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  1. material_boy

    Is Girlie Show her best ever?

    Was drinking (way too much) wine and watching a random YouTube video where someone visited Australia said "G'day" and so obviously I recalled ICONIC moment. Your faves could never. Sorry to step on this flop thread, but I blame the wine. Can we appreciate the Girlie Show -- the first step in the Queen's long comeback from "Erotica"/"Sex" backlash -- and her greatest tour ever, musically speaking? The band. The voice. The PERCUSSION. The Omar. (I swear to god that for YEARS, I used to say "Give me some kick, baby" whenever I wanted someone to take something to the next level -- as if that meant ANYTHING to anyone who's not a Madonna fan. God, I'm just such a queen sometimes 🤣) God, if any tour demanded a live album, it was this one.
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    Add one song: VT setlist

    I'm bored. We're getting no news about the album, there're no leaks, and I'm dying for some new Madonna -- So let's play a game: It's 1985. Madonna is a newly-minted superstar with two hit albums -- the second of which is a worldwide smash -- and more than a half dozen hit singles getting wall-to-wall play on radio and MTV. She's finishing rehearsals for her first-ever concert tour and she thinks the setlist needs ONE more song to round out the show. What song do you add? And where does it go? Here's the actual VT setlist for anyone who needs a quick reminder: Dress You Up Holiday Into the Groove Everybody Angel Gambler Borderline Lucky Star Crazy for You Over and Over Burning Up Like a Virgin Material Girl
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    Troye Sivan

    LOVING IT
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    Is Girlie Show her best ever?

    A thousand times YES to this. I'd love for her to strip back her next tour to the bare essentials. A good band, a good setlist, an attitude and a spotlight is all she needs to command an entire stadium full of people. Who's that Girl Tour 2.0 -- that's my dream.
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    Troye Sivan

    I'm a firm believer in "death of the author," and I think it applies to all art -- not just literature. Authorial intent just doesn't have to anything to do with interpretation. I'm not into twinks, but this is a ridiculous and needlessly mean-spirited comment.
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    Performance vs Performance

    Why’s it So Hard (TGS) v Borderline (VT)
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    Troye Sivan

    I always thought Troye was OK -- maybe a bit overrated by the YouTube tweens. "Wild" came along and I thought "OK, he's pretty good. But the stuff he's released from this upcoming album is flat-out brilliant. "My My My" was very good, "The Good Side" was fantastic, and now "Bloom." I haven't been this excited for an album ages. August can't come soon enough.
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    Troye Sivan

    Troye said that it's about giving up your anal V-card for someone special. He even launched the song with the hashtag #bopsaboutbottoming. But everyone's interpretation is valid, of course.
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    Add one song: VT setlist

    My pick: Dress You Up Holiday Into the Groove Everybody Angel Gambler Borderline Think of Me Lucky Star Crazy for You Over and Over Burning Up Like a Virgin Material Girl God, I love "Think of Me." It has smash hit written all over it, tbh. Could have been a megahit just like "Borderline" and "Lucky Star" if she didn't have "LAV" already on tap and just SCREAMED for a live performance.
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    Performance vs Performance

    Frozen (DWT) vs. The Look of Love (WTG)
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    Troye Sivan

    I'm kind of stunned no one's posted this yet: Love this song. Love that there's a pop song about bottoming that's gonna smash. Love the looks in this video. Love the "Vogue" homage: I thought this guy was OK early on, and his stuff got pretty good around "Wild," but this new song and video are spectacular. I'm becoming a super fan.
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    For all of you who saw Madonna live, close up...

    Saw her up close in both RIT (front and center stage -- amazing tickets) and RHT (right in front of the cross stage, so she was directly in front of me during the runway performances). Can barely even remember RIT it was so incredible. I was jumping up and down and screaming and just acting a damn fool cuz she was right there! and must have caught her attention cuz QUEEN POINTED RIGHT AT ME DURING "NOBODY KNOWS ME" AND I DAMN NEAR FAINTED. For real, though, I think I almost fainted. I don't really remember what happened next. I know that I stopped jumping and just stood there, looking at her as she looked at me. My jaw must have dropped or something. Everything afterwards is kind of fuzzy (seriously, I think I may have been on the verge of fainting) and next thing I remember is her conveyer belting over to the side platform that raised up. Remains the greatest Madonna concert-going experience of my life. Only thing that could ever top is if I get to touch her hand. Remember thinking how FABULOUS she looked in RHT -- especially during the rockabilly set. She was so small and gorgeous up close. Loved her makeup on that tour.
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    MDNA or Rebel Heart Tour?

    This is the greatest response +10000 🤣
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    Is MDNA tour her best ever?

    Right. Visual production is only half the show M is creating. Music production is the other half, and MDNA is frankly terrible in this regard.
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    Is MDNA tour her best ever?

    Definitely not. Not even close, really. The visual components of the show were admittedly stunning, but the musical components were perhaps her all-time worst. The band and music production are just so bad that they really can't even be compared to M's 1987-2001 shows. Antunes is bush league and he's holding her back in a bad, bad way. More subjectively, I think the setlist was a mess. But if we're looking strictly at the artistic components of the show, then really it's the band and music director that need to be discussed.
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    New Album Means New Tour

    I would literally faint if she got the Girlie Show band back together. Or scream. Or scream then faint. Can you just imagine these guys jamming out to her 94-2018 works? Or letting them have a go at the classics she skipped in '93? God, I'm creaming myself just at the thought. The interludes used to be brilliant. Integrating video into the live show while having it connect to the surrounding set pieces and the larger themes of the show at large turned the DWT into a multimedia experience. It was revolutionary in its time. Now, everyone uses video and M has divorced these videos from the larger show. Look at "Paradise." It serves as a bridge from the "Drowned World" reprise she sang at the end of "Ray of Light" to the opening of "Frozen." It introduces the aesthetic. The live performance from the dancers alongside the video is simply stunning. The anime "WIFLFAG (remix)" is a coda to the whole thing, playing off the dark and violent overtones of both the geisha section and the whole show. Look at "Hollywood" -- a song about rejecting commercialism comes right right after "Material Girl" in the most overtly anti-commercial era of her career. It quickly introduces the circus/cabaret, spotlighting the dancers and their unique strengths with different costumes, styles, and music. "Bedtime Story" is a symbol of the afterlife after she was executed in "Lament." In the first Confessions interlude, the dancers literally make their own confessions to the audience. These things connected to the surrounding sets and larger themes of the show. We called them "interludes" but they were really interludes -- they were parts of the show itself. But these things start breaking down by S&S. "DAD" 2008 was a boxing-themed remix stuffed between pimp "Vogue" and throwback "ITG." "Rain" 2008 was a royalties handout to the Eurythmics (maybe her friend Annie was tight on cash and too proud to ask for a loan). It seemed shoe-horned in just so she could used rain in the intro to "DWRY" ... which is the start of the Latin/Gypsy section? And things keep getting worse right up till we get to "Messiah" and "SEX," the latter of which was just some humping on beds while "Erotica" played in the background and serves as our lead-in to ... the "revolution of love" monologue and matador-themed "LFL?" The concept of a "revolution of love" was a cornerstone of M's work for years -- you can see the seeds of it going all the way back to #secretproject in 2013. And here we are in RHT -- the culmination of this revolution in her artwork -- and we get Disney Channel "Erotica" as the lead in? I've looked at this over and over and over again and I just don't see any message or point being made here. It just seems completely phoned in. These are literally interludes -- the show is effectively stopping for 3-5 minutes so she can take a pee and change her clothes. They have no purpose in the show other than that. "Illuminati" was good from a performance standpoint, I'll give you that. But it still fails to tie back into its surrounding performances or the show's themes at large. And, really, one good performance in 10 years isn't enough to justify their continued existence. Get rid of the interludes and try something different. Trying new things is part of what makes Madonna Madonna.
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    New Album Means New Tour

    I bet some intern was told to block of May 24, 2019 in the schedule for M and accidentally put it down for this year, triggering some kind of automatic alert. Poor thing probably lost his job 🤣
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    New Album Means New Tour

    I just want three things from the new tour: 90s hits -- I've been fucking waiting for "I'll Remember" and "TUTBMP" since 2001. "TAB" and "You'll See" need real, fully planned out performances -- not just random sub-ins when she's bored with the setlist. And it's waaay past time for "Secret" and "Rain" and "Fever" to make it back in to a setlist. She has so many hits from this decade that are completely ignored. It's fucking criminal. No interludes -- They've gotten lazy and translate horribly to home video. "Best Friend?" "Messiah?" "Sex?" "Here Comes the (Rain) Again?" "RADIO DIAL MEDLEY?" What garbage. I'd honestly prefer she just hire a competent band and let them jam out on an instrumental for a few minutes, the way they used to. The extended instrumental outro on "PDP" in BAT or the "Singin' in the Rain" instrumental on TGS are way more interesting both musically and visually. New band and music director -- Seriously, the karaoke band has got to go. They're terrible. They're the worst she's ever worked with and they're holding her back. Everything else I don't care about. I'll take a new mix of "Candy Shop." I'll take a scaled back tour schedule. I'll take big venues or small ones. Just give me these.
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    Prince

    Perfection. He'll always be my #2 behind M.
  20. material_boy

    Performance vs Performance

    KIT (BA) vs Erotica (CT)
  21. material_boy

    Justin Timberlake thread

    Agree that pop is feeling very stale right now. There were a lot of exciting things happening this decade, with lots of genres and sounds being blended into pop music, from blues and soul (Adele's "21") to folk (Mumford and Sons) to dubstep and EDM (Srillex, Diplo). It wasn't like there was one trend waxed while another waned -- it was like there were six trendy things happening at the same time all the time for years. Top 40 radio was really exciting to listen to for the first time since the 90s. But everything now just sounds like watered down versions of what we were getting five years ago. (If Ed fucking Sheeran comes on in the car again, I'm going to drive into oncoming traffic.) This is the first time in a long time that there is nothing on the radio that's exciting and new. There's a big opening right now for someone to come out with something totally different and light the world on fire.
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    Justin Timberlake thread

    I did not watch, but I just read that he made a joke about Nipplegate during his performance? (Apparently played the song right up the lyric where he ripped off Janet's clothes and then yelled "Stop!" and smiled?) What a fucking ass. I do not understand how he managed to get invited back to do this show, and I do not understand how they managed to announce this during the #metoo movement and not get railroaded out of fucking town. Seriously, Madonna gets more shit for kissing Drake that this guy gets for ripping off Janet's clothes and ending her fucking career. Unbelievable.
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    rate the tours

    Yes, exactly. In that sense, it was a good show but a terrible concert. I don't know anyone who liked MDNAT who is not a forum-chatting diehard M loon, and it's just the opposite for RHT. The few casual fans I know who saw RHT said basically said "I didn't want to go because last tour was a trainwreck / I heard terrible things about the last tour, but this show was amazing. I want to go again."
  24. South America didn’t have the market that it does today. None of the big tours of the 80s went there. It was the 90s and, especially, the 00s that saw Argentina and Brazil (and the whole continent, really) grow into a major music market. Same goes for South Korea — an absolutely _enormous_ market today that largely didn’t exist in the 80s. But you’re right that she could have done dozens more shows in North America and Europe. Michael Jackson and George Michael were both doing 40-60 shows in North America and Europe at the this time. And that’s to say nothing of Japan and Australia.
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