonna gets with just ONE flop album. But that's just it though. The fact that she's flopped again and again has barely even made a blip. It's like it's not even worth discussing, which perhaps is just one more indication how much she's truly fallen off the radar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtzlplk Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 Yet I have yet to hear the derogatory comments directed at Janet from people that Madonna gets with just ONE flop album. yeah... the media always feast heavily in any single MADONNA flop... but others may have multiply flops but don't draw flak... anyway, somehow it's reflective of how big the artist is... the bigger you are, the more they will feast when you're down.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etips Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 I bought Janet's CD last week and am startled by how indifferent I am to it. I used to be a big fan of hers, but this CD is just deadpan and spiritless. With not a single song written or produced by Janet, it feels "assembled" and Britney-esque, in the sense of Janet simply playing the singer who is handed songs by the producer and told how to sing them. The album lacks the personality of her albums before. I think even 20 YO felt more like a Janet album than this one. The only song on here that I like is "Rock With You," and that's only because it has a middle to late 90s relaxed club aura (ala Gloria Estefan's "I'm Not Giving You Up" and Savage Garden's "I Want You") that reminds me of my senior year. If I were her, I wouldn't throw in the towel on the album yet. I'd get my lawyers and managers on the phone and see about having my contract with Island Records reassigned to its Interscope/A&M (get away from Mariah, and back to the vicinity of her old Control/Rhythm Nation catalogue) sister label. Then I'd work on re-releasing the album with about 50% of the original tracklisting axed, filling it with new material done by Jam & Lewis. Maybe retitle it as Discipline: Reloaded, and then go on a media assault with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest missy bi_tch Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 But that's just it though. The fact that she's flopped again and again has barely even made a blip. It's like it's not even worth discussing, which perhaps is just one more indication how much she's truly fallen off the radar. i once read sthg about popularity. Some artists will have people loving or hating them to death. They are those artists who are in the middle, people wouldn't care if they flop or succeed, janet probably belongs there now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctorjosh Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 I am truly shocked by another >60% drop for Janet this week. That's less than 325k after 5 weeks! I don't think even IDJ Records was expecting this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctorjosh Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 With Mariah still gaining in airplay, I'm assuming TMB is a definite No.1 this week. It disgusts me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtzlplk Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 *** impatiently waiting for downloads figures *** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horn Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 Total Sales After 5 Weeks: 316,809 * Based on HITS figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregVsMatt Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 I actually really like the Janet album, it's a shame it hasn't done better given it her best in 10 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrapple Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 Total Sales After 5 Weeks: 316,809 * Based on HITS figure. Based on the Global Tracking Chart, Discipline's worldwide sales total a whopping...... 443,000K copies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 bks at Pulse: BILLBOARD HOT DIGITAL SONGS - TOP 50 -- 1 CAREY*MARIAH TOUCH MY BODY 285544 999 921 286465 113 2 MADONNA FEAT. JUSTIN TIMBERLAK 4 MINUTES 217071 999 12523 229594 1 3 LEWIS*LEONA BLEEDING LOVE 186928 -15 219237 723989 2 4 LIL WAYNE FEAT. STATIC MAJOR LOLLIPOP 170769 19 142948 329431 4 5 SPARKS*JORDIN DUET WITH CHRIS NO AIR 137170 7 128745 972406 3 6 USHER FEAT. YOUNG JEEZY LOVE IN THIS CLUB 131926 -5 138414 788725 5 7 RAY J & YUNG BERG SEXY CAN I 113376 -7 121861 565260 74 8 ADKINS*TRACE YOU'RE GONNA MISS THIS 99509 430 18790 195481 8 9 ONEREPUBLIC STOP AND STARE 99393 6 93645 820170 9 10 NAIM*YAEL NEW SOUL 97759 7 91593 721949 -- 11 FALL OUT BOY BEAT IT 87653 999 0 87653 7 12 BAREILLES*SARA LOVE SONG 84800 -22 108749 2056422 11 13 FLO RIDA FEAT. T-PAIN LOW 78724 -6 83754 3478705 15 14 DANITY KANE DAMAGED 72712 13 64542 210500 12 15 CYRUS*MILEY SEE YOU AGAIN 71870 -3 73729 1136982 10 16 RIHANNA DON'T STOP THE MUSIC 66719 -22 85065 1587093 6 17 LIL MAMA FEAT. CHRIS BROWN & T SHAWTY GET LOOSE 59166 -48 114637 273329 13 18 FLO RIDA FEAT. TIMBALAND ELEVATOR 59099 -15 69473 432318 14 19 BROWN*CHRIS WITH YOU 58736 -10 65315 1380214 16 20 LUPE FIASCO FEAT. MATTHEW SANT SUPERSTAR 56584 -11 63338 781494 27 21 BEDINGFIELD*NATASHA POCKETFUL OF SUNSHINE 53577 51 35436 252516 19 22 JONAS BROTHERS WHEN YOU LOOK ME IN THE EYES 52693 7 49402 508111 17 23 WEBBIE*LIL' PHAT & LIL BOOSIE INDEPENDENT 49100 -10 54727 655945 33 24 PANIC AT THE DISCO NINE IN THE AFTERNOON 47705 39 34365 240931 -- 25 NELLY FEAT. FERGIE PARTY PEOPLE 46499 999 1202 47701 18 26 TIMBALAND FEAT. ONEREPUBLIC APOLOGIZE 45460 -16 54294 3325751 20 27 BUCKCHERRY SORRY 43056 -5 45369 1001149 -- 28 PLIES FEAT. NE-YO BUST IT BABY (PART 2) 39579 999 3215 42794 21 29 FLO RIDA ROLL 37918 -9 41740 79658 26 30 CAILLAT*COLBIE REALIZE 37190 5 35502 433649 25 31 SWIFT*TAYLOR OUR SONG 37073 4 35706 1272031 30 32 THREE DAYS GRACE NEVER TOO LATE 36875 5 35060 765200 23 33 LINKIN PARK SHADOW OF THE DAY 35665 -5 37377 959489 32 34 SWIFT*TAYLOR TEARDROPS ON MY GUITAR 34033 -2 34582 1628249 28 35 LIFEHOUSE WHATEVER IT TAKES 33660 -5 35390 388487 22 36 KINGSTON*SEAN TAKE YOU THERE 32810 -19 40323 1325729 37 37 MAYER*JOHN SAY 32755 6 30898 404731 24 38 UNDERWOOD*CARRIE ALL-AMERICAN GIRL 32731 -10 36351 376710 31 39 SPARKS*JORDIN TATTOO 32428 -6 34589 1477762 51 40 MAROON 5 WON'T GO HOME WITHOUT YOU 31414 26 24959 558308 36 41 SOULJA BOY TELL'EM FEAT. ARAB YAHHH! 30136 -4 31286 330811 35 42 KEYS*ALICIA NO ONE 29144 -11 32569 2545660 41 43 RICK ROSS FEAT. T-PAIN BOSS 28863 6 27249 149378 29 44 SNOOP DOGG SENSUAL SEDUCTION 28493 -19 35126 689477 34 45 JANET FEEDBACK 27930 -15 32771 516906 47 46 CHERISH FEAT. YUNG JOC KILLA 27289 5 25924 168634 39 47 SOULJA BOY TELL'EM CRANK THAT (SOULJA BOY) 26887 -7 28811 3518284 38 48 FINGER ELEVEN PARALYZER 26596 -8 28973 2009886 -- 49 DISTURBED INSIDE THE FIRE 25735 999 0 25735 40 50 WYCLEF JEAN FEAT. AKON*LIL WA SWEETEST GIRL (DOLLAR BILL) 24997 -13 28741 1352141 A FEW BONUSES: 172 59 DAY26 GOT ME GOING 22019 147 8903 47360 58 61 SPEARS*BRITNEY BREAK THE ICE 21855 -3 22472 148432 -- 77 DEATH CAB FOR CUTIE I WILL POSSESS YOUR HEART 19361 240 5702 25063 122 78 PLAIN WHITE T'S OUR TIME NOW 19267 63 11786 345945 -- 84 KLANG*DONNIE FEAT. P. DIDDY TAKE YOU THERE 18459 999 1419 19878 -- 100 CORNELL*CHRIS BILLIE JEAN 14861 999 224 27698 128 103 JACKSON*MICHAEL BILLIE JEAN 14022 25 11195 562880 -- 146 METRO STATION SHAKE IT 10419 29 8071 53492 -- 163 QUEEN WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS 9818 91 5147 673064 -- 183 ESTELLE AMERICAN BOY 9048 41 6413 43589 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightshade Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 Hmmm...think she'll be #4 or #5 on the Hot 100? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 (edited) Madonna will be #4 or #5 on HOT100. Edited April 2, 2008 by george harrison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iasonas Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 (edited) OMG!!! TOP2(or 3?? Please someone to help to combine the airplay) oh the HOT100!!!!BEHIND MARIAH!!!!!!!! Madonna has around 247.000 points for the hot100 right??? Edited April 2, 2008 by Jasonakos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtzlplk Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 MADONNA will be #2 or #3.. YES!!! and wow, my initial 220k PREDIX is so spot on... as well as my TOP 5... WOOHOO... #1 Touch My Body #2 4 Minutes #3 Love In This Club #4 Bleeding Love #5 Sexy Can I it's a very close call between USHER and MADONNA this week... MARIAH - 117M BDS +286K = 403M USHER - 122M BDS +131K = 253M MADONNA - 30M BDS + 217K = 247M USHER, has further streaming advantage than MADONNA... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iasonas Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 so Madonna no2 on hot100??!!! Right??! Madonna has 247.000 points! and Usher must be around 240.000!!! Usher will pass Leona but Madonna passed both of them!!!! The next target: MARIAH! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Qbanito21 Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 is that enough to pass leona on the hot 100 for #2? seems close to me and leona leads in airplay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tir69 Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 Preliminary charts : madonna at 3 http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/arti....t_id=1003784083 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iasonas Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 is that enough to pass leona on the hot 100 for #2? seems close to me and leona leads in airplay Yes! It's more than enough to pass her!! Leona will be at no4 on the hot100 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtzlplk Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 MADONNA will be #2 or #3.. YES!!! and wow, my initial 220k PREDIX is so spot on... as well as my TOP 5... WOOHOO... #1 Touch My Body #2 4 Minutes #3 Love In This Club #4 Bleeding Love #5 Sexy Can I it's a very close call between USHER and MADONNA this week... MARIAH - 117M BDS +286K = 403M USHER - 122M BDS +131K = 253M MADONNA - 30M BDS + 217K = 247M USHER, has further streaming advantage than MADONNA... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtzlplk Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 Preliminary charts : madonna at 3 http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/arti....t_id=1003784083 acceptable...even though the site won't show Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tir69 Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 From Pulse - BKS I'm going to keep posting this because the delibating seems to be making it get overlooked -- but we have Mariah and Madonna's official Hot 100 positions very early today: HOT 100 No. 1 (from 15) - Mariah No. 3 (from 68) - Madonna CONGRATULATIONS TO BOTH... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtzlplk Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 FROM BILLBOARD Mariah, Madonna Make Billboard Chart History Two leading ladies, Mariah Carey and Madonna, leapfrog over Elvis Presley in the Billboard charts record book this week. As expected, Mariah Carey moves past Elvis Presley and into sole possession of second place for most No. 1s in the rock era, as "Touch My Body" soars 15-1 on the Billboard Hot 100 to become her 18th chart-topper. With her album "E=MC2" yet to hit retail, Carey might equal the Beatles' record of 20 No. 1s before her set runs its course. "Body's" blast to No. 1 is fueled by a record-setting debut week digital tally of 286,000 downloads. That sum, good enough for the No. 1 slot on Hot Digital Songs, surpasses the 277,000 downloads labelmate Rihanna opened with in the June 9, 2007, issue with her summer smash "Umbrella." Presley will also be nudged from his standing as the artist with the most top 10s in the rock era, as Madonna surpasses him with her 37th top 10, "4 Minutes." The track, which features Justin Timberlake, clocks a 68-3 jump on this morning's preliminary chart. Previous to the establishment of the Billboard Hot 100 in 1958, the industry standard chart was the Best Sellers in Stores tally, where Presley scored his first 12 top 10s. Like Carey's "Touch," Madonna's Hot 100 jump is spurred by stupendous download sales. "4 Minutes" shifts 217,000 in its first week of wide release (it had been available as a Verizon exclusive) to enter Hot Digital Songs at No. 2. This is the first time since Nielsen SoundScan began tracking digital sales in 2003 that two titles debut simultaneously on Hot Digital Songs with more than 200,000 downloads each. The week also marks the best single-week digital tally in either artist's career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iasonas Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 MADONNA will be #2 or #3.. YES!!! and wow, my initial 220k PREDIX is so spot on... as well as my TOP 5... WOOHOO... #1 Touch My Body #2 4 Minutes #3 Love In This Club #4 Bleeding Love #5 Sexy Can I it's a very close call between USHER and MADONNA this week... MARIAH - 117M BDS +286K = 403M USHER - 122M BDS +131K = 253M MADONNA - 30M BDS + 217K = 247M USHER, has further streaming advantage than MADONNA... F*ck! I forgot the streaming!!!! The good thing is that Usher's sales will fall more gradually.. SO Mariah is the only problem... So close to no1:( And the other big question, Is this Madonna's sales peak???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest flotando Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 #3 as Britney's Gimme More, as I predicted! I prefer a peak at #3 better than a #2 and after Mariah. Let's wait to see what happens in the next weeks. Definitely, though, Warner spoiled a for sure #1 in Billboard charts. They prefer sell units, as somebody mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ercos Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 MADONNA will be #2 or #3.. YES!!! and wow, my initial 220k PREDIX is so spot on... as well as my TOP 5... WOOHOO... #1 Touch My Body #2 4 Minutes #3 Love In This Club #4 Bleeding Love #5 Sexy Can I it's a very close call between USHER and MADONNA this week... MARIAH - 117M BDS +286K = 403M USHER - 122M BDS +131K = 253M MADONNA - 30M BDS + 217K = 247M USHER, has further streaming advantage than MADONNA... ________________________ hats off to you mtzlplk. you were right, am off by two spots and i ddint anticipate the huge downloads. well, its official according to Billboard - 4 Minutes jumps from #68 to #3 on its Second Week!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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